RicOlie_2

Sx2g yourself! ;)

Ooh, I'm in trouble!

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twister111 said:

RicOlie_2 said:

What does FWIW mean?

For what it's worth.

 I knew that! :P Thanks for reminding me though.

Is that an uncertain answer to my question or a query of your own?

Well, each to his own, I guess.

I would say that Thrawn is much more of a tactical genius than Tarkin. They are similar in some respects, but only superficially IMO.

Those nasty paratroopers! ;P

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What does FWIW mean?

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I presume you mean specific examples?

Because I can give a lot of general ones, and I might be able to find examples of atheists shoving their views down my throat, assuming I can find the comments, but that take some time. They are less publicly active, admittedly, so other than stories like pro-choice activists smuggling jars of crap into a building to dump it on a pro-life convention or something of the sort (they were stopped) there isn't a lot you can find on the news.

I find that agnostics generally only force their pro-choice or pro-gay views on people whereas atheists are more prone to make declarative statements such as "God isn't real" or "Religious people are a bunch of stupid **** and the world would be better of without them" without backing up their views.

I find it sad that writing so much as "God bless" at the end of a comment on an internet article causes a multitude of insults and derogatory comments as well as such declarative statements as I mentioned above. It's a pity that there are so many atheists like that. I'm glad that few people on this forum seem to have that attitude.

Perhaps it isn't so much shoving views down others' throats as attacking views held by other people.

Sorry for the semi-rant. I am not trying to say that atheists and agnostics are bad or anything, just expressing my frustration with people who think they'll convert me to atheism by calling me an immoral idiot.

I'm fine with continuing from there.

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Me?

EDIT: Sorry if I already asked. ;)

MrBrown said:

RicOlie_2 said:

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Islam: Despite what many insist, Islam is certainly not a religion of peace and this is apparent from the Qur'an. I believe in peace (though I think war is necessary sometimes), thus I cannot maintain the ideals of this religion.

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 You are aware that much from the Qur'an is taken from the bible?
 And regarding this point the bible is as bloody and bloodthirsty as the Qur'an. With both books, it is often more a question of the interpreting priests.

A lot taken from the Bible is warped into a different story or the stories are drawn from different traditions (the latter being just a guess based on what I have read in the Qur'an). A new law of love and peace was given by Christ, so only the Old Testament contains the comparatively violent religion of the Jews/Israelites which was largely due to the way the world was at the time. Their violent behaviour was entirely normal back then. Muslims, at least according to the Qur'an, are still required to kill non-believers.

Also I may add, that inquisition, witch hunting, holy war, and purge the pagan was a catholic invention. Just to mention "Massacre de la Saint-Barthélemy" Night of August the 23rd to August 24th 1572. 

None of which would have been anything but appalling to the members of the early Church. None of those were right, none of those are in accordance with the Catholic religion. Holy wars and massacres are not only allowed in the Qur'an, but are also required.

Oh, not that you think I pick on you, but you seem to be very interesting to discuss with, because, we have both very different sighty, but I would say that we do our best not to insult, but to debate reasons and beliefs.

No worries, I don't feel picked on and I enjoy debating. :)

Personally I am not very religious, so I won'T call anything "god". I would argue, that the things atheists call morality is indeed the same thing as the point poeple of a belief see their god. It is the inner voice wich telling somebody if he is "wrong" or "right".

That has truth in it, but of course I believe that our conscience comes from God, not vice versa.

I really beliefe that Earth with its live on it is just a coincidence, and that we are only a little bit of dust in the whole existence of all. I don't dare to beliefe that we are the most intelligent beeings, also not the most reasonable.

 Though I believe our existence was planned from the beginning, I don't believe we are the most intelligent or reasonable beings. I believe the angels are both more intelligent and more reasonable, and of course that God is infinitely intelligent and reasonable.

I meant insulting people, not making jokes.

I apologize. However, I do think that non-religious in general do cram as much as those who follow a religion.

TV's Frink said:

I can agree with that, if I understood you correctly.  Kinda what the Pope was saying, right?

My wife just reminded my of a (fairly harmless, but still) example of religious cramming.  We have lived in a state where alcohol is sold in the grocery store six days a week, but not on Sundays.  Cram!

 Since your example isn't an example of true Christian spirit, my point still applies. Try to find an example of a true Christian action that you think is truly detrimental to society and bring it here. I can't think of any.

My signature never lies.

TV's Frink said:

darth_ender said:

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I will just say that non-believer cramming tends to be more inclusive and forgiving in my experience.

 It wouldn't be if Christians (including myself) practiced the spirit of their religion instead of focusing too much on pointless technicalities (relatively pointless, that is).

I'll go back to where you made your error since that gives me a better chance then I have now (I think). Which turn was that? 27?