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#436655
Topic
THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
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I was hoping someone here would pick up this project again!  I have the Blacksvn disc, and it's better than having a videotape but it could indeed really use improving on.  A well-done laserdisc capture, sweetened up and converted to 16:9 would be a real treat...I'm really glad you've got the LD and the capping ability to get it started, SilverWook.

I caught a Portland screening of THX-1138 a few years before the director's cut came out.  The print was in really bad shape, but man was it great to see it in a theater!  I had intended to see the director's cut in the theater when it came out as well, but it was a 3-hour drive from Houston to Austin at the time, and I didn't make it.  Oh well.  Now I own it on DVD.

I actually like the director's cut on one level, but again...hate that the original has now been suppressed because of it.  If Lucas makes the original pre-digital THX-1138 available on Blu-ray, you'll never hear any more complaints from me about that film.  And if I may be allowed to dream, all 3 versions of the film (WB cut, restored Lucas cut, and director's cut) on Blu-ray, Blade Runner-style.

And while we're at it, Uncle George, how about the same for a little movie called Star Wars?

--SKot

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#436279
Topic
Return of the Jedi cut-scene
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Easterhay:

You haven't been here long enough to be rocking the boat so hard, so soon.

Right now you're the newbie who runs into a bar full of regulars and immediately starts shouting, getting confrontational, and picking fights before you've even taken time to sit down, have a drink, and meet people.

Take it down a notch or two, man.  Please.

--SKot

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#436267
Topic
Who Felt Return Of The Jedi Was A Letdown At The Time?
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Easterhay said:

So, I ask, who amongst the original fans (don't even bother posting a reply if you didn't see the films first time round - this is for the grown ups only!) genuinely thought Return Of The Jedi to be a let-down when first released?  And, if so, why?  Be honest now.

I do remember something that I was pretty disappointed about, from even before ROTJ came out...

That whole Death Star II thing.  Even back then, at the age of 12-13, it smacked of laziness and a cop-out.  I can vividly remember being let down, wondering why they couldn't come up with something more original than yet another Death Star.

There was another thing that bugged me then (and still does now) that no other straight male fanboy with a pulse is going to agree with me on, but here goes:

I didn't like the whole slave Leia in a bikini gimmick.  It seemed really cheap, pandering, and unnecessary.  Yeah, it was nice to look at, but at what price?  I lost a lot of respect for Lucas for putting that in there, because it stooped to a level that Star Wars didn't need to go to.

Other than that, I enjoyed ROTJ immensely.  Neither the Muppets nor the Ewoks really bothered me (though I always preferred the Cantina's denizens to Jabba's court, and Jawas over Ewoks), and the final scene with Luke and Vader still gives me chills.   Ford and Fisher's acting was definitely weaker on this film, and their characters are very watered-down, but Hamill really stepped up here and gave a command performance in the end.

--SKot

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#434221
Topic
Star Tours - preservation dvd (Released)
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FigmentJedi said:

It's not commercial. His videos are always made free. The permission angle is presumably just asking Castmembers if he could tape.

He does mention source audio and video, which tells me he got his hands on some original footage and not just cam shots.  If he's got a good quality version of the ride film, and/or the safety videos from the source, that's a treasure indeed.

--SKot

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#433742
Topic
What's missing from GOUT
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Darth Editous said:

 

A B C said:


Anyway, the facts for me are:

In 1983, they planned to develop what they called the "blue laser".


Who are "they"? What was this "blue laser" meant to be for? Why was George Lucas, who is a writer/producer/director, involved?

 

They blew up the Death Star?

Who's "they"?!

What the hell is an aluminum falcon?

--SKot

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#433493
Topic
.:. MoveAlong's - The Lost Scenes .:. Complete & Released
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Just wanted to mention again what may have been the shining moment for the Lost Scenes DVD, as a credit to MoveAlong's fine work:

At Celebration 4, I had a press pass and was able to use it to get backstage prior to a panel featuring actors from the cut scenes, including Garrick Hagon (Biggs) and Anthony Forrest (Fixer).  I just happened to have MoveAlong's DVD with me, and after some fast talking and a quick demonstration of the material's quality, I was able to get the DVD played on the big screen during the panel...to the pleasant surprise of the actors present.

I think this was the ultimate tribute to the fine job MoveAlong did on the entire presentation, menus and all.  If his work ends up being outdone by an official release next year, at least it had some time in the limelight.

--SKot

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#433419
Topic
Free "farewell" Screening of 1977 Star Wars collector's print (British I.B. Technicolor)
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hairy_hen said:

And the 70mm version never had 'close the blast doors'.  This was only dubbed in for the mono version, made after the first two mixes were already playing in theatres.  Aside from much greater dynamics and the addition of powerful bass, the only differences in content between the 70mm and the stereo mix are some explosive sounds added to the battle at the end.  Personally I prefer 'close the blast doors' to be absent, because it makes the stormtroopers appear to be incompetent buffoons, not to mention it is dubbed in a voice entirely different than the one that says to open the doors a few seconds later, which I find jarringly discordant.

Don't forget, the LP "The Story of Star Wars" (which many people owned) also had the "Close the blast doors/Open the blast doors" dialogue in it.  That whole LP is burned into my head permanently from the number of times I listened to it.  Of course I was puzzled when I later watched the movie on VHS and one of the lines was missing!

As far as the grappling hook miss goes: every single argument that it was in there was also given by people who swore on their mother's grave they saw the Toshi Station scenes in the film.  But they were proven absolutely wrong, since the scene was never even finished (no music, no sound effects, just the noisy on-set sound).  Yet I'll bet some of those people will *still* insist that they saw it.  A memory you really want to have is the hardest thing to let go of.

An alternate version of the film that was ever shown publicly, no matter how big or how small, would have turned up by now.  With literally TENS OF THOUSANDS (millions perhaps? there were over 20,000 people at C5 alone!) of fans microscopically picking apart every single iteration of the films every single day, no stone is left unturned for long.  That one-time TV airing of Star Wars you once recorded on VHS but lost years ago?  Hundreds of us have it (and no it does not have the grappling hook miss, or the Biggs scenes!).  That TV special on Star Wars that only aired in that one country?  It's been preserved on DVD by someone here, and many of us have seen it.  If it exists, it *will* find its way to the internet.

The only thing left nebulous was the 70mm versions of the films, which have been unavailable since they were shown back in the day.  But recently even that gap is closing since audio recordings from the theater have surfaced, as well as other findings that can finally start to document the previously unknown.  And it's looking very unlikely, based on the 70mm sound mix, that the miss scene could have ever been there even in that version of the film.

These claims are collective false memories, reinforced by the fact that others believe they saw the same thing.  It happens sometimes.

--SKot

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#432928
Topic
Anyone going to Celebration V?
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I was there, and tried to find Zion...but managed to miss him every time I stopped by the booth.  Nuts!  Sorry we didn't meet, Zion.

I did, however, run into none multiple times and wound up hanging out with him quite a bit on the last day...along with some old-school AOL SW group guys, some of whom I've known online for centuries.  Some great times there!  The discussions we had on the last night were a blast, punctuated occasionally by the passing-by of a major or minor celebrity.  At one point we flagged down Ben Burtt for a short chat when he passed by our table at the hotel.

Come C6 (you know it's gonna happen), we really should organize some sort of ot.com get-together.  Discussing the unaltered trilogy, film preservation and other such topics is fun online, but it's even more fun in person with fellow-minded fans.

--SKot

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#432655
Topic
Return of the Jedi cut-scene
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Here's yet another can of worms:

In the early ROTJ trailers, Luke's lightsaber was not green...it was blue.  It was colored green later.

The question is this: in this deleted scene, was Luke's saber blue like the early trailers, and did Lucasfilm color it in green recently, to match the final version?  We may never know.

I dislike revisionism, and even more so in cut scenes, since we've never had access to the original even on VHS!.  But the line between restoration and revision becomes very blurred at times, especially when you get into missing effects shots or unfinished scenes.  Best case scenario would be having both the untouched/unfinished scene as-is, and then a restored/finished version as well.

--SKot

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#429262
Topic
Preserving the...<em>cringe</em>...Star Wars Holiday Special (Released)
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Tasjo said:

It's not perfect but it's slightly better as far as brightness and detail is concerned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie5rddmVmf8

Instead of just splicing parts from each one together I combined both video layers into one using Sony Vegas:

<snip>

I'm not sure if the slight improvement would be worth applying this process to the entire special, but I figured it would at least be worth looking into.

I must admit, I'm very intrigued.  What was the source of the two video clips used for the composite?  Looks like at least the WBBM was from YouTube, as it has the FuzzyMemories watermark on it...which means the quality would be low to begin with.  I'd love to see what would happen if you combined the two versions from the DVDs rather than the YouTube copies.

--SKot

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#429168
Topic
Preserving the...<em>cringe</em>...Star Wars Holiday Special (Released)
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Sluggo said:

Aside from 1979, when hasn't been a dry spell for the old HS?

You've got a point there, Sluggo.  But I'd say it looked something like this:

1978-1979: Holiday Special airs.  One article appears in Starlog in 1979.

1979-1994: Complete dry spell, absolutely nothing on the HS for 15 years.

1994-1996: First new articles on the HS start appearing. Lucasfilm acknowledges the HS for the first time with an Insider article.

1996-1998: Another dry spell.

1998-2000: 2 huge articles by Ross Plesset are published in Filmfax & SFX, with the most HS information anyone has ever seen.

2000-2002: Bit of a dry spell.

2002-2005: 2 big articles in the official German SW magazine. starwarsholidayspecial.com goes live in 2003 on the 25th anniversary. Entertainment Weekly does a blurb on the HS in 2005.

2005-2007: Dry spell.

2007-2008: Acceptance of the HS increases.  Lucasfilm starts producing some actual official HS merchandise, starting with an animated Boba Fett figure.  30th anniversary in 2008 produces the biggest official recognition of the HS with a week of articles on sw.com.

2008-2010: Dry spell again.

Something like that, anyway.

--SKot

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#429153
Topic
Preserving the...<em>cringe</em>...Star Wars Holiday Special (Released)
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balsho said:

That sounds interesting, and I'd like to see your results.  To me though KCCI already looks pretty damn good, but its usually without the commercials.  Then the ones with commercials seem to always be lower in quality, especially the commercials themselves.  Then I've seen the commercials by themselves floating around that seem to match KCCI quality.  So blending those could kind of be a nice mix of the best that's currently available.

I certainly wouldn't discourage anyone from giving it a shot.  But yeah, since the KCCI and the WBBM are so close in quality, I can't see it making a whole lot of difference in the long run.

I keep hoping a complete version will show up with the entire show and all commercials, uncut, and in great quality.

I guess it would be posted here if there was, but is there any news on the possible new capture/version that might've been in the works?

I haven't heard anything to that effect lately, unfortunately.  Since 2008 (the 30th anniversary), it's been a fairly dry spell for the old Holiday Special...

--SKot

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#424019
Topic
Info: Return of the Ewok - is the original 16mm really lost?
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I should probably chime in at this point...

First of all, one name that hasn't been brought up during this discussion is that of David Tomblin, first assistant director on ROTJ and director of Return Of The Ewok (ROTE).  He is key to this whole discussion, since ROTE was his film and his baby.  He was given unprecendented access to every aspect of ROTJ to make his own little film, which the actors and crew happily cooperated with him on.  Lucas (and everyone else involved) must have really liked him.  Unfortunately, he never fully completed the film...but he did give a VHS copy of the rough cut to Warwick Davis early on.  Warwick forgot about it for a long time, but eventually brought it out for Celebration I in 1999 (and I think another event just prior)...and that was its first exposure to the world.  Needless to say, it was wildly popular among those lucky enough to be there to see it (myself included), and it became Warwick's centerpiece for many of his appearances to come.

Lucasfilm apparently did not have a copy of this film at all (the only physical copy of the cut was probably in Tomblin's hands), and they requested to borrow the VHS from Warwick to make a digital preservation copy, probably around the time of Celebration I.  That digital copy would have formed the basis for the edited Hyperspace version, and I'm certain that the unedited version resides in the LFL archives for posterity...though we will probably never see it in its entirety due to the clearance nightmares involved in releasing it to the public.

Sadly, David Tomblin died in 2005 leaving ROTE in limbo with the original film stock still missing.  I had hoped that the actual film might turn up in his estate after his death, but so far I've heard nothing to indicate that.  It was probably lost long ago, possibly destroyed, leaving Warwick's VHS tape the only known copy in existence.

A lot of these questions came up while ocpmovie/Garrett and I were researching the preservation of this film, and while Garrett was editing the complete film together from the best/only sources out there.  He made the discovery then that both the "Wicket & Fett" clip from the 2004 DVD and the "Warwick waving goodbye" from the documentary were alternate takes from what was on the original ROTE film.  Since preservation of the original version was more important to us than the better quality, we opted to not use the alternate takes; and instead, Garrett put them in the DVD menu loop...which I think worked well.

What this means is that there are at least a couple of scraps of original footage Tomblin shot that got left with Lucasfilm.  Whether there are more scraps or not is anyone's guess, but the entire film itself has not shown up.  If it did, I'm fairly sure Lucasfilm would do an article about the discovery, even if they couldn't show the film to the public.

The fan preservation of ROTE, which edited all the footage from Hyperspace together with the only other footage available (a dodgy cam recording of a VHS presentation), is the only way to view the entire film outside of managing to catch Warwick while he's presenting it.  Garrett even mixed Supertramp's "Take The Long Way Home" back into the Hyperspace footage, in the proper place.  We made a decision to use proper widescreen clips from the trilogy to replace the "scrunched" temp footage that Tomblin had left in, and Garrett added in title and credits to the film - the only two things that really deviated from the rough cut's original presentation.

It's not outside the realm of possibility to think that an original celluloid print of ROTE could still turn up somewhere.  It could be lost in the Lucasfilm archives, still lost in Tomblin's estate somewhere, or lost somewhere else entirely.  Hey, look at what happened to Metropolis...the original version showed up 80 YEARS after all copies were supposedly destroyed!  Of course, ROTE is nowhere near that level of sacred, even though we'd like to think it is. ;)

--SKot

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#414075
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Info: The &quot;Lost Cut&quot; Of ANH
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Erikstormtrooper said:

SKot said:

The only way I could even grant the possibility of what you said is if Belgian TV somehow managed to illicitly broadcast a fan edit like Berndt Doetzer's Final Cut, which is an edit of the movie with bunches of extra material added in, some of it fabricated by the editor. 

 Speaking of which, was this Final Cut ever finished and released?

Berndt's Final Cut was finished, yes, but Berndt himself didn't want to release copies of it to the public.

Obviously he is not on the same wavelength as the rest of the fan editors who have embraced this kind of sharing community.  In my opinion, that is his loss much more than it is ours.

--SKot

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#413866
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Info: The &quot;Lost Cut&quot; Of ANH
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StarWarsFan786 said:

 

 How do you mean "Not believing you in the least"?

Basically, what you said may have made a great rumor on my school playground during recess in the pre-internet days, but nowadays it doesn't fly at all.

And why, you might ask?  Because firstly, in this age of worldwide digital awareness there's NO POSSIBLE WAY that such an airing would slip by unnoticed.  Word would leak out onto the internet and spread all over the globe within *minutes*, if not seconds, of the broadcast if even the smallest bit of an unseen shot was shown.  Even if it was only broadcast in Belgium.

Secondly, there is no such cut out there with the scenes all finished and colored in.  Those scenes don't even have finished sound or special effects.  The Biggs scenes in particular were never completed all the way, and have only ever existed in raw form.  So that immediately dismisses all claims from people who think they saw them in the movie, either back in 1977 or more recently.

The only way I could even grant the possibility of what you said is if Belgian TV somehow managed to illicitly broadcast a fan edit like Berndt Doetzer's Final Cut, which is an edit of the movie with bunches of extra material added in, some of it fabricated by the editor.  But even then, word would get out immediately, we would know about it, and the station would likely be targeted for a lawsuit by Lucasfilm's lawyers.

In conclusion, I think your story is made up.  False.  A fabrication.  Nonsense.  Bunkum.  Tummyrot.  To put it more plainly, sir: bollocks!

--SKot

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#413300
Topic
Editdroid's SW 1977 DVD (Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation?) (Released)
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zombie84 said:

Editdroid has taken a completely new pass at the film.

Ho ho ho!

I guess that might explain why things have been so quiet on the EditDroid front for so long.  The group continues to outdo themselves, raising the bar again on their own work...

This pleases me to no end, and I can't watch a copy on the (not so giant) 16:9 TV I finally have.

--SKot

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#412974
Topic
Idea: 'Star Wars - Droids' animated tv series - preservation ideas
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newt said:

i've also put some thought into bonus stuff, but not much, so if people have suggestions feel free to let me know.

The Kenner DROIDS line commercial I would consider a must for extras on this collection.  You might consider including the cartoon from the Holiday Special as well, if there's room.

I'm in full support of this project, and I wish you the best of luck on it.  You seem to be farther along with it than I've seen anyone get so far, in that you've already purchased a number of the tapes in various languages.

--SKot

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#397214
Topic
The Official babyhum Release Thread
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I'm definitely very interested in any new developments.  Welcome back, babyhum...though I haven't been around here much myself lately due to real life distractions, I try to always step up and take notice when there's any news from your front.

Keep us posted on what you've got in mind, whether it's revisiting old work in higher quality or doing some new releases.  I'll offer any help I can give, even if it's just enthusiastic encouragement!

--SKot

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#390479
Topic
Preserving the...<em>cringe</em>...Star Wars Holiday Special (Released)
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MattMahdi said:

SKot said:

Let's hope we can see a DVD9 with a new capture of the KCCI soon.  That's the best hope for a SWHS broadcast preservation that we have.

You speak as someone who has reason for hope of such a thing coming to pass?

 I know that there are some in the community who have been working on such a project.  (A New) Hope springs eternal!

--SKot