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darth_ender said:

Thanks buddy.  This week I will end up with more than 60 hours at work, on top of my involvement in local Church leadership, trying to move into a new house (slowly, thank goodness the separate landlords of both houses are friendly), and simply trying to be a husband and father.  Work has been especially busy the past two days.  Hopefully tomorrow is lighter.

 T-21

No worries, I understand. I know what it's like to be busy and I don't expect you to be able to post often. Unfortunately I couldn't post earlier today, but I've started working Saturdays.

Well, we wouldn't have ESB, which would suck, but we would have a better prequel in terms of story. It would have been nice if he made the prequels right after the OT though, before George had a chance to change too much.

As will I.

It's been very sunny for the past few days. A couple days ago there literally wasn't a cloud in the sky, which is very rare here, especially in wintertime. It's still cold though; the temperature has been around -20-30°C and it feels colder.

He didn't have a name but I'll call him Bob because he bobbed in the water after he died.

One of my fish died, does that count? It was an Indian Glassfish and I won't miss him because there are still five left.

BTW, if you ever want a diagram of the board, just ask for it and I'll make one up for you.

To add to what I wrote about the deuterocanon, most of them may be relatively unimportant, but not because they are less inspired or less authoritative. Rather, some of them are less important because they have less original or fewer important messages contained within them. However, this is not always the case, nor is it limited to the deuterocanon. For example, 2 Maccabees is the book on which the important Catholic doctrine of Purgatory is based while many canonical prophetic books contain little that is original or relevant. They are still inspired Scripture and authoritative books, but few would say they (or any books in the Bible, for that matter) are as important as the gospels.

February 28:

202 B.C.: Liu Bang is crowned Emperor Gaozu of Han, initiating four centuries of Han rule in China.

A.D. 1646: The trial of Roger Scott. His crime?...sleeping in church.

A.D. 1692: The Salem witch hunt begins.

A.D. 1759: Pope Clement XIII allows the Bible to be translated into multiple languages.

*sigh* I keep trapping my own pieces. :P

HH-24

HH-21

darth_ender said:

 

If so, then why accept Martin Luther's changes to the Bible which were made long after you believe Christianity became corrupt? Those books were affirmed as Scripture and included in the Bible at the same time as the books in the New Testament, so why reject the seven OT books but not the NT ones?

 Remember first what your church calls such books: deuterocanonical, meaning secondary canon.  Implicitly they are not valued as highly in Catholic canon either.  These books were never included in Jewish canon.  They were part of the Greek Septuagint, coming from Jewish texts but already of dubious authenticity, and ultimately rejected by Jewish authorities, though Christian authorities did ultimately accept them.  That said, we do not reject them wholly, but believe them to be somewhat unreliable, some more than others:

I believe they were termed deuterocanonical because their canonicity was questioned by some, like St. Jerome for instance, not because they are not as important. However, New Testament books like Jude and Revelation were also under dispute while other books that were ultimately rejected, like The Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas were considered canonical by some earlier on. The Church teaches that the deuterocanonical books are just as inspired as any other book in the Bible and they have no lesser value. 

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/91?lang=eng

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/apocrypha

I happen to have a parallel translation of I believe eight different translations of the Apocrypha, 4 Protestant, 4 Catholic, and it includes a few other books not found canonical by either, but esteemed as canon by Oriental Orthodox branches.  I've actually enjoyed collecting such books, and I hope to obtain a few books that contain large collections of pseudepigriphial Old and New Testament writings.  There is something to learn from many of them, even if some are very inaccurate.

 If you want a site that has a comprehensive list of non-canonical early Christian and Jewish writings, I suggest you take a look at these two sites:

http://earlychristianwritings.com/

http://earlyjewishwritings.com/

There is quite a list there and multiple translations and commentaries are included.

I agree with that and that was what I was worried about. There's probably a better way to limit them and perhaps it's enough just to drop them out of the game when they're captured instead of being able to paratroop them back onto the board. Or maybe that's the rule I should discard. I'll have to think about a good way to limit them without making them to complicated to remember easily.

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If Christianity became corrupt soon after the death of all the apostles, then why do Mormons accept the New Testament as Scripture since it wasn't affirmed as such until the fourth century or so? Also, do Mormons use the Protestant Bible rather than the Catholic one (the difference I am referring to being not the translation, but the books included in the Old Testament)? If so, then why accept Martin Luther's changes to the Bible which were made long after you believe Christianity became corrupt? Those books were affirmed as Scripture and included in the Bible at the same time as the books in the New Testament, so why reject the seven OT books but not the NT ones?

So I figured. That's OK, I was busy today too and wouldn't have been able to reply anyway.

Busy? :D

It must be. Few would be so insane as to advertise using blank billboards. What a waste of money. ;)

I propose that we only report aberrations from now on, not every time this happens. Otherwise, this thread could get really long.... :D

I've never gotten a 404 error before, but I got one just a little while ago. I don't know if it was just me, but I figured I would mention it.

Alright, you said he was being one. That isn't a whole lot different than saying he is one, but either way, he is not and was not being one.

Unfortunately, I was one of those who saw the prequels first, then the special editions. Because I was a little kid (actually, I was already eight the first time I saw a Star Wars movie) I liked the prequels better. I watched very few movies (and they were usually older or cartoons) in my early childhood, so I loved all the cool special effects and aliens and the like. I wasn't into the actual story of Star Wars, so the OT held little for me at the time. As I matured, I realized how stupid Jar Jar was, how terrible the dialogue was in the PT, how many plotholes it had, and that the OT really was Star Wars, not the PT. The PT was kind of cool, but it wasn't Star Wars. It was its own thing. Because I saw the PT first, that was Star Wars to me. When I saw the OT, it seemed to contradict the PT and I thought that was silly. I wondered why the problems in the OT weren't fixed so it matched up with the prequels. Also, I had come to have high expectations in terms of special effects, so I missed that in the OT. Now I enjoy a movie more for the story and acting than for the special effects and cool action scenes, so it seems obvious to me that the OT is better.

And more specifically, are all practicing Christians... That's it! The website is discriminatory against people who are open about their Christian Faith. So the solution to my problem is to convert the website! ;)

I just finished reading the forty or so pages of this thread I had missed. All I can say is "I wish I was here [on this thread on this site, not in this plane of existence] back then." There were some great conversations and debates early on and I would have loved to be a part of them. I also got to figure out C3PS and some other members a bit better. I was confused by his seeming inconsistency with his defense of Christianity, sometimes seeming like a practicing Christian and other times seeming like he was against it. Now it all makes sense. :P

EDIT: Never mind, I misunderstood what he was talking about.