Servii

It would have higher res textures and maybe more real-looking movements and expressions. This would apply to any older CGI model that got updated years later. I’m not sure why the question is about Yoda specifically. We can imagine what a 2022 CG model of Yoda would look like, but it’s not like we can describe the details of it, since it doesn’t exist.

So, I’m in the middle of watching the PT with director’s commentary, because it was recommended to me, and something that George Lucas said during Shmi’s death scene really struck me. George said that her death was inevitable, and that Anakin’s insistence on setting out to find her showed his inability to let go of his attachments and accept the inevitability of death.

But Shmi’s death wasn’t inevitable. Anakin had 10 years to come back and save her from slavery. Hell, if he’d come back even just a day earlier, he might have been able to rescue her. And even ignoring that, if you found out a family member had been kidnapped, and there was even the slightest chance that they were still alive and could be saved, of course you’d go get them. At the very least, you’d want the certainty of whether they’re dead or not, so that you can properly mourn for them.

If Shmi had died from natural causes, then the message would have made more sense. Her getting kidnapped and tortured to death obviously wasn’t an inevitable thing, and would have been easily avoidable.

“Master Yoda, I’ve had disturbing visions of a loved one dying. What should I do?”

“Just be happy lol”

The takeaway I’m getting from this thread is that George did intend for the Jedi Order to be flawed in the sense that they had a false sense of security and so failed to stop the Sith when they had the chance, but that George didn’t intend for the Jedi ideology itself to be flawed. That was an EU concept.

Cassian Andor’s real name is simply And-Or. His homeworld is a planet called Conjunction Junction. He has two brothers, For-Nor and But-So-Yet.

“Best one since Empire” has become practically a cliche line that people say nearly every time a new Star Wars thing comes out. But it has the implication that that also means “better than RotJ,” when really, I don’t think post-OT Lucasfilm has topped RotJ yet, at least as far as movies go. Andor is hard to compare to the movies, because it’s a different medium, but I get the impression from people that it’s possibly better than Rogue One because it’s Tony Gilroy’s singular vision that he didn’t have to compromise on during reshoots and rewrites.

Harmy said:

CarboniteSolo said:

Harmy said:

So, I just watched episode 10 and I’m effing ecstatic about how good this is. It’s definitely the best Disney Star Wars show but in my opinion, it’s best Star Wars anything since at least Return of the Jedi, with the possible exception of the Thrawn trilogy.

No love for Rogue One?

Not really. Of the Disney movies, I liked Solo the most. Rogue One didn’t really make me care about any of the characters. I suppose it might actually get better after watching Andor.

In hindsight, maybe the events of Rogue One would have been better as the series finale for Andor. I’m sure fan editors will get on that when Andor wraps up.

A I said:

I am new to this forum and I’m just wondering what the closest versions to the original theatrical releases are online?

If you’re looking to go as authentic as possible, then 4K77 and 4K83 are the ideal option. They’re downloadable on thestarwarstrilogy.com.

Luke was the Chosen One. Since while he didn’t physically kill any Sith, he was the catalyst for the destruction of the Sith Order.

It’s alright. I still prefer the theatrical cut, but the Special Edition is acceptable for casual viewing. Most of my issues with the changes are more minor stuff, nothing blatantly awful like the other two movies.

ESB Revisited kind of renders the Special Edition irrelevant for me, though. It’s just too good.

I should clarify, there’s nothing inherently wrong with a creative changing their mind about something. All stories evolve in the telling of them, and writers are dynamic people who’s vision of their own work is prone to shifting over time.

For example, when JRR Tolkien wrote The Hobbit, it was just a straightforward children’s fantasy adventure story, in his mind. It wasn’t meant to be the prelude to the epic fantasy of LOTR. The Ring was just a magic ring Bilbo found, not the Ring of the Dark Lord himself, who also happened to be the Necromancer of Mirkwood. Tolkien even went back and rewrote the ending to the Gollum chapter of The Hobbit, to make the Ring more consistent with its portrayal in LOTR. And even when Tolkien first started writing LOTR, it started out as merely a sequel to The Hobbit, before ballooning into something bigger and grander.

In a similar way, Star Wars started out as just “the adventures of Luke Skywalker” before ballooning into a drama about the Skywalker family.

The point is, it’s ok that George’s story ideas morphed over time. The problem is that George tends to forget or deny that the change ever occurred. He says “It was always meant to be this way,” when it clearly wasn’t. That’s what people take issue with. If he were more upfront about having changed his mind about things, then people wouldn’t be misled into thinking otherwise.

Honestly, I’d probably go back to the drawing board and start from scratch. If I was making the sequels 30 years after the OT, I might still use the ST’s main cast of characters, but beyond that, the plot would be completely different, utilizing different elements of the best EU stories.

My version of the Jedi would be more decentralized and scattered throughout the galaxy. They’d be like the Dunedain Rangers from LOTR, and would be more low-profile and not really in the public eye. Obi-Wan would be a general in the service of House Organa of Alderaan, but it wouldn’t be a normal thing for a Jedi to be a general.

I’d delete Qui-Gon entirely and merge all his character traits into Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan discovers a 19-year-old Anakin on Tatooine. I’d also incorporate Owen Lars into Anakin’s life on Tatooine.

The Clone Wars would start in Episode I, and would be multiple conflicts spread throughout the galaxy, and the clones would be attacking the Republic. Mandalorian clones, maybe.

I’d give Tarkin a role in the prequels, and show his rise to prominence.

And most importantly, I’d spend a lot more time fleshing out Anakin and Obi-Wan’s friendship and making their bond compelling. Also, Padme would live at the end, and Anakin would fall into a lava pit in a way that Obi-Wan can’t save him.

I saw a post somewhere recently that basically said “Why do people who hate Star Wars spend so much time focusing on it and talking about it? Why don’t they focus on something that they actually like and makes them happy?”

And that got me thinking. Why do I focus on Star Wars? I have a love-hate relationship with Star Wars as a franchise. The one thing I don’t feel about Star Wars is indifference. When Star Wars is at its best, it’s something that’s deeply entertaining and engaging for me. When Star Wars is at its worst, I can’t stand it. There’s no other franchise where I have both positive and negative reactions to it so strongly.

I still want Star Wars to be good. And there is still some good Star Wars stuff being made. But it’s like trying to admire the beautiful work done on a garden while the house is on fire, and the homeowners insist that everything is fine.

Star Wars is just something that I can’t fully let go of. It does bring me happiness, still.

That’s the problem with Grogu. Grogu not only isn’t putting his all into his training because he misses Din Djarin, but he would absolutely choose saving Din over saving 100 people in a burning building. That doesn’t make him a bad person, but it does make him a bad Jedi. So Luke makes him choose, Din or being a Jedi. Grogu chooses Din, and he respects his choice.

Grogu’s a baby, though. He’s not able yet to understand complex moral questions or to make life-changing decisions. When Luke puts that choice in front of Grogu, there’s no way Grogu at this point can fully comprehend what that choice means. Naturally, a baby is going to feel a strong bond to their parent, and lack the high ideals necessary to commit to being a Jedi. But that doesn’t mean Grogu wouldn’t have grown into a good Jedi.

Every quote I’ve read says Lucas didn’t pay any attention at all to the EU. He always viewed it as a separate universe from his. Which is why he ignored it in everything he made. The Prequels contradict the EU as does The Clone Wars. You’d have fans yelling at him because he changed Koriban to Moraband and it’s just like, well yeah, he didn’t give a shit. When did he “veto” anything?

Read this. There are some more examples that come to mind. George rejected the idea of bringing Vader back in Dark Empire, for example.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/2aa88b8f4c2689eb2eab84a640f2f813/71d222a46ea38c02-24/s1280x1920/3046f98bb19b4a789b42c5c3b55ca791294108ad.pnj

The Jedi, here, are telling him that he needs to prioritize his training over his attachments. And Lucas agrees with them.

As I said, that’s not the same thing. That’s not Obi-Wan and Yoda saying “You need to give up your attachments to the people in your life.” They’re just telling him he needs to focus on his training and avoid throwing himself recklessly and impulsively into situations due to those attachments. It’s a lesson about patience and forethought, not about non-attachment. That lines up with what George is saying in those quotes.

Contrast this with Luke and Ahsoka in BoBF, where there’s this implication that they want Din and Grogu to never see each other again for Grogu to become a Jedi.

Lucas never liked Mara Jade. Ever.

He didn’t veto her, though. He vetoed many other proposed EU ideas, but not that.

Edit: It’s also telling that, even in George’s own words, he says that Luke is acting out of a sense of compassion. In ESB, Luke isn’t saying stuff like “I need my friends,” or “I can’t live without them.” He says “They’re my friends. I’ve gotta help them.” He wants to help them because he has a good heart, not because of selfish possessiveness.

Lucas has not once altered his opinion on the Jedi. Back in the 1980s, 2000s, and nowadays, he still says the Jedi were right and still echoes their philosophy as if it were his own.

I’m not so sure that his perception has never changed. There was no mention in the OT of a need for Luke to leave behind his attachments. Obi-Wan cautions him to not let the Emperor use those attachments against him, but that’s not the same thing. Also, Lucas was able to give the greenlight on plot points in the EU, so he must have been aware of and greenlit the Luke-Mara Jade romance and marriage and the New Jedi Order doctrine changes. Of course, he later said he disagreed with the idea of Luke getting married, but that was later.

There are quite a few prequel fan edits being worked on and available under the Fan Edits page.

Digitally replace all of the Ewoks with copies of Freddy Fazbear.

NeverarGreat said:

lmao

G&G-Fan said:

https://david-talks-sw.tumblr.com/post/698315387285176320/so-why-is-mace-considered-to-be-unlikable-by-a

This is a good read, though I disagree with his notion that the Jedi being wandering adventurers would have made them less morally perfect. I get what he means, though. We look at the Jedi now from a wary adult perspective, but when I watched the prequels as a child, the Jedi were simply good guys and that was that. It’s when you get older that you start thinking, “Wait, why didn’t the Jedi do this or this?”

There’s still the problem of Jedi being taken in as babies. Because of that, their lives as Jedi are all they know. They have the option to leave the Order if they wish, but with a few exceptions, none of the Jedi have lives or key social connections outside of the Order. I’m not counting casual friends like Dexter Jettster. I mean connections that could take the place of a family or a community. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if padawans would stay in the Order simply out of fear of being on their own in the outside world.

This sort of ascetic lifestyle is something that a person really needs to consent to be a part of. I know the rationale, that if you wait too long before you start training, they’ll develop attachments to their family. But that doesn’t stop people in the real world from becoming monks on their own. And feeling a connection to your family is certainly not a bad thing, anyway.

Darth Malgus said:

There’s a lot I love about Lucas because when you read what he was intending for for the prequels it really is brilliant, but man he needed someone else helping him with his scripts.

Thank God it didn’t turn out the way George wanted to, because otherwise I would have hated the Prequels, and perhaps the entire Star Wars franchise. Lol. As I said multiple times, it’s ironically George bad writing that precisely saved the Prequels from being hated from me.

I wouldn’t say I’d hate the prequels, but I agree with you that the whole Jedi ethos that George intended in the prequels is inhuman in many ways. When Yoda tells Anakin “mourn them do not. Miss them do not,” George intended for Yoda to be right in saying that. But the prequels actually become more compelling if you interpret that scene as Yoda being wrong.

I’ve also made peace with the fact that, even if George’s sequel trilogy had happened, I wouldn’t have liked its characterization of Luke. The chance of the sequels giving us a married, pro-relationships Luke Skywalker was always slim to none.

MinchD36 said:

Servii said:

Yoda knows that Leia is in danger and tells Luke to complete his training and sacrifice her if necessary

Here’s the thing, though. Yoda doesn’t actually know if Leia’s in danger. The future is always in motion, and Luke’s vision of her and Han in danger could have easily been nothing more than a hypothetical vision of a possible future.

But yes, they definitely didn’t plan in any concrete way for Leia to be the other. Maybe it was an option they were considering at that point, but George hadn’t decided yet. I heard a rumor once that they were considering having Wedge turn out to be the other, but that always seemed like a stretch.

Leia being Luke sister was definitely a Retcon
it wasnt planned as Vader being Luke real father Luke Real Sister was going to play an important role in the Lucas first version of the Sequels Lucas envisioned Star Wars as a series of 9 or 12 movies.

Yes, we know that.

Yoda knows that Leia is in danger and tells Luke to complete his training and sacrifice her if necessary

Here’s the thing, though. Yoda doesn’t actually know if Leia’s in danger. The future is always in motion, and Luke’s vision of her and Han in danger could have easily been nothing more than a hypothetical vision of a possible future.

But yes, they definitely didn’t plan in any concrete way for Leia to be the other. Maybe it was an option they were considering at that point, but George hadn’t decided yet. I heard a rumor once that they were considering having Wedge turn out to be the other, but that always seemed like a stretch.