Reegar

^ Works as a primitive Christmas song.

^ From one of the commercials in this latest version.

I don't actually own any pantyhose.

It's the least I could do to help spread awareness. :)

It's sheer indulgence.

"Now I've got real panties in my pantyhose."

Could be related to Stranded On Island Together Syndrome. She's passable on a scientific level, and you've been exposed to her image so often over so long that your perception shifted.

I always found her cute. It depended a lot on her hair. She could go from "OK" to "wow".

There's always going to be those "stay on topic" people, and while I'm pretty fast and loose with that rule on every forum I join, maybe it'd be best to create another thread titled "Everything Wrong With ROTJ" or something like that.

But if you guys carry on discussing this, I'm obsessive enough to go right along. :P

You're a reasonable and articulate poster, deepanddark20. And you're right, we should return to the real topic.

The jackal gave birth in ROTJ, so to speak. The destruction of this franchise's integrity, at least in the film department, began WELL before TPM.

A writer can allow the reader/viewer to fill in some gaps, yeah. Such as so-and-so background character's profession or personality.

But this? This is a major arc in the trilogy. Luke's training as a Jedi is the most crucial aspect of his character development.

What was Luke even doing between episodes? ROTJ feels like it's taking place a good solid two years after ESB. And Luke and Yoda's last conversation clearly happened when he left for Bespin to save Han and Leia.

Let's really examine Yoda's claims. He said there was nothing more to teach Luke. He said it was unfortunate that Luke left before his training was complete. As though the confrontation with Vader on Bespin was the final test: resisting the dark side, but Yoda wanted to help fortify Luke's mind first.

But he states that one more confrontation with Vader is required. What is the nature and outcome of this final confrontation supposed to be? Converting Vader back to Anakin? Destroying him? Are they one and the same thing? If not, and destruction is meant to be a literal killing as Obi-Wan seems to argue: an apprentice becomes a Jedi through murder. And Luke refused to murder his father. And thus by that logic, never achieved the rank of Jedi.

Did Luke becoming a Jedi depend on Vader making the choice to become Anakin again? That's like if McDonald's would only hire me if my father promised to eat their egg McMuffins every morning.

Surely Jabba's pupils being able to dilate is far more of a concern than these simple story elements. Surely.

We are on the exact same page, my friend.

SilverWook said:

Wearing Jedi robes while hiding out on a backwater planet makes perfect sense. ;)

Obi Wan actually wore black in an issue of the Marvel comic set during the Old Republic, as did Luke at one point. That could have influenced the ROTJ look.

Obi-Wan as a hard, seasoned general dressed in black is awesome.

Maybe if Marvel had kept the rights we would've seen a weird cross-over: Obi-Wan VS The Punisher. Weird thought, but awesome. =P

And frankly, I wouldn't be half shocked if Yoda told Luke that to give him extra incentive. It may have had nothing to do with really becoming a Jedi.

What did Luke accomplish? Resisting the dark side? He already did that in ESB when he faced death instead of giving in. Sure, he was pivotal in redeeming his father, but so? Does every apprentice have an evil father he has to redeem before earning the official Jedi merit badge?

YODA: "You must confront Vader. Then a Jedi will you be. Because. . . uhm. . . reasons."

A few extra lines of dialogue or exposition on the Jedi training traditions could have fixed this.

This aspect of ROTJ isn't necessarily what I would call poor writing, but it is lazy. Like most of the film. Aside from the special effects.

Does that remind you of a certain other trilogy?

This is one of those instances where the phrase "for all intents and purposes" is appropriate. The film never explains or hints at the fundamental difference within Luke before the confrontation with his father and after. The real transformation happens in Vader.

"It's a chess thread!"

RicOlie_2's posts here have helped to open my mind. The man's interpretation of Star Wars takes it to metaphysical levels.

SilverWook said:

Reegar said:

A little known fact is that Chewie is the Buffalo Bill of Wookiees. That is the skin and fur of an innocent victim.

Imperial propaganda!

We all know Palpatine has a Wookiee throw rug in his summer home. ;)

HAN: "Say, that's a nice rug."

(pause)

"Oooh."

DuracellEnergizer said:

If something innocuous like this gets their panties in a bunch, I wonder how they'd react to something really distasteful -- like Julius Zimmerman's Leia fan art, for example.

Zimmerman is softcore. I want them to view Shabby Blue art.

A little known fact is that Chewie is the Buffalo Bill of Wookiees. That is the skin and fur of an innocent victim.

I am sorry, SilverWook. It worked for me.

I watch SpongeBob Squarepants. I was there when it premiered on Nickelodeon, and have followed ever since, owning three seasons on DVD.

That show has silly, stupid, goofy moments, let me tell you. But it's intelligently written. And usually we have the stuck-up Squidward to laugh at. His reactionary annoyance at SpongeBob and Patrick is worlds funnier than the slapstick.

TPM is, for the most part, poorly written, and we have nobody to really react to Jar-Jar in humorous ways. The only way this would work for me is if Qui-Gon was the sympathetic butt-end of Jar-Jar's antics. And he isn't in the core movie.

DuracellEnergizer said:

All-Star Superman (2011)

Contrary to popular opinion, my least favourite version of Superman is not the pre-Crisis Superman of the Silver & Bronze Ages. No, not at all. The truth is my least favourite version of the character is the pre-Crisis Superman of the Silver & Bronze Ages as interpreted by Modern Age navel-gazers like Grant Morrison.

Suffice it to say, any interest I ever had in reading the comic version of the story is now stone-cold dead. One of the best takes on Superman my ass.

5.6/10

Please note that many who love the comic find the animated adaptation to be lackluster. It's still worth a try.

My favorite AU Superman limited series is Red Son.

SilverWook said:

I found the reaction ironic considering some old postings I know of that went quietly ignored. And don't ask me what they were.

If they found the whole Jabba/Leia angle kinky, so what? It was George's idea to begin with. ;)

I've been sensing a trend to pounce all over anyone new who doesn't immediately fit right in. It's understandable with all the real troublemakers we've had the past year or so, but remember, we were all newbies once.

I'm lucky all the potentially dumb things I've ever said online were pre Google.

And now, I kind of want to see the uncropped version of Kristarwars' avatar.

Found it! I took the tiny sample that was their avatar and posted it in Google. That site's efficiency is creepy. In Tron 3, Google is the new MCP.

(Yeah, I was being obtuse on purpose.)

RicOlie_2 said:

I kind of think that way too. My personal canon includes the basic story-line, so it is not specific enough that Adywan's edit and the SE contradict each other.

What I consider to be my "canon" for ANH is that a farmer boy on a desert planet acquires two robots who are carrying technical readouts for a battle station constructed by an evil galactic empire. The empire tracks down the robots and kills the boy's family (the boy is away with the droids at the time). A friend of the boy who was once a famous Jedi and is now in hiding decides to take the boy with him to deliver the droids to a rebel base when he discovers that the droids are carrying the plans. They hire a smuggler to fly them to the base, but when they arrive, the planet on which the base was located and has been destroyed by the battle station. Their ship is captured, but they manage to exit the ship in disguise. The Jedi goes to disable the tractor beam holding the ship in place, and the boy and the smuggler end up rescuing a key leader of the rebellion who is on the station. The Jedi disables the tractor beam, but is killed, and the rest of them escape on their ship. They travel to another rebel base and form a plan to disable the battle station. The battle station arrives to destroy the rebel base, but is destroyed. I don't consider anything more detailed than that outline to be definite canon.

Cool way of looking at it, Ric! Leaves plenty of room for ambiguity.