For those of us who have collected film prints over the past decade or so, where they should go before we shuffle off this mortal coil is something to think about. There must be some independent film archive somewhere they could be entrusted to?
Munich seems a curious place to do a sneak preview.
The 35mm print I saw of AOTC was pretty washed out in places. It looked like a bad video to film transfer especially around the Count Dooku bike chase. Perhaps there were some bugs to be worked out making acceptable prints from the digital source.
Did anyone see the cut down IMAX version back then?
Wasn’t it mentioned a while back that George deliberately degraded the quality of the 35mm prints to make the digital presentation look superior?
I’ve suspected it, but no way to prove it. I saw more than one 35mm ROTS print and there were no visual issues.
Has this been seen before?
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The 35mm print I saw of AOTC was pretty washed out in places. It looked like a bad video to film transfer especially around the Count Dooku bike chase. Perhaps there were some bugs to be worked out making acceptable prints from the digital source.
Did anyone see the cut down IMAX version back then?
Well I wasn’t fooled by fake Luke not even for a second, but didn’t know how he was doing what he was doing until revealed. Not only the footprints, but the haircut, hair color and lightsaber totally gave it away for me. That took tension away, which made it all a bit disappointing.
What tension? That he wouldn’t die? Wouldn’t the tension of that be cut anyway when the walkers don’t leave a scratch?
Not to mention, of course, that he does die.
Presumably tension would remain in the showdown with Kylo.
But I imagine most people were fooled, as I was, although confused about Luke’s different look.
I wasn’t fooled at all, but I was on the edge of my seat wondering what is Luke doing? and what is going to happen?.
The movie isn’t trying to fool anyone. All the evidence that something is up with Luke is on the screen. You either notice it or not. All I caught on to first time was the hair color.
Exactly. (The only person being “fooled” is Kylo, even though the truth is right in front of him and he’s to angry to see it.) Whether you notice or not doesn’t impact the scene’s power at all, which is basically my point.
It does change the surprise factor though. I was pretty surprised when I figured it out. I wouldn’t have liked that to have been taken away.
Well I wasn’t fooled by fake Luke not even for a second, but didn’t know how he was doing what he was doing until revealed. Not only the footprints, but the haircut, hair color and lightsaber totally gave it away for me. That took tension away, which made it all a bit disappointing.
What tension? That he wouldn’t die? Wouldn’t the tension of that be cut anyway when the walkers don’t leave a scratch?
Not to mention, of course, that he does die.
Presumably tension would remain in the showdown with Kylo.
But I imagine most people were fooled, as I was, although confused about Luke’s different look.
I wasn’t fooled at all, but I was on the edge of my seat wondering what is Luke doing? and what is going to happen?.
The movie isn’t trying to fool anyone. All the evidence that something is up with Luke is on the screen. You either notice it or not. All I caught on to first time was the hair color.
Exactly. (The only person being “fooled” is Kylo, even though the truth is right in front of him and he’s to angry to see it.) Whether you notice or not doesn’t impact the scene’s power at all, which is basically my point.
Yes! The Rebels too, because presumably most of them had never seen Luke before. Leia too, probably, because that was the last Luke she saw and last time she saw Rey, Rey was on her way to give Luke the blue lightsaber.
Yes, though I don’t know if I’d really call that fooling. Kylo should’ve known better, the Rebels weren’t fooled, they were inspired. Whether Leia knew something was up is open to interpretation (my guess is she ultimately knew exactly what was going on).
Yeah, what I meant is that they didn’t know how Luke was supposed to look like. So they believed in what they were seeing. Leia looked like she knew what was going on, yes, but it’s not as if she knew how Luke actually looked like or something. She might as well have been tricked by good old farm boy.
I’m sure they all had seen images of Luke before. He’s a legend you know! The important detail is he looks like he does in the flashback, which fits the mental image Leia and everyone else who hasn’t seen him in years(?) had.
Trumpy will go down to Florida to golf no matter what happens.
How did they cheat with the dice? I don’t have my copy of The Force Can and Cannots handy…
They could be touched and held.
They still evaporated not long after Luke did. Luke also touched/kissed his sister, on the forehead for a change. Show me where it’s carved in stone what you can’t do with the Force and I’ll read the tablets.
They’re just sucking up to their most loyal viewer. 😉
I didn’t even realize Luke wasn’t there until we saw him on Ach-To in my first viewing. You’re able to be fooled by that scene because you’re invested in his character in that moment. Very nicely done.
I guess. I’d agree completely if they hadn’t cheated with the dice.
How did they cheat with the dice? I don’t have my copy of The Force Can and Cannots handy…
Well I wasn’t fooled by fake Luke not even for a second, but didn’t know how he was doing what he was doing until revealed. Not only the footprints, but the haircut, hair color and lightsaber totally gave it away for me. That took tension away, which made it all a bit disappointing.
What tension? That he wouldn’t die? Wouldn’t the tension of that be cut anyway when the walkers don’t leave a scratch?
Not to mention, of course, that he does die.
Presumably tension would remain in the showdown with Kylo.
But I imagine most people were fooled, as I was, although confused about Luke’s different look.
I wasn’t fooled at all, but I was on the edge of my seat wondering what is Luke doing? and what is going to happen?.
The movie isn’t trying to fool anyone. All the evidence that something is up with Luke is on the screen. You either notice it or not. All I caught on to first time was the hair color.
There was an opening, just not a very big one at first. Looked like it may have caved in over the years the base was abandoned.
In Star Wars and a whole lot of other movies you’re just going to have to accept that things happen at the right time. It’s fiction, not real life.
Arguably you can only pin the bomber crews on Poe. 😉
I didn’t even realize Luke wasn’t there until we saw him on Ach-To in my first viewing. You’re able to be fooled by that scene because you’re invested in his character in that moment. Very nicely done.
Damn straight!
The shots don’t exactly call attention to themselves. It’s almost an easter egg.
Which is why if it is actually integral to someone’s story then it should have actually been featured more prominently than a small easter egg. I just feel it causes unnecessary confusion. But that’s just me.
It’s there to be noticed if you’re looking in the right spot. (And they were shown twice in the drawer.) I didn’t even catch Luke wasn’t leaving footprints in the salt until the second viewing.
So, like Babylon 5 then? 😉
One can easily buy the original broadcast version TNG episodes though.
The shots don’t exactly call attention to themselves. It’s almost an easter egg.
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Actors do sometimes fatten up to play a part.
Is that Vader’s summer home on Mustafar?
Arguably, the Han Solo movie will have bigger name recognition with causal and non fans than Rogue One did. Everybody knows Han and Chewie.
But also Harrison Ford is Han Solo to everyone, so I’m not sure how much the public is interested to see a young Solo movie. Even I couldn’t care less about the film but will see it because Star Wars. Hopefully it would be so good that I can see pass the new faces.
He’s also Indiana Jones, but four other actors have played younger or older versions of Indy.
And other than River Phoenix I couldn’t come up with one or even conjure an image in my mind of another person playing Indy.
And River was in the same film as Harrison!
Really? I’m the only one who remembers Sean Patrick Flannery? He could very well play middle aged Indy unless they’re already measuring Alden Ehrenreich for a leather jacket.
Not really excited about Indiana Jones and the Curse Of The Broken Hip though.
Arguably, the Han Solo movie will have bigger name recognition with causal and non fans than Rogue One did. Everybody knows Han and Chewie.
But also Harrison Ford is Han Solo to everyone, so I’m not sure how much the public is interested to see a young Solo movie. Even I couldn’t care less about the film but will see it because Star Wars. Hopefully it would be so good that I can see pass the new faces.
He’s also Indiana Jones, but four other actors have played younger or older versions of Indy.
And no-one cared about them.
Lucas recut all of the Young Indy series and consigned Really Old Indy to oblivion as well.
Forgot that little detail. (Yet I remember Creepy Tiny Purple Concept Art Yoda that was in early press runs.) Given the comics were done without the advantage of having seen the films that may have been an abandoned script idea.
I also seem to recall Vader hearing Luke’s call to Ben for help before he requests his shuttle.Yes, that’s right! Wow, I had that original version (with purple Yoda). Wish I hadn’t given it up…
I have scans of those specific pages if you’re feeling nostalgic.
Forgot that little detail. (Yet I remember Creepy Tiny Purple Concept Art Yoda that was in early press runs.) Given the comics were done without the advantage of having seen the films that may have been an abandoned script idea.
I also seem to recall Vader hearing Luke’s call to Ben for help before he requests his shuttle.
All this Yoda calling lighting justification talk sounds to me like mental gymnastics 101. Yoda somehow via the force either creating, influencing, directing, etc. the lightning in TLJ just doesn’t sit right with me whatever the reasoning. Pre-ST force ghosts could not affect the physical world. Suddenly in the ST they can directly influence the force back in the real world.
Sorry but I don’t buy it anymore than I bought the ugly Yoda puppet. I also didn’t buy “crazy yoda” as he wasn’t crazy or unhinged in the OT, just a little eccentric and put on a crazy act to either test Luke in TESB or make himself seem harmless while checking out who this stranger was that just crash landed in his backyard.
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Yoda was joking around even when he was dying in ROTJ. He always had a jovial side. Something the PT completely got rid of with grumpy frowning Yoda. TLJ Yoda was the same Yoda we see in the OT.
And OT Force ghosts could interact physically with the real world, so why can’t they also use the force? Or is it just because it’s been introduced in the ST that’s the problem?
I don’t recall any physical interaction in the OT (apart from Obi Wan’s ludicrous ‘sitting on log’ scene which doesn’t really count IMO). The issue is the fact that ghost-Obi Wan made it plain he could not assist Luke in fighting Vader. This means either a) force-ghosts can’t interact or b) force-ghosts are jerks.
The problem with Yoda’s lightning powers is that it opens a can of worms where none needed to be. If RJ just went with what the OT had more or less established, we wouldn’t have to start inventing ways to make it all fit. Yoda could’ve just dispensed great advice - which is what FGs do - and Luke could’ve burned the tree down. It’s not a huge deal, but it does make one start to wonder why these ghostly guys didn’t intervene earlier. Why is it all hands on deck for a tree-burning but no help during the ‘Palpatine blasts Luke’ moment in ROTJ (for example)?
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Nobody is inventing anything, all the visual information is in the darn movie! Stormy weather plus island dripping in Force energy means Yoda could fry Porgs if he wanted to.
Sorry, I’m not sure which ‘darn movie’ you’re referring to. Is your ROTJ photo evidence of physical interaction? I’d say no. While the notion of the ghosts appearing to sit on logs and /or Ewok fences suggests an appearance of interaction in a vague sense (as opposed to just floating like Casper) it by no means suggests that old Anakin might reach over to Luke and adjust his tie. The inference in the OT is one of non-physical intervention - sagely advice, a few choruses of ‘trust your feelings’ and so forth. Once we go down the dark path of suggesting ghosts with physical attributes, we have to wonder why they don’t just show up willy nilly and throw random crockery at Snoke, or cover Kylo’s eyes peekaboo-style while he’s duelling Rey. I just think it would have been better to preserve the ghosts as they were and expand the lore in other ways.
The most recent movie.
Worth considering we’ve never seen a Force ghost appear in an artificial place like the Death Star or Cloud City, only in a natural setting. Ben probably can’t appear and interfere with the Bespin duel if he wanted to.
Manipulating the energies in an approaching storm and throwing crockery are two wholly different things.
Why Ben didn’t just appear in the Wampa cave and yell Boo! we may never know. 😛