RicOlie_2

MrBrown said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Absolutely not. Being black is not a choice.

 So, you say, what you belief is just a choice.

You could stop believing in God and stop being catholic just at the point? Cool... And you just can start believing homosexuality, just equal as being heterosexuality?

What if a job (out of being a priest) wants you to stop living heterosexual acts?

And, to help the employer to see iof the person is of a belief, sexuality or  such thing they don't feel comfortable with, that homosexuals have to wear a rainbow flag, and jews a little star, and islamists a small half-moon, and mormons a little.. uhm.. here I have fo pass, I don't know a fitting symbol important to the mormon belief...

..but, you know.. nothing against these kind of people... it's not to discriminate.. it ius just.. to help normal people see what they are dealing with...

 No, that's not what I mean. I don't think I presented my reasons very well. I think that in a free country, employers should have the right to refuse employment just because they don't like a person. That's all I mean, and I think that the employer in question should be the top dog in the business/organization/other for the rule to qualify. If someone under the head of the business is responsible for employing people, the rule should no longer apply unless the boss also refuses to hire that person. At a certain point even that should be prohibited.

TV's Frink said:

Lol at "practicing" homosexual.

 Not the right term I know, but I was in a hurry. :P

TV's Frink said:

Neither is homosexuality.  Are you ok with an employer refusing someone employment because of that?

I think based on past statements you would not be ok with that, but just want to be sure.

 No, I am not okay with that, though I think a school (especially a Catholic school), for example, should not be forced to hire a practicing homosexual. People are born homosexual, but they still choose to engage in homosexual sex acts.

I'll answer you guys later, but I've gotta run now, so I don't have time to type up a proper answer.

There are so many amazing changes I loved, I don't think I can list them all!

In ANH, it was wonderful to see Han fire only in self-defense, making him seem less like a bad guy! That added such depth to his character and showed there was really good in him all along.

The Jabba scene was also a great idea! Not only do we get to see Jabba extra early so we don't have to wait so long to see him in ROTJ, but the important dialogue from the Greedo scene is reinforced and repeated so that we don't forget that Han has to pay Jabba lots of money. That is important for ESB and ROTJ, otherwise people would probably forget why Jabba wanted Han. But not only that; the new Jabba was created with pristine, state-of-the-art CGI and looked just like the puppet!

The ring around the Death Star explosion really added power to the scene and was so much more satisfactory than the old, pathetic one which really looked like a model blowing up (but now it doesn't because of the ring!).

I also really loved the nice blue tint they put over everything, as that added so much colour and atmosphere to the movie.

Also, it looks like Obi-Wan wears lipstick a lot, which I think is a clever nod to the transgender community, showing Lucasfilm's acceptance of all people in the fan community.

In ESB, I was glad to see that the wampa got more screen time. The poor guy hardly made an appearance originally, but now we get to see him eat, confirming our suspicions that he actually ate the tauntaun. With its previous ambiguity, we didn't know what happened to the tauntaun or why the wampa took Luke, but it is all put to rest for once and for all (for all because that crappy original original trilogy is gone now).

I was pleased to see that Boba Fett's stupid voice was finally gone, and replaced by a real actor. The new one sounds like he's half asleep, which works really well with Fett's character, since it shows that he is bored and is so cool he doesn't even care about what's going on.

Vader's new line replacing "Bring my shuttle!" is so much better. With the old line we were left wondering, "Where is Darth Vader going? Will the people on the Star Destroyer be sufficiently prepared for his arrival?" Now everything is clear and we don't have to worry about it anymore.

Another change that I liked was the new Emperor/Vader scene. Now we don't have to deal with Clive Revel and Elaine Baker and we have the handsome Ian replacing them...and with brand new dialogue that explains things better for the fans!

Hoth looked really did look cold with the new blue tint (everything else looked cold too, but whatever).

In ROTJ we are treated to an all new music video called "Lappy Neck" or something like that. The talent and CGI displayed in the video was so good that I think they should go back and replace Star Wars with a musical saga, replacing all puppets with CGI and adding a whole bunch of new ones who can pop out from behind trees and stuff and sing (I can see it now: Star Wars: A Musical Hope followed by The Tenor Strikes Back and Rehearsal of the Jedi and preceded by The Phantom Vocalist, Attack of the Notes, and Remix of the Sith).

I also love the new ending! Now we get to see Naboo and see that our beloved Gungans are OK and we can finally dispel the former notion that the collapse of the Empire was actually spread out over a long period of time. Now we know that everybody was happy as soon as the Emperor died, so the Empire couldn't have been that bad after all, giving us more sympathy for the Imperials when we watch the movies again.

Perhaps best of all is that we get to see the tender young Anakin Skywalker, with the appearance of our beloved protaganist from the prequel trilogy, whereas before that scene was a "Who the heck is that guy?" moment, which detracted from the emotional impact of the scene. Now we see more clearly the tender love between father and son as young Anakin sheepishly smiles at his son and all former misunderstandings fall away. What better way to end the saga?

Overall, I am glad that Lucas just added a bunch of stuff without changing the story and keeping all the continuity errors and other stuff intact. Even better, it is really noticeable so that we don't miss any exciting new stuff and we don't get the original and the special editions mixed up.

May your midichlorians multiply and good luck come on the backs of rontos!

Absolutely not. Being black is not a choice.

Warbler said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Warbler said:

darth_ender said:o.

Many facilities, particularly in the South, will not hire a Mormon.

 pretty sure that is illegal.  

 If it is illegal, it shouldn't be. Meaning no offense of course, but if that were the case than people would not be able to refuse people for hire based on a person's beliefs (which the employers may be completely opposed to and thus not wish to affiliate themselves with that person), and I think it is a right employers should have.

 I couldn't disagree more.   If religion has nothing to do with the job being applied to, why should it matter what the applicant's religious beliefs are?  

I am pretty certain discriminating in hiring based on religion is banned by civil rights legislation.  

Tell me, if Walmart announced  tomorrow that they were no longer going to hire Catholics, would you think Walmart had every right to do so? 

 Good point. I think it should be legal for small businesses (perhaps under 50 employees or something like that), but once it gets larger than that, then employers should be required to be looser with their requirements. With a small, personal business though, if someone is hiring one other person and they're going to be in close contact everyday, the employer might want to hire someone around whom they would be comfortable, which might involve not hiring people who wear shirts advertising that they're pro-choice (just an example, and the employer could impose a dress code to avoid that kind of thing, but that's not my point).

It's a pity that none of the big things my dad has are in great condition (I guess that means they were well-used which is good), since he has:

two Millenium Falcons (aged and missing some of the smaller pieces),

the Death Star playset (mostly broken now),

a Sandcrawler (still in pretty good condition),

an AT-AT (also in mostly good condition though the door doesn't stay on properly anymore),

Hoth,

the Cantina,

the Ewok Village

the Darth Vader helmet carry-case,

Jabba's palace (I believe it was in very good condition up until a couple years ago),

a few X-Wings (all broken),

a few TIE fighters/interceptors/Vader's TIEs (also mostly broken),

some cloud cars (one of which is in fairly good shape, the others have broken cockpits),

an AT-ST (which I think also broke in the last few years),

Slave I (sadly, this one isn't in good shape either),

the "Expanded Universe" toys (most, if not all, are in good shape),

a few other ships like the Snowspeeder and Luke's Landspeeder (most of which are broken).

He also has the Wampa, a Tauntaun, two Dewbacks, two Jabbas, the band in Jabba's palace, and a whole bunch of action figures which are in better shape than the ships.

My dad has a whole bunch of these, though they are not all in great condition anymore (most at least show signs of heavy aging) and most of his spaceships are broken.

He even has a couple vinyl-caped Jawas in his collection and has less common figures like Jabba and the Wampa.

How about the rest of you, especially those who grew up with Star Wars and the Kenner toys, do you still have any of them?

For a year or two the competition between Luke and Han over Leia went completely over my head. For a couple years after that I still didn't see it in ANH, though I noticed it in ESB. I thought the "I care" scene was nonsense and I couldn't figure it out until I was about eleven or twelve. :P

I think plot points went over my head more than I held actual misconceptions. For instance, I didn't get how the Death Star found the Rebel base since I didn't get the bit about the homing beacon.

Another actual misconception I had was again in ESB. I thought Lando didn't know about the Imperials on Bespin, so I thought he was more of a good guy than he really was and I didn't understand why Chewie choked him.

Warbler said:

darth_ender said:o.

Many facilities, particularly in the South, will not hire a Mormon.

 pretty sure that is illegal.  

 If it is illegal, it shouldn't be. Meaning no offense of course, but if that were the case than people would not be able to refuse people for hire based on a person's beliefs (which the employers may be completely opposed to and thus not wish to affiliate themselves with that person), and I think it is a right employers should have.

K-2i

It would make some sense for the Empire to go cheap on a huge project like the Death Star and could probably save them billions of credits in the end, but you would think the doors would at least be heavy enough to go straight up and down!

The Clone Wars series for one. There is so much about it I like, but it has so many problems and inconsistencies with the movies as well.

It still wobbles very definitely.

Jaitea said:

So that fits in with your understanding of god, the dinosaurs time on earth at being 165 million years and our species barely on this planet?

It fits perfectly well with my understanding of God.

All those creatures and species living their lives to evolve just for our benefit? just so we can spend a small time on earth so god can decide if we deserve to go to the afterlife?

J

 Partially. I don't know that I would put it that way though. The way you phrased it may not be indicative of the true purpose of it all, but the gist of what you are saying/questioning is correct.

Jaitea said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Jaitea said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Jaitea said:

Do you think you would be that religion if you were born in another country, say India or Afghanistan?

Depends where. There are a lot of Catholics in India. Of course I could have been born into a different religion, in which case I would probably still belong to that religion. I would be an entirely different person had I been born somewhere else and I cannot therefore speculate as to whether or not I would have stuck with it.

 So probably you would be worshiping a different God with the same enthusiasm,....so really you are a Catholic because of your parents, if you were born in D_E's family you would be a Mormon etc

Thats the way it usually goes, the world over....would you find it unimaginable to switch to another religion?

Not unimaginable, no. Difficult perhaps, but as I said, I don't know how I would behave because I would be a completely different person. If I were the same person and thought the same way for the most part, except for my religious beliefs, I would not likely continue to adhere to those religious beliefs. But of course I would not think the same way.

another question,.....it's fair to believe in evolution now?

J

 I believe in guided evolution (evolution with God guiding it along).

 Ok it's established that the universe is 13.8 billion years old.....the age of the earth is 4.6 billion years old...first life on earth estimated 3.8 billion years ago.....dinosaurs first appeared about 230 million years ago.....mammals first appeared 160 million years ago, but lived under the shadow of the dominant reptiles until 65 million years ago when an asteroid/comet hit near Mexico.....only 200,000 years ago the first homo sapiens appeared....

....up to 5 billion species have gone by the wayside and are extinct due to evolution.....all that to evolve gods perfect creation.....man

Created to worship Him

Why not? Look at all the complexity of the universe. God could have just made it as it is, but he developed it slowly instead, but why is that a problem?

Sorry if this sounds like superior intellect.....its not.....it's from Google

Enjoy your time on earth

J

 It doesn't sound like superior intellect. All those are facts I know myself. I plan to enjoy my time on earth if God wills it, but I would rather enjoy the other side of death than enjoy my time on this side.

No, it is definitely not a jump cut. The actors beside the door don't move an inch, but the door wobbles like crazy and must go back and forth a couple inches horizontally as it comes down. It looks pretty bad anyway.

Jaitea said:

RicOlie_2 said:

As you said, perhaps alcohol made you come across the wrong way, but you heavily implied that religion will go extinct relatively soon and that it has been the cause of most suffering.

I do feel with the advances in space exploration and the understanding of the cosmos we are on the verge of truly discovering the origins of life.....look where we were 50 years ago

That would be interesting, but I don't believe the discovery of the origins of life would preclude the existence of God or a god.

RicOlie_2 said:

Jaitea said:

I have never been rude to you or Ric2, I've just asked questions that (i think) are loopholes in your faith....to make you question.....I don't think you are foolish, or that I am wise, some times when you are so close to something, you don't see what it looks like as others see it from afar

J

 You sometimes came across as one of those "superior intellect" types, and though I was never really offended, some (most of your comments were polite) comments seemed slightly rude or patronizing.

 I'm sorry if I came across that way,.....it must be the way I type:)

J

 No worries. :)

Never mind.

Jaitea said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Jaitea said:

Do you think you would be that religion if you were born in another country, say India or Afghanistan?

Depends where. There are a lot of Catholics in India. Of course I could have been born into a different religion, in which case I would probably still belong to that religion. I would be an entirely different person had I been born somewhere else and I cannot therefore speculate as to whether or not I would have stuck with it.

 So probably you would be worshiping a different God with the same enthusiasm,....so really you are a Catholic because of your parents, if you were born in D_E's family you would be a Mormon etc

Thats the way it usually goes, the world over....would you find it unimaginable to switch to another religion?

Not unimaginable, no. Difficult perhaps, but as I said, I don't know how I would behave because I would be a completely different person. If I were the same person and thought the same way for the most part, except for my religious beliefs, I would not likely continue to adhere to those religious beliefs. But of course I would not think the same way.

another question,.....it's fair to believe in evolution now?

J

 I believe in guided evolution (evolution with God guiding it along).

To clarify I meant immediate family, immediate family including children, parents, siblings, and spouses.

If your biological siblings and parents, or wife/husband and biological children outnumber mine, I shall be sufficiently impressed.

@ Warb

The second link in my last post is to that article.

I may be wrong about him not being a Christian, but that is the impression I got when I read it the first time.

Bodies that are preserved after death without embalming or mummification, et al.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorruptibility

http://www.howstuffworks.com/incorruptible.htm

I see that Warbler wishes that we never mind his comment, but I'll leave the links up for those who have Googlitophobia.

That is an interesting article. I read another article earlier today which directly contradicts the one you linked to (it was not from a Catholic or even Christian viewpoint, BTW).

As I have no direct experience with incorruptibles, I don't know what to believe.