I've never done a side-by-side comparison, I don't know if it was converted to PAL from NTSC, scanned separately in a telesync (like the GOUT ROTJ was), or converted from PAL to NTSC. I'll have a look shortly and post some screenshots.
I have both the original PAL and the NTSC DVDs. I can upload the PAL version to a tracker if you would like?
(edit to add...) The PAL version was released in 1999, not 1997.
Personally, I think if he put cleaned/stabilised probe over the original it would look better - I don't at all like how the snow dunes/hills look in the filtered version. Parts of the probe have become thinner in the clean-up process.
It's just my opinion, and honest feedback. The Despecialised Edition is Harmy's baby and it will look however he likes best; no one is going to agree 100% with every opinion a restore makes or each decision that he or she makes with their work. Overall Harmy's work is outstanding, indeed invaluable, and most of us here share that opinion.
Yes, but in the past, like when the OT was originally scanned for the 2004 DVD (which I believe was in 2002), the standards were different. Did they even do 4k restorations in 2002?
There's a lot to like in the PT, and in the theatre I really enjoyed ATOC. It's not as enjoyable with repeat viewings as other films, but then neither is ROTJ. Personally I think ROTJ is the weakest of the OT, and that ROTS is the weakest of the PT.
Harmy said:
While I'm waiting for more ROTJ 35mm footage, I decided to take Team N1's recent Grindhouse release of Empire and start experimenting with it for ESB v2.5 and here's the result:
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Harmy, with no disrespect intended, I don't like how that looks; it's like taking DVNR to the extreme. To my eye I prefer the 2.0 to the 2.5 in that shot.
Good luck with you future versions though, the work you've done is really commendable, and I take my hat off to you for taking on these projects. :)
They're also on Demonoid...
No I mean the Greedo font is bold.
It would be nice if Disney bought M Verta's restoration for release, could work perfectly alongside their commissioned 4k restoration of (what we're all assuming is) the 1997 SE. It would also get a lot more disgruntled fans back on-side by showing the SW-fan community they are listening and willing to engage.
The shadow alignment is similar to Greedo's, except that it's blue not black and the letters are a lot thinner. I wonder why they changed the credit's font though for Empire Strikes Back?
Docsap did say he's working on restoring a 35mm version he's had scanned, so it may be that he has the original optical mono audio and knows how it sounds, or it may be that he's aware of what was inserted or changed in the Laserdisc (if indeed there was anything done to it to alter it).
Well not to burst your bubble, but I can see a torrent that has the exact disc (French Saw III dir cut) full BD, and I can see other torrents that have the Dir Cuts for the first two films as well, full BD rips. So if nothing else, it would just be redundant. Preservation refers to something that's not available at all at retail, not something that is available but inconvenient due to region coding, etc. I'm certainly not saying you can't share them, I fully believe in filesharing, just that I don't think they qualify as "preservations".
Funcha said:
Saw I - III Director's Cuts (No work completed yet, but won't take long to do)Finally obtained the French releases featuring the Director's Cuts in 6.1 sound and will be transferring to new disks with their various extras.
What you mean this one:
People can already buy it, how does it qualify for a "fanedit" release or preservation?
Wazzles said:
That's not the point. I just don't want a Reddit account.
Good then stop complaining.
All good, I was just wondering about your earlier comment that compared to your print, Team -1's "looks like an archival print". Yours should have much better colour clarity than their "grindhoused version" if nothing else.
It'd be interesting to see what it looks like after a clean, have you got back any cleaned scenes yet or is that still a while off? And am I right to assume that the person (or people) who is scanning this for you will also colour correct it as part of the scanning process?
skyjedi2005 said:
I loved Ray Parks martial arts work, his kendo etc.
Thought Ewan was good as well.
But it seems a lot more visual, less than anything above a physical confrontation.
It lacked the meeting of mental Wills.
Yep, and same thing, well even more-so, with Anakin v.s. Obi-Wan in Revenge of the Sith. Fighting over lava is so unnecessary when we already know how the fight ends from the start (both survive).
But with the Episode I fight - it always bothered me when Obi-Wan immediately kills Darth Maul - I would have liked to see them at least fight for a bit. The other thing that bothers me about the fight is that Qui-Gon engages him without waiting for his apprentice to catch up - that's not a good battle plan, they should have taken him together, just as Obi-Wan instructs Anakin to do against Dooku in the following film.
Oh isn't difficult at all since they come from the same scan - this isn't to proper settings, but you get the idea.
Sources:
Yellow outline on the 84 Ent source, Red on the Arrow source, and Cyan on the cropping dimensions:
Then resize 16x9:
That shot is the only one in the entire film where anything from the 84 disc is put back on top of the Arrow, in order to get rid of the floating Terror at the text.
Hey, just letting everyone know I've been doing other things atm, but I'll get back to this soon. :) I also have 2x new HDDs I need to install sometime in the next few days.
That question itself is an oxymoron.
Who cares who's on the team Frink? They identify as a team, that should be that.
I have put up a re-synced BD compatible version with Harmy's audios on demonoid for anyone that's interested. Not trying to reinvent the wheel, but a number of people reported playback problems, and of course I wanted a version with Harmy's audios. Team -1 is aware I've done this, they didn't seem to mind. It would of course be better to sync all the audios to their version rather than do what I did and sync the video, but that's a project for someone else I'm afraid!
That's not true, the main file itself should fit on a BD-R (without the extras). The main issue is that it's not BD compatible and your player may or may not be able to play it.
Yeah, I have to agree with Mabimao. Wheeldeal, the issues you've raised (except the isolated score) are incorrect. You can easily download the Team -1 35mm version and see for yourself.
Okay here are some comparisons against Harmy's version:
http://www.screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/106388
There are plenty more differences than just that, here's some of what I noticed: All the optical wipes are different in the SE and also Harmys. All the re-compositing is different because Harmy's is primarily based on the SE; and this includes scenes where the ships etc are partially transparant (over plants, over other spaceships, over the clouds in cloud city and of course over the snow on Hoth), Harmy partially restored this on Hoth but not in other areas of the film. The matte-lines are visible and hard, and in some cases the original models had been replaced in later versions of the film. The placement of compositing can differ to later versions also. And finally, all scenes that have special effects or optical wipes have additional layers of film grain - as you would expect.
team_negative1 said:
I guess we should have put some kind of smiley face or sarcasm tag on it. Of course George Lucas approves. He's the one that released it in that manner.
Team Negative1
More important than that, the director of the film the late Irvin Kershner would approve.
@pittrek I'm seeding, make sure you have an approved client.