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yotsuya said:

I can’t speak for Darth Lucas about the recreation of the 81 crawl, but my purpose has been to recreate what was seen on LD and home video.

I think that sums it up well: you’re recreating the home video experience, whereas the SSE aims to recreate the cinema experience. I’m not saying that Rob should use one or the other for the BD ISO, just that I’d prefer the scan not the recreation. Perhaps he could simply make an alternate MT2S file that we could use as a drop-in replacement? That way everyone’s happy. 😃

Also Rob (& others who worked on v1.5), great work on this!! I haven’t had a chance to look it through yet. I love the name “Silver Screen Edition” and I think you should keep it.

As for branching that some people have said isn’t seamless - this could be because the playlist settings are not correct. When I open up the playlists in BDEdit they show a 10 minute in-time instead of 10 seconds (11.650 seconds is usually what I see on commercial discs) - Rob you might want to fix that, even if it means opening up the playlists in BDEdit and changing them manually after the disc is built. Also, I noticed you didn’t include the Teaser scan - it would be nice to include that on the next version if possible. Also the menus should be set up in the same way, and they aren’t in the SW 1.5 ISO (i.e. 11.65 seconds in-time and first item has a value of “1” under “c” column while other items are “5”), again you can change all those values using BDEdit after the disc is built if needed and it should work fine (but make sure you test it and keep a backup of the playlists). 😃

Here’s a graphic showing what I mean.

The credits may have been created in SD and not on film, this is often the case actually. A good example is the German trilogy (which I found on BSZ and put on the Spleen) - Krieg der Sterne (Star Wars) had German credits in the earlier releases, but English in the THX release - and the Greedo subtitles differed as well between releases. The other two films have English credits in all releases in that set.

Williarob said:

I only have one version of it on 35mm, which was included with v1.0. Almost none of the stars are visible and Poita has confirmed that most of the prints he has are the same. Darth Lucas and Yotsuya have both been working on reconstructing the '81 crawl and flyover using starfields they created themselves based on laserdisc and ESB references, however Poita recently posted a high resolution star field from an '81 print which he had worked some magic on…

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Remastering-the-1981-Episode-IV-TitleCrawlFlyover/id/49668

Oh right, yeah I’ve found the clip from the v1 SSE release. It seemed a strange choice to splice in a recreation for a project that is otherwise purely based on scanned material, I’d personally rather see the real 81 crawl than the recreated one that contains an amplified starfield (noting what poita said - audiences would have seen a mostly starless picture for the 81 crawl).

I was curious about the crawl as well - surely either you or Poita have a scan of the faded 81 crawl?

towne32 said:

Are you suggesting that Rogue1 is not Negative1?

I’m suggesting that I don’t know and don’t care if they’re the same or not. Is Jedi1 the same person as well then?

The person who asked for it to be removed (or rather, for the previous huge batch of deletions) is the former member known as negative1. The individual who lied about leaving the group, and the sole user of the team negative 1 OT account.

Yeah he lied about leaving the group but so who cares about that? That’s public relations not a reflection of a toxic internal team environment.

I have it downloading as well, it is not about that.

Has it been brought up on the myspleen forums before? Those guys are super liberal about SW stuff normally.

Let’s wait until we hear from the members that worked on it. The only reason it annoys me is because I’d like us to build a stronger base with Spleen and Blu when it comes to 35mm - if we support them they support us.

towne32 said:

Ughhhhh. It’s so damn frustrating. Just look at the readme for this release and see how damn awesome Williarob is. And how much work he put into this. He even ignored Negative1’s idiotic fear of BD50s (presumably just because he can’t figure out how to burn them himself). Just to have it shat on by Negative 1.

That’s unfounded. Negative1 didn’t ask for it to be removed, Rogue1 did.

How fucking perplexing is it that he works “under” such a terrible, awful (ex) member of the community like Negative1.

Again, I have never heard the ex-TN1 members say that Negative1 is a bad guy - not Rob or any of the others.

I wouldn’t get too worked up, I have the torrent downloading and someone is bound to put it up on Blu (if it’s not already there).

Correct me if I’m wrong on this one, but didn’t the team actually authorise v1 going to Spleen through “MrNiceGuy” in the first place?

I don’t get it, Negative1 didn’t care that version 1 was on the Spleen and only asked for it to be removed in preparation for the new version - yet now Rogue1 is saying “they” don’t want the new version on a tracker either? What gives! Why was there no mention at all of that in this thread?

WTF seriously?

I’ve sent you a PM my friend!

Dek Rollins said:

This is just an early grindhouse we’re talking about, though. If it was the final product, sure, 30-40GB is great!

Yeah but as I mentioned, you need those extra bits for all the dirt and scratches. The final product would be more compressible due to less random 1-frame noise appearing. Anyway that’s just my suggestion. 😄

Dek Rollins said:

Yeah, I don’t think I’d want to bother with something too large when it’s not the final product. 😄

I really don’t care what all it is as long as a 10-20GB down-convert is shared.

In terms of quality though, a higher bitrate is required to deliver the same quality that you would get from a cleaner de-grained video (like stuff shot directly to digital). If you were to use CRF for x264 in the range of 16-18 for the video I’d predict it would come out at a size greater than 30GB. Do keep in mind that even 40GB is heavily compressed.

dahmage said:

i would vote for the grindhouse to have:
1080p at around 20 gb, so that we can see all those scratches nice and crisp
no strong feelings about title cards
realign color unless it messes with scratches somehow?
leave missing frames missing

I agree, although I’d say even aim for a size of 30-40 GB, with both the Italian audio and synced 16mm audio (if possible). We can always produce versions further compressed to 20GB or 10GB @ 720p etc for people who want smaller file sizes.

For the record I am keeping an eye out for other reasonably priced Disney prints, and I’m sure so are others.

Dek Rollins said:

The entire TPM DVD has a slight pink cast on the color. No clue on the HDTV, though.

EDIT: And I’d want a 35mm TPM because it’s the only PT film I’ll probably ever watch again due nostalgia, and that needs to be the theatrical version, which I would want to look it’s best (i.e. it’s best to have print grain IMO).

Yep I corrected that. But I don’t really know for certain how it looked on 35mm as the only source for that is the Z-VCD bootleg.

It’s a bit expensive just for a trailer. I will look into getting one scanned though. There might be someone that already has the trailer and can have it scanned.

It’s in Italy at the moment, I have someone there kindly holding onto it until we work out where to have it scanned, etc. I’ll PM you some large pictures.

Yes very similar, except we already bought the print and aren’t looking to recoup that money. I’d personally love to see more Disney films get the attention they deserve!

Cool, do let me know. Pledging even a small amount will help me get towards the goal. I’m not really sure when scanning will happen for this just yet, but I’m keen to get moving with it once I have at least covered about 3/4 or so of the initial costs involved (excluding the purchase of the print itself). I have $100 pledged so far from one person very passionate about the film.

Total costing is not yet worked out. This is new to me, I have not been personally involved in the other 35mm preservations, though I am in touch with some people who are. So I can only go off very rough cost estimates at the moment, and I’m thinking that with postage scanning will cost around $900 (excluding the cost of hard drives which will be extra). Of course that’s being optimistic. The print is dirty it’s been stored for ages, it’ll need to be cleaned, and it has sprocket damage as you can see in photo 2 that may require more careful handing (eg running it slower through scanning or something).

fmalover said:

(It’s Lowry Digital, their restorarions are not to be trusted)

Don’t blame Lowry, they can only do what the client wants. Another thing is the client sets the deadlines and such, so they probably ran out of time to give all the films the attention they needed.

Yep I agree, it’s a bit off-topic though. Still for $3500, you’d need maybe 20-30 people willing to put in $100-200 each. And you may be able to make back most or all of it by selling it later, but there’s no guarantees there.

So if you’re passionate about the film then go for it! Start with what you can put in, and then look for other people who would be willing to contribute. Once you own the film you can then store it and begin collecting money for scanning costs, etc. It’s not as if it has to be scanned immediately!

Ouch. Yeah. Like I said it’s up to you, but that price is insane. Especially when you factor in the scanning expenses. To put it in perspective though, BATB only cost us a fraction of that. Though with SW you’d probably be getting something in really great condition for that money - important if you want to watch it on film, probably less important if you’re going to scan it.

This is a film I’ve been wanting to preserve for a long a time. The Blu-ray is horridly inaccurate (plus altered), and no home video looks the way it should. We have purchased an Italian 35mm Eastman print of BATB. It is dubbed, not subtitled.

Including postage to and from the scanner, the scanning costs will be around €1000 (~$1100), excluding HDD costs. The sooner we can get the scanning phase funded the sooner it will be scanned. Any amount will help, and any funds raised above the costs associated with getting this scanned will be returned (there are other 35mm projects that need that money!)

Scanning will be at 4K and compressed with Dnxhr 444 (thereby fitting on one HDD). The scans will of course be made available to the community for the cost of a HDD & shipping, and I envision we can arrange a “Grindhouse” type release. A cleaned up version might also be a possibility down the line, but it’s not planned for at this stage. I am quite sure we can get English audio sync’d to it also. We will of course look into options for getting an English print scanned in the future when possible, which would compliment this scan.

I have other Disney prints I plan on arranging to be scanned once this one is done, so the sooner this one gets scanned the sooner I can tell you about the next one and arrange for it to be scanned also!

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