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RicOlie_2

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#1442191
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Well, tons of doctors also aren’t getting it, so I think both getting the vaccine and not getting it can be reasonable. The problem is that people’s choices often aren’t rationally based and they just make decisions off of soundbites… But I feel you. None of my grandparents are getting vaccinated, and I worry what will happen if they catch COVID…

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#1442168
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Not anymore. They force updates now. You can delay them, but sometimes updates still catch you by surprise. Or, as happened last time I updated my laptop, I had to do updates again and reboot my computer immediately after I had just done so. It’s much better when there are weekly updates or something and I can just choose a time every week to do them semi-manually…

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Anakin Starkiller said:

There’s not really that much of a difference between American and Canadian society, although I would say American Christianity is more typically puritanical than Canadian Christianity, which is where I thought your assumptions were coming from.

I’m atheist. As far as I can tell most people here my age are non-religious.

I mean that people’s perception of religion is typically shaped by the religions that surround them, so your belief that I think sex is bad because I think porn is bad betrays a certain societal influence. It’s completely normal for you to think that, but it gets a bit tiring when you don’t fit into the binary options society presents you with.

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#1441941
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Well, that’s likely because you’re not reading what I’m actually saying, so good for you.

There’s not really that much of a difference between American and Canadian society, although I would say American Christianity is more typically puritanical than Canadian Christianity, which is where I thought your assumptions were coming from. But that’s a big assumption on my part, because Canadians often have the same perceptions. The idea that there is a black and white binary between thinking sex is dirty and thinking porn is great is unfortunate. It leads to a lot of misunderstanding.

BTW, I’m not attacking your freedom to do porn. We live in free countries. You can do what you’d like. But if you complain about people stigmatizing it, be aware that people who think that porn devalues and cheapens sex by divorcing it from love and relationship are going to speak up. I think the stigma is fully justified (and I don’t really think there’s much of a stigma anyway in most of society; certainly not in my generation).

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#1441876
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fmalover said:

RicOlie_2 said:

fmalover said:

So what are you suggesting? That we abolish the sex industry altogether?

Practically speaking? No. Ideally speaking? Yes. It might be possible to eliminate trafficking without putting a stop to the industry, but I think there is something inherently wrong about objectifying human beings.

I don’t think I am objectifying anyone when porn is made for the explicit purpose of my arousal. I fully understand they are people, and if I were to encounter them in person I would simply say hello and be polite.

As for those who made a conscious decision to be pornstars and seem to genuinely enjoy their jobs, do you think they are somehow mentally damaged? Take Angela White for example. She chose the profession and genuinely loves it, or Nina Hartley, who’s been in the business since the 1980s and shows no signs of slowing down.

Your position makes sense to me, but I don’t think I fully agree with it. We may see objectification differently, but I would say that deriving sexual pleasure from someone outside of a relationship with that person inherently involves objectifying them, even if you are not seeing them as mere objects.

I don’t think pornstars are mentally damaged. I think there certainly are people who like performing sex for others. I’m just not convinced that it’s healthy for society to see sex as entertainment, divorced from any kind of personal relationship.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Practically speaking? No. Ideally speaking? Yes.

Ah yes. Sex bad. Abstinence good. Rub acid on your parts. Yadda yadda.

Please show me where I said that. I can understand why you might have that perception of me, especially if you’re American, but please try to realize that there are not simply binary options out there.

As I said about, sexual desire is healthy and normal, and it is healthy and normal because sex is good. In fact, I would say sex is one of the best things on the planet. I just don’t think making it into an industry is good. I think that sex is, normally, an expression of love between two consenting adults, and to make it into entertainment cheapens it and normalizes the sexual objectification of human beings, which is deeply harmful.

I think there is something inherently wrong about objectifying human beings.

I don’t think that’s a reasonable equivalence.

Fair enough. If you’re referring to my analogy with slavery, my point was simply that consenting to other people using you doesn’t necessarily make it right. It wasn’t to say that all sex workers are slaves.

People survived for thousands of years without porn.

People survived for thousands of years without plumbing or antibiotics. Doesn’t mean we should ditch them.

Then please explain how porn has enormously benefited society.

But also, speaking as someone who has never done porn or had sex, but whose hormones are very much alive and well, I think a little bit of self-control is far more satisfying than simply giving in to every desire.

Seriously, are you religious or something?

What difference does it make? You say that like it’s a bad thing. I came to my views independent of religion and only subsequently embraced my current religious beliefs, so it has little bearing on my views here.

This conversation is going nowhere. We should probably abort it.

If that’s how you feel. But speak for yourself, because I think a good discussion could still be had.

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fmalover said:

So what are you suggesting? That we abolish the sex industry altogether?

Practically speaking? No. Ideally speaking? Yes. It might be possible to eliminate trafficking without putting a stop to the industry, but I think there is something inherently wrong about objectifying human beings.

What’s next? Subject all human beings to hormone-inhibiting drugs unless it’s with the express purpose of procreation?

People survived for thousands of years without porn. Granted, they had prostitutes. But also, speaking as someone who has never done porn or had sex, but whose hormones are very much alive and well, I think a little bit of self-control is far more satisfying than simply giving in to every desire.

Another reason I believe porn should be destigmatized is because once you decide to enter the world of pornography that pretty much closes the possibility of moving on and doing something else, although there are a few stories of performers who left the industry and have had successful post-porn careers, such as Sunny Leone and Sasha Grey.

Is it porn that should be destigmatized then? I think it’s perfectly possible to destigmatize having been a porn worker without destigmatizing consuming porn (and without stigmatizing having strong sexual desires, which is normal and healthy).

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#1441788
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But often it’s not. Many porn workers are not freely consenting adults, but people who have been forced into the position.

Millions of people around the world are forced into the sex/porn “industry” including thousands in North America (that web page goes over just those who contacted a certain hotline–there are likely many more).

Pornhub is becoming notorious for its exploitation of women:

Yes, there is probably consent involved most of the time, but enough of the time there isn’t that you never really know when you’re watching porn whether it’s consensual or not.

Beyond that, however, it objectifies women by its very nature. People used to consensually sell themselves into slavery, but that didn’t make it OK. I don’t see why it’s OK to objectify other people whether or not they consent. It’s impossible to watch porn and see the actors/performers in their full humanity, as ends in themselves and not just means to one’s personal pleasure. The same goes for prostitution. Not to mention that porn can be addictive, like anything that creates a dopamine rush, and often does create dependencies, as I have seen in several people (and have heard about in many more).

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#1433162
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Objectivity in art
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I think art absolutely has an objective element. Mozart is objectively technically better than some randy small-time composer, regardless of who people enjoy more. I’m comfortable saying that Beethoven is objectively better than The Weeknd, while typically enjoying the latter more. In other words, I think the subjective element is “enjoyability”–i.e. the pleasure that a piece of art gives. Most of the other elements can be measured objectively, I think.

Of course, what makes art objectively good or bad depends on your defenition of art, which many would say is subjective. I would tend to disagree, while acknowledging that practically speaking, it’s not easy to come to an agreement on what makes art good.

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The Marvel Cinematic Universe
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To be fair though, they mentioned Afghanistan right at the beginning in Iron Man…Tony Stark went there, after all (or was it Iraq or something? I forget). But yeah, I feel like it’s a lot more gritty and real than a lot of other Marvel stuff and I love it. Not as much as Wandavision, but it’s still pretty good.

It seems that Phase 4 is exploring a lot of the trauma and psychology of the Avengers, which I find super interesting. Between Wanda, Bucky, and it seems Black Widow, it looks like there’ll be a lot more of that than there has been before.

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That’s an interesting take, but fair enough. I’ve always thought of that sort of happiness as just being happiness by analogy or metaphor, but I suppose it makes sense.

NeverarGreat said:

I’m non-religious and definitely think my life has a purpose. Not a purpose dictated by a higher being or family or society, but one directed from myself and my abilities. On good days, I imagine looking from the end of my life back on the present and asking if I’m really living or simply passing the time. For now, the purpose of living is not only to do those things necessary for survival but to gain in knowledge, skill, and expressive ability through art, and make sure that I also reap enjoyment from these activities. I’m very lucky to live with my girlfriend and two dogs, all of whom I love very much, and I try to appreciate each day with them without expectations of the future which so often sabotage a person’s happiness.

Who could ask for more?

Thanks for the perspective. I think the reason this wouldn’t work for me is that I’m too analytical in my thinking, in the sense that I see the world primarily through a rational, objective lense and interpret my subjective experience through that. So if I weren’t religious, the lack of objective meaning and import of my life would undermine any subjective meaning my life could have. It’s interesting to me that most people don’t seem to think this way.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

The ultimate purpose of a living organism is to be happy. Most do that by not starving and being alive. Humans are a little complex. Everybody’s looking for something.

That’s an interesting view. I’m not entirely sure what you mean by purpose though. Regardless of what exactly you mean though, why would it be the purpose of a plant or animal to be happy? Aren’t animals the product of a process that selects for survival, not happiness? What gives them this purpose?

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#1421177
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show
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NeverarGreat said:

oojason said:

NeverarGreat said:

I assume that’s the reason why they are making the show? For that one conversation between Obi-wan and Owen? That’s the only reason I’d make the show. 😉

No, there is another…

Who could Uncle Owen hand a serious bare knuckle beating to?

😉
 

My favorite thread of all time.

I’m very happy oojason mentioned it, because I’d never read it before. I loved your post at the end!