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RicOlie_2

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#701512
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The Historical Discussion Thread: All Discussion Pertaining to History is Welcome
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April 19:

A.D. 1587: Sir Francis Drake sinks the Spanish fleet.

A.D. 1770: The first sighting of Australia by Captain James Cook.

A.D. 1934: Shirley Temple appears in her first movie.

A.D. 2005: Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger is elected Pope, taking the name Benedict XVI.

April 20:

A.D. 1139: The Second Lateran Council (the 10th ecumenical council of the Catholic Church) opens in Rome.

A.D. 1841: The first detective story, Edward Allen Poe's Murders in Rue Morgue is published.

A.D. 1862: Louis Pasteur and Claude Bernard complete the first pasteurization test.

April 21:

753 B.C.: The traditional date for Romulus and Remus' founding of Rome.

A.D. 1509: Henry VIII ascends the English throne.

A.D. 1689: William III and Mary Stuart become king and queen of England.

April 22:

A.D. 1659: Lord Protector William Cromwell disbands the English Parliament.

A.D. 1823: Roller blades are patented by R. J. Tylers.

A.D. 1876: Tchaikovsky completes his "Swan Lake" ballet.

A.D. 1914: Babe Ruth plays baseball as a professional for the first time.

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#701440
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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You've clarified my position somewhat, but not convinced me. Jesus lost all his disciples besides the Twelve Apostles because of something he said and he didn't clarify that he was speaking metaphorically? I'm not buying it, but thanks for elaborating. I can understand your point of view, it just doesn't convince me... However, a lot of people are equally skeptical about my beliefs, so I don't think this discredits your beliefs whatsoever.

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#700920
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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Thanks for detailing your church services. Now for this:

darth_ender said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Another question:

Why do you not take Jesus' request to "Do this in remembrance of me" literally? You have the bread and wine which are blessed, but without transubstantiation. Why is this? Jesus said that it was necessary to eat his flesh to inherit eternal life in the Bread of Life Discourse (John 22-71). What interpretation do Mormons give to that passage, as well as the Last Supper passages and 1 Corinthians 23-32.

 We do take it in remembrance of him.  I don't need his literal flesh and blood to be reminded of him.  And though I don't want to sound argumentative, it sounds quite clearly to me like a metaphor.  Christ also says he is the bread of life in the same discourse (in John 6, it's nice to see you make omissions now and then ;) ).  So does the bread become Christ, or is he already made of bread?  See what I mean?  Christ is also love.  We are the light of the world, as is he.  It's all metaphoric imagery.  Hope that doesn't come off as a rude answer.

Can't believe I missed the chapter number....

Now, the thing is, the word Christ uses for "eat" translates as "gnaw" or "munch" and not the regular word for "eat". Why use such a word if he meant it metaphorically? Of course, he himself wasn't speaking in Greek, but the fact that the gospels use that word indicates that they took it literally. Here's the other thing, why did he not attempt to clarify if he meant it metaphorically? We read in verse 66 that "As a result of this, many [of] his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him." Only the Twelve were left after this, and he started out with a huge crowd! Don't you think he would have explained that no, he didn't really mean that they had to eat him, if that's why they were all leaving him? Nowhere do Paul or Jesus say, or imply, that it is merely a symbol, in my opinion. It is always "this is my body," or "this is my blood."

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#700914
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Who'd like to try a chess variant? Now playing Xiang Qi, a.k.a. Chinese chess
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C-c6

You can use abbreviations for the pieces, if you want. I'm pretty sure I can figure them out, as long as you use different ones for every piece. CR, CN, C, and F work just fine, and I will be using B, W, F, and C. I'm not worried about getting the two F's mixed up because we have different armies, but I'd rather not spell out the piece name every time.

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#700904
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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Another question:

Why do you not take Jesus' request to "Do this in remembrance of me" literally? You have the bread and wine which are blessed, but without transubstantiation. Why is this? Jesus said that it was necessary to eat his flesh to inherit eternal life in the Bread of Life Discourse (John 22-71). What interpretation do Mormons give to that passage, as well as the Last Supper passages and 1 Corinthians 23-32.

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#700901
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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Interesting. I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church forbids, or at least heavily discourages, celebrating the Passover meal as such, but my family does have a tradition of having a meal similar to it, on Holy Thursday. What we eat is a reminder of the Passover meal, but we don't actually have roasted lamb, bitter herbs, or wine, and we don't eat standing up.

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#700867
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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Also, could you outline a typical church service (I'm not sure what you call it, but you know what I mean)? I'm curious to see how it compares to the Catholic Mass. I'm sure it's quite different, but I'd be interested to know.

EDIT: In more detail than given here, if you can:

http://www.mormon.org/faq/church-welcome-visitors

I'm specifically interested in the sacrament meeting. Does it have a specific structure, or is what is given on that webpage about everything that they all have in common?

Catholic Masses have a very specific structure and set readings, liturgical seasons, etc., which I personally enjoy quite a bit. It allows a person to get into the Mass a bit better if they're able to almost memorize it over time.

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#700857
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The Soundtrack Thread
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Hans Zimmer and John Williams are the only ones out of those that I've heard of, and I love both of them (their music is great too).

I like the LOTR and Hobbit soundtracks, as well as that of Inception and of course, the Star Wars Saga (I don't have the AOTC soundtrack though, aside from a version with funny-sounding voices from the movie over top of it).