Obi-Wan Kenobi said:
If you face Vader, you will do it alone. I cannot interfere.
Presumably, this rule still applies. I don't think we need to see the ghosts there at all.
WHAT HAS BEEN SEEN CANNOT BE UN-SEEN.
I see your schwartz is etc. etc.
Which is of course a form of the more general: "An NPC is never late, Dave. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when the plot dictates it."
Mmmm. I'd have been happy to accept that Vader has a shorter "battle" helmet and that the "kilt" was a one-off for similar reasons — we never really see him going into battle elsewhere, the closest is the opening of ANH. For his sabre battles in the three movies he doesn't really have the opportunity to go back to his quarters and change. :-p
That said, it's ridiculously awesome that Ady's managed to do that. I don't know how many times someone has suggested something, and we've agreed "that'd be cool but it's practically impossible to do", and then Ady comes along, says "it's already been fixed", and leaves us in his wake.
*thud* unhhhhh... *smaller thud*
I agree. Showing the forest moon with rings is simpler, and doesn't need to change the plot.
Angel? :-p
For those of us bothered by the Endor Holocaust Theory, are there any suggestions for averting this? Showing that the Death Star debris remains in orbit rather than crashing down to the moon would be sufficient and probably the best way of doing it; if someone's extending the finalé over several months, the formation of a ring system around the forest moon from the debris would be enough to signify this and would make for some interesting eye candy to boot.
Stop it Angel! You're giving Ady more work to do! That's the last thing he needs!
:-p
It doesn't, because not only will the viewer who started with ANH not know what he's talking about, Luke won't know what he's talking about either — he knew nothing at all about his mother. It becomes a continuity error.
We do appreciate your input, but this particular suggestion doesn't work unless we make a lot more changes that are probably neither feasible nor desirable.
Yeah, but Luke (and the viewer if they're watching it in release order) will be thinking "What did he say? What's a padme?"
Do you know anything about how language works, Sevb? There aren't oddities in Yoda's every line in ESB because the specific things that trigger his odd speech aren't IN his every line.
*Disclaimer: Linguistics major talking here.
Sevb, it has nothing to do with which film he appears in. Yoda had a specific, consistent speech pattern which he used in ESB and which was emulated accurately for ROTJ. In the PT, instead of using a consistent speech pattern, they randomly moved some words around in his lines. If they'd actually used a consistent pattern in the PT and had the random words in ESB, I'd probably be here saying the PT dialogue was an improvement.
Epileptic Trees!
Ahem. I thoroughly approve.
I think I agree with Bingo.
The problem is that he had definite speech patterns in ESB and ROTJ. In the PT, they ignored this and just gave him some randomly backwards words. When Adywan gets around to making PT:R I'll be interested to see if he does anything with this.
1. What's wrong with having a four-act structure?
2. Acts are subdivided into scenes. I've never yet seen a film where an act break comes in the middle of a scene. Surely Screenwriting for Dummies 101 taught you that much?
It's debatable, really. The films weren't explicitly planned so that act one ends here or there. An act break can come at any change in the story, and I think it's more a matter of the feel of the film than Significant Character Decisions. By this analysis, TPM has the four acts I mentioned. Each ends with a significant dramatic event. Meeting Anakin doesn't feel like an act break. In any case, if act two of ROTJ ends with Luke handing himself over, act three begins with the Rebel fleet. Your point being?
As for Anakin being secondary, I actually liked that about TPM. I've said this before: as the first film of the series, it should have a standalone plot, and it does. Why should Obi-Wan be the lead and Anakin the "focus", when Qui-Gon and Padmé are having more effect on the plot? Sure, they could have done it with Obi and Anakin as leads, but it would have had to be a very different story and wouldn't have necessarily been any better than the film we got. In fact, it would probably have resulted in "an entire movie wasted on his introduction", whereas the film as it stands (in its theatrical version and in the fanedits I've seen) is a space opera similar in broad strokes (if rather lacking in execution) to the original intent of the series. Does it have much to do with the overall plot of the saga? Not much less than ANH had to do with the plot of the OT, comparatively speaking.
TPM really has more of a four-act structure: act one ends with the escape from Naboo, act two has the podrace as its climax, act three is the Coruscant section and act four is the return to Naboo and final battle. Four acts is unusual in most media; hour-long television dramas are the only format that regularly use it. I disagree that act one of TPM is too short; a lot happens in it. Four acts can work, and I think it does for TPM; it is also successfully used in The Hobbit. Most films have either three acts or five (2001 is an example of the latter).
AOTC has a well-defined final act, but it's difficult to say what else it has. It's very different from the other movies; until the last act, it's half detective story and half love story [insert snarky sand reference here].
ROTS has a shortish first act, and a long second one; the most likely candidate for the end of act two is Order 66.
ESB has a clear first act; it's less clear where act two ends, but I would venture Luke's departure from Dagobah makes the most sense.
ROTJ follows the standard three acts; act one ends with the sail barge battle, and act three begins with the Rebel fleet jumping to hyperspace.
They could afford to. They wouldn't do it unless Lucas told them to, which would be if it would make money. Well, I won't be that cruel, but unless there's something in it for them, such as a major Blu-Ray release, that material won't see the light of day, and such changes will only make it into the actual films if Lucas decides to change his mind.
Anyone know where I can see this unfinished scene?
Then humour me, O most exceedingly arrogant one. Explain to me what you are in fact talking about. Notice that nobody here is agreeing with your assessment. JasonN, brash_stryker and Ghost are all in favour of Dooku-as-well-intentioned-antagonist, and I've seen nobody else on these boards inclined to dismiss it out of hand like you. There are edits out there which do it, of which JasonN's is only one. Don't say they fail before you've seen them.
A rouge Jedi? Wouldn't that mean he should have a red sabre?
*rimshot*
No, you just want things simplified and explained ad nauseam. Doing so is his only purpose in life.
You seem incapable of grasping the idea of a plot which includes shades of grey, in which the antagonist can be a good person, or the villains aren't necessarily working together.
Venal, I think you and Ric Olie would get along really well....