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#1297671
Topic
The Little Mermaid (1989) - 35 mm (fully funded)
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MonkeyLizard10 said:

In 1997 Disney scanned in the original 1989 final production negative used as the basis to print the theatrical release from and then touched it all up in computers and then put it back to film. So I’m not sure we can really take a 1998 print as giving us the true original 1989 look

Where did you get that information? Also are you sure that the film-out negative was used for foreign prints and not just domestic?

The colors on this seem reallllly muted. And they have sort of a drab yellow-green tint. Do you know what color space the scanner company provided your scan in? Are you really sure it was sRGB/REC709? Just comparing your scanned samples to the quick flashlight trick picks you first showed, color seems to have gone way muted. And if you swap the profile on those images to say AdobeRGB, they start to begin to look a bit more reasonable (and perhaps they were scanned in an even larger colorspace than AdobeRGB). I sort of have a feeling that you were delivered files that were not sRGB/REC709 but then treated them as if they were?

The colours on all Disney films before Aladdin look very different to their home-video counterparts. Unless you’ve seen it recently on film yourself, then you can’t attest to how the film looks. Dr. Cooper should be able to arrange to get the print projected sometime so that will give a better idea about actual theatrical colour timing.

I think we forget that film could provide pretty rich colors, even in 1989. We are just so used to how faded out old prints become over time (other than for a few ones printed out on certain long lasting stock, which most were not).

Yes film has more density than is possible with 8-bit Rec 709. The scan done was a “single flash” SDR (standard dynamic range) scan so doesn’t provide all density that’s in the film.

Anyway, what I have, has absolutely BRILLIANT colors and eye popping saturation.

Again you need to see it projected - but sure it wouldn’t surprise me if the colour is beyond Rec709.

FWIW if we can get our hands on an English print we can arrange to scan it in HDR. 😉 There’ll be a substantial cost involved of course, but the film is definitely worthy of it.

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#1293859
Topic
Walt Disney Classics 4K
Time

phoenixobia said:

I’m sorry my bad. The original negative was 1.66 but now the top and bottom has been cropped to fit 16:9.
I have the BATB Laserdisc and it is letterboxed which shows the complete picture.

If you take a look at the link below or google BATB laserdisc bluray comparison, You’ll see what I mean.

http://stayornay.com/toons/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/BatB-WIP-Compare-11.jpg

Some prints might be open matte, but it’s definitely a flat 1.85:1 film.

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#1291546
Topic
Spider-Man World-Trade-Center 35mm Teaser Trailer
Time

Some of the Youtube comments are crazy, like “download it asap before SONY/Disney decide to remove it…” - no guys, there’s no need to worry, YoshiKiller2S already (generously) shared the raw file so it’s perfectly safe! 😃

Honestly it’s crazy the response you got, considering the relatively modest response to this being shared in HD for the first time:

https://vimeo.com/212361397

Lots of people seem to think that because this trailer was pulled in cinemas it’s less likely to be preserved in high quality - nope! Even the Orphanage, a 2007 film, its trailers are not in HD (I preserved the Teaser).

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#1281114
Topic
Alien 1979 35mm scan opportunity
Time

We’re not “trying” to replace official releases, comparing to official releases is a fool’s errand.

T2 doesn’t look that great on 35mm to be honest, it’s one of the softest lowest resolution films I’ve seen no doubt due to the Super35 blow-up process. But there’s no point in saying you want to see it scanned, someone has to come up with the money to purchase or hire a print and to pay for the scanning, without that you’re just complaining about the home release which while it’s not the greatest, it isn’t the worst either. And any potential T2 scan has nothing to do with my projects anyway, I’d much rather scan T1 than T2 and there are many other films I’d rather scan than that (my primary focus remains on Disney animation films of course).

It’s a pity that Tiddy couldn’t keep it civil. There’s no reason to be at each other’s throats over this kind of thing…

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#1280988
Topic
Alien 1979 35mm scan opportunity
Time

Well for the theatrical experience anyway. The “detail” in prints is 1-2K not anywhere near 4K (although they have much richer dynamic range than digital) and most prints have little shadow/highlight detail, the exception being dye-transfer prints that retain the same detail level into the shadows/highlights. Blurays and 2K/4K restorations are often sharpened way beyond the sharpness of prints as well. This is not a limitation of prints - films like Alien were shot in anamorphic and transferred using contact-printing so there is little to no loss of sharpness between the negative and the final prints.

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#1280970
Topic
Alien 1979 35mm scan opportunity
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TiddySprinklesPimpBillion said:

You better not use noise reduction. Film grain is great. Do not colormatch to any release as you’ve mentioned except other film prints. Pointless to try to match with the extremely outdated Laserdiscs and taking it a step up with what you’re doing.

I think you’re misunderstanding quite a lot about film scanning. I’ve seen both scans we have so far, from two different prints scanned on two different machines, and both of them have quite a bit of scanner noise in them. I’m getting one reel re-scanned professionally on equipment that is virtually noise-free, once we have that we’ll know exactly how much to reduce the noise by.

As for colour grading, it’s a lot more involved then that. We have a few minutes from a (virtually) un-faded print, but both of the prints we scanned were red. The un-faded scan, even though it isn’t much, is our reference for the rest of the film and we have a pretty good idea about how the film should look.

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#1280931
Topic
Alien 1979 35mm scan opportunity
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SilverWook said:

Then you should have no problem ignoring the thread.

I don’t mind his comment, print-based preservations aren’t to everyone’s taste.

TiddySprinklesPimpBillion said:

This doesn’t need to happen, especially with the 4K UHD release.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Alien-4K-Blu-ray/230308/
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=5205&d2=13061&s1=48549&s2=130852&i=2&l=1

The preservation won’t match the quality of the Bluray (let alone the UHD) but it will preserve the theatrical version of the film.

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#1279394
Topic
Spider-Man World-Trade-Center 35mm Teaser Trailer
Time

Talkytinadoll said:

I HAVE THE MASTERS.
To my knowledge, we destroyed the 35mm masters at Sony…

But I am the only person with the actual DigiBeta masters.

We were told to dispose of anything with the twin towers but my boss told me to just get rid of them but not nuke ‘em, which I normally would’ve done,
and he said get them out of here, as in Sony, so they ‘went away’ to the cornfield.😉

Can you encode and upload them please (ideally at full resolution DNxHR or Prores)? Unfortunately trailers are grossly overlooked by studios, can you believe before I uploaded the Matrix’s trailer:

https://valeyard.net/2017/04/the-matrix-trailer-in-hd-for-the-first-time.php
https://vimeo.com/212361397

That it didn’t exist anywhere in HD?

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#1274924
Topic
The Phantom Menace on 35mm
Time

STAR WARS EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE 35MM

HELP REQUIRED!

This movie has been a poison chalice, quite literally unfortunately. However we currently have a very promising opportunity.

THE PRINT

The print is on eBay and is listed as very good condition. The seller is reputable.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/P2197-STAR-WARS-EPISODE-1-PHANTOM-MENACE-1999-35mm-motion-picture-FEATURE/264242471091?hash=item3d861420b3:g:FWAAAOSw57ZcjZWg

Auction ends in TWO DAYS.

Currently the bid is at $514. We need at least $700 in pledges to make a bid.

DONATIONS

Donations for this project go to a third party who is doing the ebay bidding, not to myself of poita, PM me for details.

Target: $700+

Current total of pledges: $400

SCANNING

I have a sponsor for scanning. If purchased, the print will be scanned on professional equipment and our generous sponsor will pay for it.

IMAGES

As time is short I’ve sent out a few messages to people who donated the first time around, please don’t think I’m spamming you. 😉 It’s partly to make sure that people who might be interested know where to send the money before they assume to send it to me or poit.

THANKS EVERYONE!