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I’m indifferent as to the whole Mike/technicolor thing at this point. Whatever happened, it seems like it was a complete mess on both sides and escalated into silliness. Hell, I agree with negative1 that it sucks that the torrent was removed from myspleen.

(edit to clarify …)
P2 and P3 are collectors that own (or owned) prints of SW. Both loaned them to Mike, and P2 paid for both to be scanned. This is where it gets complicated. P2 held raw copies of both scans, and agreed to give them both to N1. N1 either believed here that he had the knowledge and consent of P3, or believed he didn’t need it, and we don’t really know which it was. As it happened, P3 did not want his scan to be publicly released. Mike found out about this and was (probably justifiably) furious. What happened next is the important bit…

Mike convinced P2 not to give N1 a copy of either scan (including P2’s scan of P2’s print that P2 paid for). N1 would have viewed that as vindictive and unnecessary for the purposes of protecting P3 and P3’s wishes. Later Mike asked to rescan the Spanish LPP and N1 said no. So really it’s my opinion they both share culpability in that mess, especially if it is indeed true that N1 knew that P3 didn’t want people other than P2 and Mike accessing his scan.
(end edit - hopefully that’s accurate)

But other aspects are indeed “disasters”, and I don’t agree that his work is a free pass for his behavior (nor should anyone’s be).

Well, it’s his prerogative if he wants to go onto Myspleen and ask for the torrents to be removed, it’s up the Spleen admins to decide what to do. Rob didn’t exactly interject in the matter either. N1 came on here and asked for all these threads to be locked, and they weren’t. And again, none of the ex-members interjected (besides of course ignoring it and continuing to post). It’s odd behaviour yes, but it’s hardly worth bashing someone over. As I said ages back, if it’s not on the Spleen it’s not the end of the world, it’ll surely pop up on another tracker.

towne32 said:

Heh, always the biggest negative1 apologist on the site. And now literally demanding apologies from people posting on the myspleen comments. 😃

You don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Remember, N1 bought the print himself. He loaned it to poita and to MikeV so they could have their own scans of it done, and I believe (but do correct me if I’m wrong) that poita’s restoration is based on N1’s Spanish LPP as the primary print. Anyway, if you want to bash anyone and focus all that negative rage somewhere useful, aim it at Lucas, Disney, or JJ Abrams! 😄

(edit to clarify): Poita is in fact not using the Spanish print in his restoration.

monol0g said:

When I use makemkv, I see two 35GB files. Do I use title00 or title01 to create an MKV or is there any difference at all?? I would appreciate an answer 😄! And thank you again. this blu ray is amazing

As above, but also you can open the playlist files in media player classic or VLC to work it out. You can also use mkvtoolnix and us the playlist as the input file.

joefavs said:

I’ve asked this twice before and it’s gotten lost in the shuffle, but now that I actually have the thing it’s become more pressing. Can someone tell me whether it’s possible to mux the 5.1 into the existing BD with the seamless branching using some manner of freeware, or am I going to need to make an MKV?

Making an MKV would be the easiest option. But yes you could mux it with TSmuxer so long as you split the file first into the two parts first (flyover and main movie).

Wazzles said:

Please for the love of God put it on MYSPLEEN. I can only use MYSPLEEN for religious reasons.

Yes I too am an Orthodox Kopimist.

towne32 said:

Obviously, this is just my interpretation as he has not made any attempt to clarify his intentions. However, his deletion spree began right after that preview was removed. He is temporarily “allowing” this one so long as no one attempts to discuss behind the scenes aspects in the myspleen comment section.

I don’t blame him at all for being pissed off at people trashing his name, and constantly being dicks to him all because of an allegation made against him by one person.

Oh and @Williarob - NOOO! You removed the sacred burn marks!! 😦 I guess I’ll have to make my own version.

Dek Rollins said:

Will an MKV of v1.5 (non-branching '77 crawl, of course) be in order, since the subtitle sync in the BD structure is the only issue with the release?

Making an MKV from the BD is straightforward. You can use mkvtoolnix-gui or makemkv beta. Both are “drag and drop” operations.

Williarob said:

Also, you said the teaser scan wasn’t included, but it is, along with the other two trailers that were included with 1.0, or am I misunderstanding?

My bad you’re right! The only thing on my wish-list is the scanned 81 crawl & flyover.

towne32 said:

I know you’ve done quite a bit of analysis of some of these flags in commercial discs, Valeyard, but it turns out to be quite simple to set up seamless branching with the right software.

You can do the same yourself. I looked at Blade Runner, Alien 3, T2 Skynet, and they all look identical. And you can compare to even more discs with the menus - they always start with “1” for the c value of the first entry and then “5” for all other entries, no exceptions, & “In Time” is always 11.650 seconds (branching is done in the same way to seamlessly looping menus). Changing those settings in BDEdit shouldn’t be difficult or cause any problems for the disc.

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yotsuya said:

I can’t speak for Darth Lucas about the recreation of the 81 crawl, but my purpose has been to recreate what was seen on LD and home video.

I think that sums it up well: you’re recreating the home video experience, whereas the SSE aims to recreate the cinema experience. I’m not saying that Rob should use one or the other for the BD ISO, just that I’d prefer the scan not the recreation. Perhaps he could simply make an alternate MT2S file that we could use as a drop-in replacement? That way everyone’s happy. 😃

Also Rob (& others who worked on v1.5), great work on this!! I haven’t had a chance to look it through yet. I love the name “Silver Screen Edition” and I think you should keep it.

As for branching that some people have said isn’t seamless - this could be because the playlist settings are not correct. When I open up the playlists in BDEdit they show a 10 minute in-time instead of 10 seconds (11.650 seconds is usually what I see on commercial discs) - Rob you might want to fix that, even if it means opening up the playlists in BDEdit and changing them manually after the disc is built. Also, I noticed you didn’t include the Teaser scan - it would be nice to include that on the next version if possible. Also the menus should be set up in the same way, and they aren’t in the SW 1.5 ISO (i.e. 11.65 seconds in-time and first item has a value of “1” under “c” column while other items are “5”), again you can change all those values using BDEdit after the disc is built if needed and it should work fine (but make sure you test it and keep a backup of the playlists). 😃

Here’s a graphic showing what I mean.

The credits may have been created in SD and not on film, this is often the case actually. A good example is the German trilogy (which I found on BSZ and put on the Spleen) - Krieg der Sterne (Star Wars) had German credits in the earlier releases, but English in the THX release - and the Greedo subtitles differed as well between releases. The other two films have English credits in all releases in that set.

Williarob said:

I only have one version of it on 35mm, which was included with v1.0. Almost none of the stars are visible and Poita has confirmed that most of the prints he has are the same. Darth Lucas and Yotsuya have both been working on reconstructing the '81 crawl and flyover using starfields they created themselves based on laserdisc and ESB references, however Poita recently posted a high resolution star field from an '81 print which he had worked some magic on…

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Remastering-the-1981-Episode-IV-TitleCrawlFlyover/id/49668

Oh right, yeah I’ve found the clip from the v1 SSE release. It seemed a strange choice to splice in a recreation for a project that is otherwise purely based on scanned material, I’d personally rather see the real 81 crawl than the recreated one that contains an amplified starfield (noting what poita said - audiences would have seen a mostly starless picture for the 81 crawl).

I was curious about the crawl as well - surely either you or Poita have a scan of the faded 81 crawl?

towne32 said:

Are you suggesting that Rogue1 is not Negative1?

I’m suggesting that I don’t know and don’t care if they’re the same or not. Is Jedi1 the same person as well then?

The person who asked for it to be removed (or rather, for the previous huge batch of deletions) is the former member known as negative1. The individual who lied about leaving the group, and the sole user of the team negative 1 OT account.

Yeah he lied about leaving the group but so who cares about that? That’s public relations not a reflection of a toxic internal team environment.

I have it downloading as well, it is not about that.

Has it been brought up on the myspleen forums before? Those guys are super liberal about SW stuff normally.

Let’s wait until we hear from the members that worked on it. The only reason it annoys me is because I’d like us to build a stronger base with Spleen and Blu when it comes to 35mm - if we support them they support us.

towne32 said:

Ughhhhh. It’s so damn frustrating. Just look at the readme for this release and see how damn awesome Williarob is. And how much work he put into this. He even ignored Negative1’s idiotic fear of BD50s (presumably just because he can’t figure out how to burn them himself). Just to have it shat on by Negative 1.

That’s unfounded. Negative1 didn’t ask for it to be removed, Rogue1 did.

How fucking perplexing is it that he works “under” such a terrible, awful (ex) member of the community like Negative1.

Again, I have never heard the ex-TN1 members say that Negative1 is a bad guy - not Rob or any of the others.

I wouldn’t get too worked up, I have the torrent downloading and someone is bound to put it up on Blu (if it’s not already there).

Correct me if I’m wrong on this one, but didn’t the team actually authorise v1 going to Spleen through “MrNiceGuy” in the first place?

I don’t get it, Negative1 didn’t care that version 1 was on the Spleen and only asked for it to be removed in preparation for the new version - yet now Rogue1 is saying “they” don’t want the new version on a tracker either? What gives! Why was there no mention at all of that in this thread?

WTF seriously?

I’ve sent you a PM my friend!

Dek Rollins said:

This is just an early grindhouse we’re talking about, though. If it was the final product, sure, 30-40GB is great!

Yeah but as I mentioned, you need those extra bits for all the dirt and scratches. The final product would be more compressible due to less random 1-frame noise appearing. Anyway that’s just my suggestion. 😄

Dek Rollins said:

Yeah, I don’t think I’d want to bother with something too large when it’s not the final product. 😄

I really don’t care what all it is as long as a 10-20GB down-convert is shared.

In terms of quality though, a higher bitrate is required to deliver the same quality that you would get from a cleaner de-grained video (like stuff shot directly to digital). If you were to use CRF for x264 in the range of 16-18 for the video I’d predict it would come out at a size greater than 30GB. Do keep in mind that even 40GB is heavily compressed.

dahmage said:

i would vote for the grindhouse to have:
1080p at around 20 gb, so that we can see all those scratches nice and crisp
no strong feelings about title cards
realign color unless it messes with scratches somehow?
leave missing frames missing

I agree, although I’d say even aim for a size of 30-40 GB, with both the Italian audio and synced 16mm audio (if possible). We can always produce versions further compressed to 20GB or 10GB @ 720p etc for people who want smaller file sizes.

For the record I am keeping an eye out for other reasonably priced Disney prints, and I’m sure so are others.

Dek Rollins said:

The entire TPM DVD has a slight pink cast on the color. No clue on the HDTV, though.

EDIT: And I’d want a 35mm TPM because it’s the only PT film I’ll probably ever watch again due nostalgia, and that needs to be the theatrical version, which I would want to look it’s best (i.e. it’s best to have print grain IMO).

Yep I corrected that. But I don’t really know for certain how it looked on 35mm as the only source for that is the Z-VCD bootleg.

It’s a bit expensive just for a trailer. I will look into getting one scanned though. There might be someone that already has the trailer and can have it scanned.