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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread

I’ve already shared with you my “blind mode” experience of that hallway scene.

Now, try playback at 2/3 speed… for added brutality.


BTW, who after watching this scene immediately thought of old McQuarrie’s concept art? Mind you, painted 42 years before R1 was released!

Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread

Thank you for reminding about this (it’s been ages since I last touched that book).

ray_afraid said:

The lava planet scene is bad.

I was never a fan of Mustafar, true. In my head-canon I believe this was just a Sith temple (a contrary to Jedha) and his “bunker-castle” is elsewhere and looks just as depicted by McQuarrie.
He was less bulky than Prowse-in-suit, agreed, but I don’t find it glaring (just like I didn’t count how many inches is G.Henry taller than P.Cushing).

Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread

TK-949 said:

And I can not accept Prequel and Rogue One Vader.

Could you please explain why? I mean R1 (as problems with Prequels-Vader are pretty much obvious). All I hear from people is “daddy’s joke”.

Let’s put that joke aside (which is just as perversely cruel as ESB “apologies accepted” / “Perhaps you think you are being treated unfairly?” and so on, so I don’t see a problem here) and let’s ignore the hallway scene (although I’ll have to use all my willpower not to talk about a scene that got burned in my memory forever).

What’s so great about R1 Vader for me? Well, what’s so great about Vader anyway, "shouldn’t people stop idolizing a villain?"
Despite all the ruthlessness, he still seems to follow some knightly codex. And since ESB we believe “there’s good in him”.

R1 does reinforce his mysterious line from ANH and could hint to its meaning.
“Don’t be too proud of this technological terror you’ve constructed”
^^ why doesn’t the main villain like their brand-new superweapon, eh?
“A city destroyed!”, he says in R1 and then turns his back to Krennic.
Guilt, remorse… perhaps? Did you notice it? Strange, I didn’t find any oh-so-smrt reviewer analyzing this bit!
Remember “we can end this destructive conflict” from ESB?

The Vader I believe in (and thus I reject the prequels) had sworn allegiance to the Emperor/Empire believing it to be the lesser evil (prequels failed to show us that the Clone Wars were horrible and forming an empire sounded like a last chance to save the civilized galaxy from certain doom), especially after being brainwashed by Palpatine.
He won’t show mercy to the rebels, but mass killing civilians… maybe this filled him with doubts?

I find R1 Vader pretty much in-character.

Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread

Apart from the sudden “unblocking” of her suppressed love to her father, a certain “extinction event” could play a major factor in filling her with new zeal, no?

I’m not surprised that Rey is winning the popularity contest with the crowd. While both Jyn an Rey had ruined childhood, Rey came out of it energetic/spunky/[whaddyacallit], while Jyn had developed depression. Nobody likes to hang around burned-out, depressed people, we only like to watch fictional ones in Oscar-worthy dramas.

She’s probably the most realistic hero of Star Wars.
During my first viewing my jaw dropped when she was saying her sobering lines.

Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread

In order to celebrate the first anniversary of Rogue One, I’d like to focus on that “boring bland female lead without arc”.
I mean, I know she’s like that as some YouTube reviewer told me so. So this must be true. Absolutely.

Let’s run a quick summary of Jyn’s thoughts (just the movie itself, no books involved)




Mommy, no! Bad men took Daddy!
It’s dark and cold, why Daddy isn’t coming back for me?
Some bald guy saves me.

OK, I’m a freedom fighter now! And I’m quite good at that! Down with the Empire!

Wait, I got dumped? Why? Didn’t I fight arm-in-arm with you?
Well, I’m on my own now. I need to be tough! As I’m still an outlaw, wanted by the Empire.
Oh blast, I got caught! And jailed. And on my way to a forced labor camp.


I need to rethink my life… because it sucks!
All those years of fighting… and the Empire is just as strong as it ever was. So much suffering… will this fight ever end? Maybe I should lay low… maybe we should have quit? To end this spiral of retaliations?
And where was my Daddy all those years? Is he collaborating with the enemy? I’d rather not think about him, it’s painful and it makes me weak.

Now I got freed by those Rebels (or whatever they call themselves these days). They want me to lead them to Saw… but they say my Daddy sent them a message, what? OK, maybe I’ll agree… they promised to let me go later.

OK, I took them to Saw, can I go now?
Wait! Daddy!
So he didn’t forget about me?
So he is a secret saboteur? A hero, opposing the Empire? But he has to work undercover and suffer all this time living like a prisoner?
Oh no, this world is undone!


The city got vaporized in a single flash! All those people - dead. Even that kid I rescued…
But my Dad’s message! We can still beat the people who did this!
They call it the Death Star, a terrible weapon, we must destroy it!
Maybe my Daddy could tell the Rebels how to do it, let’s rescue him!

Oh, no, Daddy!
Blast it, Cassian, you had orders to kill him? And didn’t tell me?
That raid was a disaster…
Well, neither you nor the Rebels knew Dad is a saboteur.
Now I’m an orphan… but you say you are an orphan too… forced to fight… knowing only war… just like me.

We must act now!
What? Can’t you see people this is the only way to destroy that doomsday thing?
If you won’t do it, I’ll do it even if I die trying!
Finally I have companions, who are willing to go with me, all the way.
We’ll take the chance, and another, until we win, or our chances are spent.




^^^Mhm, totally no “arc” thingy here! Is that right Mr. YouTube reviewer?
As you can read above, totally boring simplistic film with just pew-pew and ay-tee-es-tees! No food for thoughts whatsoever! Move along!

Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread

Anchorhead said:

Whoever did that did a good job of merging the screencaps.

Nah, sloppy one, as you can see the seams. “I know because it’s me.” Adjusting light levels would take more than a couple of minutes I had to spare…

I have always had plenty of ideas, and groaned that most of SW merchandise is cheap, unimaginative cash grab.

Next: I want an animated screensaver like what they have on that screen:

Kind of TRONish, don’t you agree? I love how most R1 displays are a bit 1980s sci-fi style (read: somewhat dated by todays standards).

Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread

oojason said:

I love it, I wish we had a graphic novel like that!

And on a grimmer, novemberish note:

Did you notice that each major character got the death they deserved?

Gerrera was too tired after nearly three decades of war, he finally met people who will continue his crusade.
Galen finally had a chance to see his daughter.
K2 defeated a platoon of soldiers single-handedly (literally, as he was operating the computer with his other hand) and then blew up himself to stop the enemy - obeservation: a paragon of battle droid effectiveness he was.
Chirrut being a monk prayed and prepared himself to die.
Bodhi (who is the hobbit of this film) knew that he finally did something important - and his death was quick so he didn’t even had time to be afraid.
Baze died like a warrior (Conan would be proud) : killed his opponents, avenged his brother-in-faith, smirked in the face of death. Did he also found his lost faith in the Force?
Jyn avenged her parents and completed her father’s sabotage. Cassian completed his toughest mission. And then they had (the shortest) vacation on the beach… and finally a moment for themselves - their goal was achieved.

And even Krennic… who would always pull himself up when shot… had the chance to gaze at the grand creation of his life… aiming and shooting him straight in the head. What could be his last thoughts?

This is to all the people who say R1 is just nostalgia-exploitation and “ayteeaytees”.

Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread

ray_afraid said:

I don’t need a big logo telling me that it’s Star Wars.

Sure, this doesn’t ruin my viewing experience (search my posts: I love R1).

It’s just that while I can understand (albeit I disagree with it) the reasoning behind the “no text crawl” decision, I completely fail to grasp why are they so bent on separating the “Anthology” films from the Episodes: the logo, the title (why not the simple “STAR WARS: Rogue One”? note how there’s no “Rebels: The Star Wars Story TV Series”) etc.

It only adds the fuel to the “it’s Disney’s Star Wars” crowd.

Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **

joefavs said:

He seemed really unduly pleased with himself.

Sounds just like… Han?
- “Sometimes I even amaze myself!”

Hardcore Legend said:

But the James Bond franchise

…started as books.
And Robin Hood and King Arthur started as legends… faceless.

I’ll repeat what I’ve said already in this thread: did you guys really enjoy Young Indiana Jones Chronicles that much?

Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread

Cameos. Quotes. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we cringe. Because inserting MTFBWY every now and then can make us sick, and winking to the viewer one too many time may make us roll our eyes in irritation.

Master level of quoting? Rogue One.

In the middle of a climax, the super-important message from Galen is breaking up and it’s cut short!
But every lover of Star Wars, who had seen ANH a hundred of times knows that last sentence by heart.

I nearly shouted it out in the cinema, sitting on the edge of the seat, as if I hoped to tell Jyn what were Galen’s last instructions.
Oh, and use proton torpedos, dammit!

This is to all the people who say R1 is just nostalgia-exploitation and “ayteeaytees”.

General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread

One of the things Rogue One did right was adding weight to Death Star, making it even scarier. When many creators fall into the trap of “even bigger explosions!”, R1 just holds the audience a bit longer in a scene which was so (too?) short in ANH.
That alone helps… but that’s not all.
They’ve successfully tapped into our hidden fears… watching R1 reminded me of certain documentary videos like this one:

…which I watch both hypnotized with amazement and paralyzed with fear.

Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread

@ crawl:
I agree that there should be no problem to include an optional crawl for the home release.

And I’d still argue if this was a good idea to omit it. It should be kept, if only to help all those clueless “is-this-the-fourth-death-star?” people 😉

@ Vader’s castle:
Hey, even Hitler & Stalin enjoyed some fun time in a summer house.

Rogue One soundtrack - needs better titles

The first thing I noticed in the official soundtrack listing is that the main theme suite has the word “Hope” just like the previous track from you-know-which-one-scene. And “Rogue One” is not the main theme. Very confusing. Just like the 1993 and 1997 soundtracks have different track titles (and arrangements!), here are my proposals for renaming (in bold), compared to the current ones (and composer’s twisted jokes):

  1. He’s Here For Us
    A Krennic Condition
    He’s Come For Us

  2. A Long Ride Ahead
    Jyn and Scare it
    An Offer You Can’t Refuse, Main Theme

  3. Wobani Imperial Labor Camp

  4. Trust Goes Both Ways [includes “The Force Theme”]
    Going to See Saw

  5. When Has Become Now
    That New Death Star Smell
    Death Star Reveal [includes “Death Star Fanfare”]

  6. Jedha Arrival
    Jedha Call Saw

  7. Jedha City Ambush
    When Ambush Comes to Shove

  8. Star-Dust
    Erso Facto

  9. Confrontation on Eadu
    Go Do, That Eadu, That You Do, So Well

  10. Krennic’s Aspirations [includes “Imperial Motif” and “The Imperial March”]
    Have a Choke and Smile

  11. Rebellions Are Built on Hope
    Erso in Vain

  12. Rogue One [includes “The Force Theme”]
    Takes One to Rogue One

  13. Cargo Shuttle SW-0608
    World’s Worst Vacation Destination
    At the Gate to Destiny

  14. Scrambling the Rebel Fleet [includes “The Force Theme” and “Star Wars Main Theme”]
    Scarif Tactics

  15. AT-ACT Assault [includes “Rebel Fanfare” and “Imperial Walkers”]
    Bazed and Confused

  16. The Master Switch
    Switch Hunt

  17. Your Father Would Be Proud
    Transmission Impossible

  18. Hope [includes “The Imperial March”, “Rebel Blockade Runner” and “The Force Theme”]
    Live and Let Jedi
    Despair and Hope

  19. Jyn Erso and Hope Suite
    Jyn’s Theme, Rogue One Theme

  20. The Imperial Suite
    A New Order, Krennic’s Theme

  21. Guardians of the Whills Suite


Actually it’s just tidying up, nothing special. Probably my most notable idea would be calling those new Imperial fanfares “New Order”.

Still thinking about 10 & 12. I’m trying to avoid too obvious ones like “Visiting Vader”, bah.