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FrankT said:

Anyway, if I can get a loan, and pay the collector to ship the film to Britain, I can get someone to scan the film on my behalf. Then I sell the film off, reclaim my losses and pay my loan back. What could go wrong?! All I need is that someone to scan the film, and somewhere to store it in the meantime.

Actually, depending from where the film is sold you’d be better off looking for someone to hold it for you in its country of origin, and then look for the closet affordable scanner in the nearest region to the location of the film.

Anyway looks like I’ll be starting a 35mm project soonish, not based on one of these films, but another well known animation. So keep an eye out I’ll post about it in the next few days or so. 😉

Bingowings said:

Scott109 said:

Is the romance between Anakin and Padmé really that unrealistic? I think it is a psychologically accurate portrayal of a woman falling in love with a man suffering from Bipolar Disorder, an occurrence which happens much more frequently than you would imagine.

What?

I know right?

Of course the story makes sense. That’s not the issue. When I first saw AotC in cinemas with friends one of them quite confidently said it was their favourite Star Wars movie, and no one at all was disappointed in it.

I don’t think GL is trying to make any statement whatsoever about psychological disorders.

Normative life in films is boring, and if you look back to first movie what we see is that a farm-boy living a normative life is put into an extraordinary position in the first act of the movie. Yet in AotC, Anakin is very much living the “normal” Jedi life at least well into the second act. I don’t think it’s a bad movie, but there is clear room for improvement especially in the second act of the film. It does have a strong third act, I’m not sure that Yoda fighting Dooku was the right move, but let me tell you on premiere the audience loved it. But the reason they loved it wasn’t because it was a great scene - they loved seeing Yoda step outside of his normative behaviour.

Anyway, For a good while I used to think that AotC was my favourite prequel. I absolutely loathed Sith with its weak and predictable third act. But over time AotC has become my least favourite of the prequels. It was far less original than TPM,and ended on a really pathetic cliff-hanger that we all knew the outcome of. ESB ended on a real cliff-hanger. There was also a clear lack of new characters to the franchise. It would have been nice to have explored the back-story of Sidious, but that wasn’t done either.

clutchins said:

How much until the total is reached now? I want to donate but I’m a broke college student.

Yeah, I have no funds right now either. I’d echo what thxita said, but note that you can always donate to this or another 35mm project in the future - even 4 or 5 years from now when you’re out of college and earning big bucks!. 😄

towne32 said:

Regardless of what happened with Mike involving a Tech print, he was a crappy collaborator by refusing to share resources after having been gifted some himself. Though he must have been generous to have shared scans with Harmy.

That’s not the version I heard. I’ll PM you the version I heard.

alexp120 said:

I would like to know that, also.
I feel that if a person donates to a project like this, he shouldn’t have to have the hassle of going through a torrent to get the completed project.
Perhaps if this project can be uploaded for a limited time. The link of this project can be sent to those that donated to the project and they will have limited time to download it before the file is removed.

I’m pretty sure that any detonators would have their request for a copy duly accommodated in some way. 😉 Not much point in discussing it though until there’s an actual release!

I’m really looking forward to what this project brings, IIRC the original plan was to simply recolour the 4KBD (and insert the full torture sequence) and release it in both cuts… but it would be so lovely to have a cleaned 3rd party scan of the film instead! So perhaps the project will fork in future, and people who have the technical abilities to clean up the scans would work on cleaning them for a release similar to TN1’s “silver screen edition”?

towne32 said:

That group would be so much better off if they ditched negative1.

How do you know that? Just because he wasn’t the best spokesperson doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good contributing team member. From everything that Williarob said he was a good member of the group. None of us really know, unless we were a part of TN1, whether any particular member of the group was a thorn so to speak or not.

Interesting.

“For example, an actively decaying film at A-D Strip level 1.5, stored near or at room conditions, may reach critical condition (A-D Strip level 2) within five years. The same film kept in cold storage (e.g., 2°C, 50% RH) may take 75 years to experience a similar change.” link

blah blah blah “Decaying films stored at cold or freezing temperatures need to be rechecked at least every 25 years.” LOL!

thxita said:

The decay has just started and hasn’t affected the colors nor the film itself yet.

WOW, I never knew that “vinegar syndrome” was unstoppable once started! Here’s a picture of a film that’s decayed due to the process:

Ouch indeed.

I like the shifting aspect ratio in the Dark Knight. I’d like it more if the whole movie was 1.77:1 though.

@yotsuya. All film has grain. Plus release prints have 3 generations of grain embedded in the image itself.

Sweet, congrats on your purchase cybr1d. 😃

cybr1d said:

I’m still on the fence about the purchase, but it’s hard to say no to owning the film.

Well you can always re-sell it. The only thing I’d point out to you is that the cost to strike a brand new 2hr 35mm print from the IP is about $2000 (if I’m not mistaken). So you do have to consider that the asking price is about twice what it would theoretically cost to strike a new print, baring in mind though that you can’t get new prints of this film though. My point being that you can always re-sell it later if you store it right and keep it in the condition you got it in, but there’s no guarantee of its value later on. If you do get it, yes people would love to get it scanned at 4K I’m sure! 😃

Possessed said:

You’re in an odd forum then.

Monks is a long-time member at Fanres (well as long as that site’s been around haha), someone there probably pointed him here. 😃 The discussion definitely goes beyond just SW. You could say, clean up a LD rip this way if you wanted to.

That would probably work

canofhumdingers said:

Thanks for the help, gentlemen. That muxing stuff is way beyond me, I’m totally new to it all but I’ll keep at it.

You can do it directly with ffmpeg without demuxing if you want:

ffmpeg -i 02-ESB_Grindhouse_1080p_BD25.mkv -c:v copy -c:a ac3 -b:a 640k -map 0 02-ESB_Grindhouse_1080p_BD25_ac3.mkv

In fact that’s probably what I should have posted the first time. That’s easy, you can do that.

towne32 said:

You’re welcome. But Williarob was the one who pointed out this ‘feature’. Additionally, if one wanted to get really tricky without really breaking the rules, their trial of the free version can export as well. So in theory you could make sure everything is perfect in the PLE before using that version. In reality you’ll find something you hate about the export you thought was perfect the day before the trial ended. 😃

Yeah cool I hear what you’re saying.

The OP just needs to make the rendering part! 😃

1. Demux the audio stream from the MKV (use MKVcleaver).

2. Compress the audio using FFMPEG or the software of your choice to AC3 or AAC or your choice of format. Here’s the command-line:

   ffmpeg -i 02-ESB_Grindhouse_1080p_BD25_Track01.wav -b:a 640k -vn 02-ESB_Grindhouse_1080p_BD25_Track01.ac3

3. Mux using MKVtoolnix gui, and remember to uncheck the PCM track.

Blue_Harvest said:

towne32 said:

Project files from the free ‘personal learning edition’ are compatible with the full version. So if you’re not the one who is going to be doing the heavy rendering anyway, that’s an option.

That’s interesting.
It would be a pleasure for me to help in that way (if what I propose in the first place is not possible)

I will download the Learning Edition and give it a try.

Yeah that is interesting Towne, thanks for that insight! 😃

True, but just think: it could be used by many thousands of film restorers for many thousands of future film-based preservation/restoration projects. Even if it took you 5 years to develop it it could prove useful for the next 50 years!

Of course, if you’d prefer to buy PF Clean and volunteer to clean-up frames I’m sure the they’d let you sign up for dirt and scratch removal.

To DrDre-
What is clear is that the relationship between -1 and MikeV soured, and that this incident might have been the tipping point. Williarob said that P2 paid for the scan and therefore he owns it, whereas Mike said that he was entrusted with a copy for safekeeping. We’ll have to wait for a full response from Mike, but it could be that Mike agrees that the scan was paid for by P2 but that ownership of the scan resides with P3 as that was a condition of the scan, or something similar.

To Williarob-
I don’t think anyone thinks you personally did anything wrong. If I paid $30,000 for a scan of a 35mm print that is worth about $2,000 new, then yes I would feel I had complete ownership over it as the value of the scan well exceeds the value of the print itself. Frankly that is a pretty solid argument.

Mike made the claim that TN1 “stole the scans”, so the onus of proof is on him, and if he doesn’t offer anything more I think the only logical conclusion is that TN1 is not guilty of misappropriating any scans. 😃

The evidence presented does refute part of MikeV’s claim, but it doesn’t refute the allegation that “Person 3 didn’t want TN1 to get their hands on a copy”. But even if that is true, TN1 didn’t do anything with the scan?

It is still being done. TN1 appears to have broken up, but it appears that some of the ex-members are reforming into a new group or considering other ways of how they can move forward.

It’s my understanding that most cleanup is done in PF Clean, and that Photoshop is only used for really damaged frames. I have no idea how PF Clean works, but it’s my understanding anyway that its duplication tool is significantly more advanced as it can use the frames which exist either side of it to guide it towards a more accurate clean-up.

Also each 4k scan is something like 20 TB in size.

Oh I forgot to mention, as a Software Engineer the greatest contribution you could make is to create an open-source alternative to PF Clean - that would allow many more people who don’t have $6k to spend on it to contribute to such projects.

Williarob said:

But don’t you see? My Story and Mike’s Story are exactly the same.

No they’re not the same at all. Here’s the important bit of Mike’s story:

mverta said:

By the way, I notice there is talk about “speculation” regarding the “unethical” use of scans. There is no need for speculation, I am happy to provide the specific facts. They are as follows:

…

Early on, I was loaned the “Spanish” print by -1. I didn’t end up using much of it, but I had it scanned at 4K. I was also loaned a “so-so” Tech by Person #2, and a really nice Tech by Person #3. For safety, Person #2 was given digital copies of both his AND Person #3’s scans. Person #2 was, at the time, assumed trustworthy, if for no other reason than self-interest. But then things changed. Person #2 decided to give ALL the scans in his possession to -1. Person #3 rightfully freaked the fuck out - he wanted nothing to do with -1, for all the reasons which should now be clear, but it was too late.

In your version…

• Mike freaks out, not Person 3
• Prior to the incident, TN1 was on good terms with Person 3 and only soured after it (if at all)
• Person 2 paid for the scan and therefore owns the “master copy” (or one of up to three master copies)
• Person 2 was neither irresponsible nor did he betray anyone’s trust
• The real “dispute” was between Mike and poita, not between TN1 and “Person 3”

Those are some pretty big differences.

mverta said:

You must have a different 2004 DVD than I do, because what I have was unnecessary and unforgivable for any era, and most of it still rippled into the Blu-Ray even now.

Did it look worse than the original Blade Runner DVD (before the 2006 restoration)?

Laserschwert said:

I’ve gotta say, I didn’t really understand MV’s jab at the Silverscreen release.

I agree. Without an inflated ego -1 wouldn’t have begun the project in the first place.

BMadden said:

If Disney/LFL passes on the 4K Legacy version for release on the 40th anniversary of ANH then they’re just as clueless now as they were when Uncle George was in charge. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever they could give for not putting that on store shelves(and in theaters for that matter) next year.

It’s not that simple they have to cooperate with Fox. Remember how long Blade Runner took to get a high quality restoration done and released? People wanted it done for the Film’s 20th anniversary, Ridley Scott wanted that, the film’s distributors wanted that, but it took another 4 years to sort through getting all the rights-holders to cooperate on it. The delay was ultimately a good thing for the restoration because technology had improved and the restoration that was done was a truly definitive version unlikely to be bettered any time soon - even now 10 years on.

Anyway, Legacy is not the only 4K restoration. There is also one done by Reliance Media Works, and that version hasn’t been release yet either - not even on DCP!