RU.08

Yeah, WTH is facebook??

The Stolen Earth was a thrill because the doctor starts regenerating at the end.. as usual Journey's End was a massive let-down. After all it was the THIRD time RTD had all the daleks spontaneously ceasing to exist in the finale. Well, except for Doomsday, since there's still room for them to come back out of their hole in the void and rage war against the new dalek race (wouldn't that be interesting?) They need to stop writing finals where at the end all the problems suddenly "snap back". And they should do the time-war as an episode with all 4 "modern" doctors; mcgann, eccleston, tennant and smith. Ahh, now that would be interesting...

Haha, made it for his group of "elite buddies"? How useless. Looks like he has a scanned print, sky, not that it's much good if he wants to keep it to himself. Also looks like he went through and corrected all the errors he could find in SW (from that picture on his site depicting a fixed matte), so not a true restoration anyway. Oh well, people are stupid!

Okay, I've upped the 2nd version (and probably the final version). See 1st post for file. Now I can finally start on ESB!

[SPOILER]I disagree, this episode restored my faith in this season. RTD's parting of the ways was one hell of a let-down for a series finale (especially with the Doctor regenerating after just one season), but Army of Ghosts/Doomsday was a really good finale, I'd say the best by far so far. "River Song"/"Melody Pond"... how you can be disappointed with a reveal like that is beyond me!

Here's another SE change, it happens in the clip starting at frame 147763 in the SE. Although it's hard to tell, the SE starts a few frames earlier (at least in th cockpit) and as such ends a few frames earlier too. It's another one of those changes I thought was too trivial to worry about changing myself, but the list wouldn't be complete without it.

I used the GOUT

I lined it up manually and did a blend into SE luma... starting from after the SE Dewbacks.

Haha such whingeing. I'm still wondering why Rory's ID issue date is 30/11/1990. They better get around to explaining that this season.

It's too bad SCRE4M suked! :(

This doesn't need to be a SE vs OT all the time. The SE has its own merit, and its own fans, and as such the 97 version is equally expected to be preserved as well as the OOT. If Lucas wants to keep on changing his film that's fine, but he should be releasing all the versions, not just the version he thinks is best. Even with Blade Runner, there are fans that prefer the theatrical version over all other versions, and it's not like that's such a bad thing...

To clean-up the GOUT you can use the G-FORCE scripts that work in Avisynth and make the transfers far more tolerable. You have to make some small changes for PAL, and I can help you with that if you're using the PAL versions. This will give you better results than any cleaned GOUT you may be able to download because you're working with a raw un-encoded, un-resized source to splice with.

I've been working on doing a GOUT/SE hybrid script (in Avisynth), which is available at my thread for ANH so far. It only works with the PAL version since I don't have the NTSC discs, but for the most part it would be relatively simple to convert.

PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS THE FIRST VERSION, THE NEWEST VERSION IS IN THE FIRST POST IN THE TOPIC :)

Okay, here's the release I intend to make some further modifications to it shortly.

Converting to anamorphic does involve upscaling the picture slightly. This is almost the last thing any studio or mastering facility wants to do. The only benefit I can really see is one of convenience - of not having to adjust your 16:9 TV/projector to make the image fill the screen horizontally. I converted my set to anamorphic only for this reason. Remember that the laserdisc masters were originally only ever intended to be seen on a standard definition 4:3 screen, and when viewed this way they look barely distinguishable in terms of clarity from the anamorphic SE DVD's.

Now THAT'S slaming the door!


It's not the SIZE of the Death Star, it's how you use it...


BOOM!


We didn't cast you to be seen, now get out of the shot!

005 I noticed the following changes not on your list for Star Wars (ANH):

http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/StarWarsSpecialEditionChangesHD

When luke, chewie, han and OB1 first enter the "command center" the clerk lets them in my opening the door; its movement is CGI in the SE version (it's the only door they changed). Next... R2D2 is plugged in and the deathstar plans come up on the monitor; this has been recomposited and is smaller than the original. And one explosion that wasn't on your list... frame reference 151492. But I nearly fell over when I saw frame reference 161551 (leia's been moved the the center; but it's obviously a mistake in reframing it as you'll see if you look it up). Cropping like that you expect to find on a 4:3 transfer!!

Your list was so very useful to me :) thanks so much

^^I didn't use the gout chroma for the most part, only in a handful of scenes, that's why I color-corrected the two to fit together better (color corrected SE colors were usually better anyway, the gout is all washed out most of the time).

Good news everyone, I've completed the task. I'll post back soonish with the .avs files when they're ready. For now, I give you the complete cut list ("t" is a function that calls trim() I made it specifically so I could write comments as I went, I didn't use the comments that much though) There are very few SE elements left in, wipes I left in, some recomposits I left in... basically anything else was reverted to GOUT:

<snip> (If you want the list go the the first post and download the package).

Just to clarrify, I'm not having a go at 005, my comments were my only amusement and finding changes not on his comprehensive list was worth a mention! His list was really really valuable to me doing this :)

Just an update, I've been color correcting to get the SE and the GOUT to "match". It's not perfect, of course, but I've settled on this:

Special Edition:

Tint($FF7F00,10)
YLevels(0,1.14,255,0,255).Tweak(0,0.9)

GOUT:

Tint($007FFF,4)
YLevels(14,1.18,255,0,255).Tweak(-3,1.17)

GOUT on left, SE on right :)








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Just as althor1138 has been doing in his project, for some scenes I'll be doing a chroma-swap. The sunset scene - this is presently where I'm up to :)



That's the SE image with the GOUT chroma. :) A lot nicer than the SE grey of the sky.

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GOUT:

SE:


Here's an interesting scene. It's the cantina exit, and finishes with a wipe into this ugly SE mess:



The fix for this is a little more involved, instead of using GOUT-only footage, I've started with SE footage, then done a chroma-swap, and then a luma-swap right before the wipe.

GOUT:

SE:

Fixed:


Above you can see the exit itself, this is part-way through the blend now, you can clearly see the detail originally lost to DVNR restored through using the SE footage over the GOUT chroma. This is basically the same technique used to remove the 4-eyed stormtrooper, just with a chroma-blend as well as a luma blend.

Video file upped for anyone interested :)

I'd like to 2nd that... a decent SC rip could be useful to replace some of the GOUT.

# Subtitle file for use with GOUT-related projects.
# Please note, I have assumed you cropped your PAL image
# entirely to 720x432, or your NTSC image to 720x366 at
# this stage (and that you are adding any black boarders
# later). Variables have been used and are easily changable.
#
# Written by RU.08.

Mpeg2Source("SW_GOUT.d2v")

ANHSubs()

Function ANHSubs(clip input)
{input

#Values for PAL
l_pos = 374
ll_pos = 327
#values for NTSC
#l_pos = 317
#ll_pos = 277

DropSub("Going somewhere, Solo?", \
236,l_pos,70663,70698)
DropSub("It’s too late. Y", \
20,l_pos,70825,70933)
DropSub("ou should have paid him when you had the chance.", \
168,l_pos,70825,70933)
DropSub("Jabba’s put a price on your head so large every\nbounty hunter in the galaxy will be looking for you...", \
91,ll_pos,70940,71091)
DropSub("I’m lucky I found you first.", \
224,l_pos,71098,71137)
DropSub("If you give it to me, I might forget I found you.", \
115,l_pos,71203,71284)
DropSub("Jabba’s through with you.", \
229,l_pos,71365,71406)
DropSub("He has no time for smugglers...", \
198,l_pos,71433,71491)
DropSub("...who drop their shipments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser.", \
17,l_pos,71500,71597)
DropSub("Y", \
74,l_pos,71656,71750)
DropSub("ou can tell that to Jabba. He may only take your ship.", \
86,l_pos,71656,71750)
DropSub("That’s the idea.", \
280,l_pos,71806,71835)
DropSub("I’ve been looking forward to this for a long time.", \
108,l_pos,71843,71933)
return(last)
}

Function DropSub(clip input, string caption, int posX, int posY, int fStart, int fEnd)
{input
f = "AlternateGotNo3D"
f_wid = 9.8
f_spc = -1
f_col = $FFFFFF
#Values for PAL
f_siz = 40
f_lin = 56
#Values for NTSC
#f_siz = 33
#f_lin = 57
subtitle (caption,posX+2,posY+2,fStart,fEnd,f,f_siz,$000000,$7F000000,7,f_spc,f_lin,f_wid)
subtitle (caption,posX+1,posY+1,fStart,fEnd,f,f_siz,$000000,$00000000,7,f_spc,f_lin,f_wid)
subtitle (caption,posX, posY, fStart,fEnd,f,f_siz,f_col,$FF000000, 7,f_spc,f_lin,f_wid)
#The following line was used to calculate the centre of the subtitles...
#subtitle (caption,-1,200,fStart,fEnd,f,f_siz,f_col,$FF000000,8,f_spc,25,f_wid)
return(last)
}

Yes it does look the closest... now I've changed my mind!

Okay I think this is gunna have to come down to personal preference.

Puggo 16mm reference...



alternategotno3d...


(the words are too close together for my liking)

Franklin Gothic Medium Cond (used by g-force)...


^^This was the one I liked the most, until I found this:


AlternateGothic2 BT (from the same font family as alternategotno3d), this is now my favourite :)

And here, finally, is TradeGothic LT Bold...



I also completed the avisynth script... this script assumes if you're using PAL that you purged the first 13 frames to sync it to the SE! I think they're correct NTSC frame numbers?

# Subtitle file for use with GOUT-related projects.
# Please note, I have assumed you cropped your PAL image
# entirely to 720x432, or your NTSC image to 720x366 at
# this stage (and that you are adding any black boarders
# later). Variables have been used and are easily changable.
#
# Written by RU.08.

Mpeg2Source("SW_GOUT.d2v")

ANHSubs()

Function ANHSubs(clip input)
{input

#Values for PAL
l_pos = 374
ll_pos = 327
#values for NTSC
#l_pos = 317
#ll_pos = 277
DropSub("Going somewhere, Solo?", \
237,l_pos,70663,70698)
DropSub("It’s too late. You should have paid him when you had the chance.", \
29,l_pos,70825,70933)
DropSub("Jabba’s put a price on your head so large every\nbounty hunter in the galaxy will be looking for you...", \
95,ll_pos,70940,71091)
DropSub("I’m lucky I found you first.", \
225,l_pos,71098,71137)
DropSub("If you give it to me, I might forget I found you.", \
124,l_pos,71203,71284)
DropSub("Jabba’s through with you.", \
231,l_pos,71365,71406)
DropSub("He has no time for smugglers...", \
200,l_pos,71433,71491)
DropSub("...who drop their shipments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser.", \
19,l_pos,71500,71597)
DropSub("You can tell that to Jabba. He may only take your ship.", \
82,l_pos,71656,71750)
DropSub("That’s the idea.", \
278,l_pos,71806,71835)
DropSub("I’ve been looking forward to this for a long time.", \
114,l_pos,71843,71933)
return(last)
}

Function DropSub(clip input, string caption, int posX, int posY, int fStart, int fEnd)
{input
f = "AlternateGothic2 BT"
f_wid = 10.2
f_spc = -1
f_col = $FFFFFF
#Values for PAL
f_siz = 43
f_lin = 32
#Values for NTSC
#f_siz = 37
#f_lin = 25
subtitle (caption,posX+2,posY+2,fStart,fEnd,f,f_siz,$000000,$7F000000,7,f_spc,f_lin,f_wid)
subtitle (caption,posX+1,posY+1,fStart,fEnd,f,f_siz,$000000,$00000000,7,f_spc,f_lin,f_wid)
subtitle (caption,posX, posY, fStart,fEnd,f,f_siz,f_col,$FF000000, 7,f_spc,f_lin,f_wid)
#The following line was used to calculate the centre of the subtitles...
#subtitle (caption,-1,200,fStart,fEnd,f,f_siz,f_col,$FF000000,8,f_spc,25,f_wid)
return(last)
}

^^I thought so too ;) plus I used three layers, not two :) (the third layer is love, lots of it, from anakin skywalker) tbh franklin gothic looks nicer to my eye, the main difference between that and the subs on the first page being that the serifs seem to raise above the letters... this thread here seems to indicate alternategotno3d might be the go, I'll check it out and report back later :)

-edit-

found the font :)

I'm working with the PAL discs, but it should be (relativly) "portable". I'm actually running the G-FORCE script on ANH atm without the AA or resizing (I'll do it later), total encode time 16hrs 44mins... that's significantly faster than last time I did it, so I'km thinking the AA (anti aliasing) takes up far more time than I previously thought :(... oh well, at least it will mean that when complete every scene only needs to be resized once, not twice (when matching the cropping of the SE/GOUT together exactly as in the scene I posted above) :) I'm going off this list here...

http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/StarWarsSpecialEditionChangesHD

The once thing, so far, that I don't care about from the SE is the fades ("optical wipes").