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The original project is dead, I will update the OP to make that clear but without removing the original text since I feel it’s important that we are accountable, we did take donations and on this project we couldn’t deliver.
If anyone wants to complain, I take full responsibility for this so PM me any grievances.
Listing just ended, did we win?
Nope. Don’t despair, we’ll look for another print.
This movie has been a poison chalice, quite literally unfortunately. However we currently have a very promising opportunity.
The print is on eBay and is listed as very good condition. The seller is reputable.
Auction ends in TWO DAYS.
Currently the bid is at $514. We need at least $700 in pledges to make a bid.
Donations for this project go to a third party who is doing the ebay bidding, not to myself of poita, PM me for details.
Target: $700+
Current total of pledges: $400
I have a sponsor for scanning. If purchased, the print will be scanned on professional equipment and our generous sponsor will pay for it.
As time is short I’ve sent out a few messages to people who donated the first time around, please don’t think I’m spamming you. 😉 It’s partly to make sure that people who might be interested know where to send the money before they assume to send it to me or poit.
THANKS EVERYONE!
Please keep any offers coming, we are getting close towards the goal!
Donations for this project go to a third party who is doing the ebay bidding, not to myself of poita, PM me for details.
@Dusty311, thanks for the question, I’ve edited some posts to clarify.
If you’re interested shoot me a private conversation. I have arranged someone to do the ebay bidding, this is someone who knows the scanner already, however we do need to raise the full cost in donations to be able to bid.
I have recorded Mway1’s pledge, with thanks.
It’ll be scanned in better quality than the trailer, our sponsor is letting us use a professional scanner, but we can’t say too much on the open forum about how it will be scanned.
Is anyone else interested in buying the ebay print - or donating towards it?
I don’t know I would call that “easy”, I can send you my project files and you can see what you can make of it if you like. In any case, we have a very good opportunity to scan this film now if the print is purchased.
Hi guys,
I’m looking in to getting something organised for this. I have sponsorship for the scanning that will cover the full cost of scanning, but I can’t pay for this item right now. We need to organise one bidder, I’m doing that now, and then any donations would go to him/her.
SO, long story short, if there is interest in this film please speak up now and say how much you would like to donate. PM me if you need to or you want to be anonymous. We probably need at least $700 so keep that in mind.
The ebay seller is a trusted seller who we know, if he says the print is “very good” then the print will be very good.
Here’s an example of what I mean by filtering out the low frequency. First an “upscale” to HD:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/130534
I’ve taken a single screenshot, cropped it to 1920x816, then resized that to 1440x816 (the native resolution it was filmed in), sharpened it and then used waifu2x-caffe to upscale (with denoise set to maximum), and and finally downsized the result to 1920x816. The result is a modest improvement in the overall sharpness of the image, and a significant reduction in the camera noise, but at the expense of bringing the background elements into focus.
Now look what happens when I do the same thing, except this time I filter out low frequency noise first:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/130537
Notice much of the same detail that is lost in spoRv’s upscale is also lost in mine.
Holy crap, that’s an upscale?! 😮
Where is the extra detail coming from like in the embroidered patterns on Padme’s robe?
I don’t think the upscale looks good at all. The method used is basically throwing away low frequency detail, filtering medium frequency, and then sharpening high and medium frequency detail. For photos the results can be acceptable - if you mask out the background, and/or apply a fresh bokeh blur to the background. But to get a good photographic result you’d need to also mask other elements like Padme’s robe which has become plastic looking due to the loss of medium and low frequency detail, and filter it a lot less than the filtering to other high-detail areas. All that will only make you a super-high resolution photo, it won’t make a video that looks any good. The processing power to make a video, not to mention the manual labour involved in creating masks for depth of field etc, would be huge.
That’s a 1982 Kostal print.
I am very worried for him as his account has not posted since October.
He posted in December over on Fanres, the topic is quite relevant and goes over the professional scanning process if you’re interested:
https://forum.fanres.com/thread-1977-post-48841.html#pid48841
Water damaged, I’d let that one pass if I were you.
From the Fantasia Legacy DVD:
No it doesn’t. It’d be very hard to find a print of that version in private hands, and it would be nitrate.
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That’s the 1982 Kostal version which we already have transferred. And yes it’s overpriced for what it is and how faded the print is, a more reasonable price would be $300-400.
Subscribestar is a better option than Patreon IMO. It supports different tiers, so you can have $1/month, $2/month, $5/month and $10/month for example, the only issue is I don’t think it makes the total contribution amount public - but that can be done manually in the website header where there’s currently the PayPal link. All you need is a text file on the server and update it every week, and then read that text file using PHP. I’m setting up my own profile on there should be ready soon, they also have a referral program (my referral link is here if anyone reading is thinking about signing up there).
So quick update, I’m currently setting up a SubscribeStar account. When that’s done I’ll be able to take monthly contributions from people who wish to help regularly. This will greatly help with what I’m able to budget for in the future. I’d like to hear from those who have given regular donations or who would like to, and get feedback on where to set the subscription amount. I’m currently thinking around $20 or $25 per month. Please send me a message if you’re a current donor who is interested in contributing monthly, or if you’re someone who would be interested in a monthly contribution towards scanning.
Thanks!
Jeez those are large cores!
The print is very expensive though.
It’s interesting when people imagine that I have new projects. 😉 If you want to contribute towards my existing projects, please do.
Makes sense in that more bureaucratic structure, I can see that. It’d be interesting to see the relationship between the painting stage, since that’s a separate position from animation (looking at the credits), and the printing stage. Both of those stages involve decisions regarding tonal values, and it’d be cool to see what the formula that led to the final exposure was. Did the painters make stuff brighter than what they would want so that it would print properly? Maybe contrast ratio was more important than specific lightness so that it could scale to whatever was needed when printing. It’d be interesting to hear interviews with those people.
BATB is entirely digital, no physically painted cells. Which would also make it a lot easier to tweak the appearance for the final film.
Would love to, though I don’t think I’ve ever seen Disney animation classics in any of the theaters around that do those type of screenings. I’ve seen some older Disney live action around, but not animation. I’m definitely keeping my eyes open.
Or find a collector with a print and get him to project it for you. 😉
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I’ll update the funding status soon, but the short story is that we’re still a long way from funding the scan of my print. I have had some donations I haven’t added to the public ledgers yet.