MrBrown said:
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As you said "if". Also the most problems homosexual parents and their adopted children are not from the fact that the parents are of the same gender, but the fact that outstanding people working, and acting against it.
I would think that the most natural family unit would be the healthiest and most balanced one. Such a family unit would obviously be able to have children (i.e. there would be a father and a mother).
Also the sentence "if everyone lived by christian values..." to negate my argumentation is indeed invalid, because the facts are that never eryone will live by those "values" and that is a good thing, because these values are, watched from the outside, illogical and dangerous.
Illogical and dangerous...watched from the outside, atheism is illogical and dangerous. What is your point? How is it illogical and dangerous? In principle it is a loving, tolerant religion. Ooh, love and tolerance! Danger, danger! Cannot coexist with logic!
You gave yourself enough reasons why tha catholic church cannot be right, and only your beliefe in it give it the power to control you.
I don't blindly accept the teachings of the Church, but try my best to think things through and find the logical reasons for the Church's teachings. Having said that, I do accept all the Church's teachings, even before I find the root reasons for them. I don't leave it at that though.
You define the morale sights of the catholic church as permanent. But History shows that it is indeed fluid. You said that past time things done and preached by the institutional catholic chruch were wrong and not in agreement with the principles of the catholic church. But just because these principles changed since that time. So, what today is told as "what was wrong in the past" was in what the catholic church sgreed back then.
You are completely misunderstanding how it all works. Not once, not once has the Catholic Church changed its doctrine. Popes and bishops have condoned bad things, but the doctrine of the Church and the Bible still taught that they were wrong. The saints of the time taught that they were wrong. I did say that such things were against the principles and doctrines of the Church, but they did not change over time but have remained constant from the first century.
Thus it is possible that in few hundret years the catholic church also has a complete other point of teaching regarding homosexual marriage. It would just need one pope changing catholic marriage teachings a bit.
No, that's not how it works. Popes cannot change existing doctrine because truth never changes. They can add to it, but they cannot, ever, change it. Different understandings of things may come about and some views on things may change, but never Church doctrine.
Homosexuality is never condemned explicitly in the new testament, only in the old testament. The point here is that different translation does different interpretations. With all its translating and interpretation errors, I can't accept the bible as a valid source for any law.
That is why I think the Catholic Church is necessary. It is the original manuscripts from which our current Bible was copied that are infallible, and there are translational errors in current translations (there are at least thirty thousand in the KJV). The Catholic Church interprets Scripture through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Just because homosexuality isn't explicitly condemned in the New Testament but only in the Old Testament doesn't mean that has become okay since the OT was written.
