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#700920
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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Thanks for detailing your church services. Now for this:

darth_ender said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Another question:

Why do you not take Jesus' request to "Do this in remembrance of me" literally? You have the bread and wine which are blessed, but without transubstantiation. Why is this? Jesus said that it was necessary to eat his flesh to inherit eternal life in the Bread of Life Discourse (John 22-71). What interpretation do Mormons give to that passage, as well as the Last Supper passages and 1 Corinthians 23-32.

 We do take it in remembrance of him.  I don't need his literal flesh and blood to be reminded of him.  And though I don't want to sound argumentative, it sounds quite clearly to me like a metaphor.  Christ also says he is the bread of life in the same discourse (in John 6, it's nice to see you make omissions now and then ;) ).  So does the bread become Christ, or is he already made of bread?  See what I mean?  Christ is also love.  We are the light of the world, as is he.  It's all metaphoric imagery.  Hope that doesn't come off as a rude answer.

Can't believe I missed the chapter number....

Now, the thing is, the word Christ uses for "eat" translates as "gnaw" or "munch" and not the regular word for "eat". Why use such a word if he meant it metaphorically? Of course, he himself wasn't speaking in Greek, but the fact that the gospels use that word indicates that they took it literally. Here's the other thing, why did he not attempt to clarify if he meant it metaphorically? We read in verse 66 that "As a result of this, many [of] his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him." Only the Twelve were left after this, and he started out with a huge crowd! Don't you think he would have explained that no, he didn't really mean that they had to eat him, if that's why they were all leaving him? Nowhere do Paul or Jesus say, or imply, that it is merely a symbol, in my opinion. It is always "this is my body," or "this is my blood."

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#700914
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Who'd like to try a chess variant? Now playing Xiang Qi, a.k.a. Chinese chess
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C-c6

You can use abbreviations for the pieces, if you want. I'm pretty sure I can figure them out, as long as you use different ones for every piece. CR, CN, C, and F work just fine, and I will be using B, W, F, and C. I'm not worried about getting the two F's mixed up because we have different armies, but I'd rather not spell out the piece name every time.

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#700904
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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Another question:

Why do you not take Jesus' request to "Do this in remembrance of me" literally? You have the bread and wine which are blessed, but without transubstantiation. Why is this? Jesus said that it was necessary to eat his flesh to inherit eternal life in the Bread of Life Discourse (John 22-71). What interpretation do Mormons give to that passage, as well as the Last Supper passages and 1 Corinthians 23-32.

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#700901
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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Interesting. I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church forbids, or at least heavily discourages, celebrating the Passover meal as such, but my family does have a tradition of having a meal similar to it, on Holy Thursday. What we eat is a reminder of the Passover meal, but we don't actually have roasted lamb, bitter herbs, or wine, and we don't eat standing up.

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#700867
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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Also, could you outline a typical church service (I'm not sure what you call it, but you know what I mean)? I'm curious to see how it compares to the Catholic Mass. I'm sure it's quite different, but I'd be interested to know.

EDIT: In more detail than given here, if you can:

http://www.mormon.org/faq/church-welcome-visitors

I'm specifically interested in the sacrament meeting. Does it have a specific structure, or is what is given on that webpage about everything that they all have in common?

Catholic Masses have a very specific structure and set readings, liturgical seasons, etc., which I personally enjoy quite a bit. It allows a person to get into the Mass a bit better if they're able to almost memorize it over time.

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#700857
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The Soundtrack Thread
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Hans Zimmer and John Williams are the only ones out of those that I've heard of, and I love both of them (their music is great too).

I like the LOTR and Hobbit soundtracks, as well as that of Inception and of course, the Star Wars Saga (I don't have the AOTC soundtrack though, aside from a version with funny-sounding voices from the movie over top of it).

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#700829
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How about a game of Japanese Chess, i.e. Shogi? Now playing Shogi4
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Oops, I forgot to make my move before I went for lunch.

RQ-2f

Yes, I agree. allowing two swallows per column allows a person to do a bit more with them. The negative to this is that it takes longer for the pieces in the back to interact with each other. So far not much has happened this game, other than exchanging swallow for swallow a few times.

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#700810
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Who'd like to try a chess variant? Now playing Xiang Qi, a.k.a. Chinese chess
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Tsk, tsk, watch your typos. It should be:

Qe7+

Kb8

Qb7

The game could have ended in stalemate if things progressed as follows after I moved my king:

Qc8

Pxg2

Kxg2 = stalemate

For some reason I wasn't even thinking that you would just move your queen to e7, but I guess that was the most obvious way to go.

Well, that was fun. What army/armies do you want to play with next?