BmB said:
Whiners said:
You know, I'm sick of people saying this crap about contradictions. Okay, I will explain every contradiction I've heard about, and why it's not contradicting, and if there are any I left out, then go ahead and tell me what I did leave out and I will explain that.
Obi-Wan saying that he had two pupils, Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader: He said this in order to make the tale sound more dramatic to Luke and the audience, claiming that Darth Vader was a different pupil of his, showing that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker knew each other.
Obi-Wan not telling Luke his father was Vader: Okay, ever since the prequel trilogy, many mentally retarded people have been asking this for some odd reason. It was a fucking secret, they're not going to change that just because the prequel trilogy came out and not let Luke know his father was Vader.
Obi-Wan claiming he was trained by Yoda and not Qui-Gon: Why exactly would Luke need to know about Qui-Gon? He's in the snow, he's trying his best to stay alive, why would Obi-Wan say "Run to Dagobah, and find master Yoda. Oh and Qui-Gon taught me as a padawan."
The new emporer scene: Have you ever thought maybe Vader asks "how is this possible" because he's just in disbelief that a Jedi gave birth when it's against the Jedi code? I'd be surprised too.
"Jedi Rocks" being a song about Jedi after the extermination: Jabba knows about Jedi. Remember when he tells Bib that he was fooled about a Jedi mind trick? Jabba's lair is very secretive, there are absolutely no imperials there. So why not sing a song about Jedi? Now if Jedi Rocks was played in a cantina or something, that'd be a different story. Also note that even if there were stormtroopers there, they probably don't even know what Jedi are either, nor that they are supposed to be extinct. That's something only people who lived during the prequel trilogy would know.
I think the first two points were pretty much clear ever since that famous scene in ESB. No contradictions there, no. No one even had ROTJ by the time this much was cleared up, let alone any prequels.
Now, the way Obi-Wan tells Luke to go to Dagobah, he adds that Yoda was his instructor as an aside, this is important to the subtext that you are missing here. He could have said anything from "The grand master of the Jedi" "the great Jedi Master" etc. But no, it was very specifically Yoda who instructed him. Not Yoda who instructed everyone, not Qui-Gon who instruced him, not anything else. How to construe it otherwise is a stretch and always will be. As you say he wouldn't have added it lest it was important. Likewise the relationship between Yoda nad Obi-Wan's ghost is shown to be more specific, that of a teacher and his pupil, rather than the pupil/principal relationship Yoda shares with most Jedi in the prequels. Heck, Anakin is allowed to be trained he's never even let anywhere near Yoda. And certainly wasn't instructed by him so that discounts the "trains everyone" bullshit.
Anyway going off on a limb here, but it is inconsistent.
When was giving birth against the Jedi Code? I remember that commiting to a relationship is but giving birth? Besides Padmé wasn't a bloody Jedi anyways and Anakin didn't give birth to anything. O_o
It's not really inconsistant, one of the first lines out of Obi-Wan's mouth in TPM is that "but Master Yoda said I should be mindful of the future..." the point is hit further by showing Yoda training children in AOTC, and even after that he was giving Kenobi guidance and instruction as seen in ROTS. I never thought you could read so much in a vague line in ESB. It all comes from watching 4-6 first and conceiving your mind what those vague statements meant for many years before the prequels.