RM4747

Onne said:

Honestly, I’ll be fully happy when I’m sure we’ll get the three movies in 4k/1080p blurays bundles (individually or as a box set).
Ok, I know I’m in the minority here (so please don’t trigger the Death Star at me!) : I like most of the special editions changes (minus “Han didn’t shot first”, Jabba in Mos Eisley, the Sarlacc beak and Jedi Rock to name a few) but do you think that this restoration will be used as a template to create a color timing accurate, non DNR’ed version of the SE? I would love to see “Definitive Editions” where all the problematic changes are reversed. Obviously, this brings a problem : what to keep and what to reverse? I think that the exemples that I cited could definitively be reversed. Then remaking the CGI in Mos Eisley with a modern technology would be enough. Those “Definitive Editions” would remain coherent with the prequels and peacefully coexist with the OOT. That would imply messing with George Lucas work, but isn’t Disney already doing it by releasing these OOT restorations?

This was discussed a few pages back, but I think it’s pretty unlikely they’re going to do anything with the Special Editions.

My guess is those will stay untouched, exactly as they are since that’s George’s version.

The color and CGI was overseen by George, and they’re exactly as he wants them.

Kathleen Kennedy was even asked years ago if they were going to make additional changes to the films and she was like “Oh, god no. Those will always be George’s. I would never touch those.”

Slavicuss said:

In some ways, I’m sympathetic.

I’m an editor myself, and I’ve worked with directors who had the temptation to go back and re-edit their films, tweak them, fix problems that we didn’t have the time or money for, etc.

It’s pretty common.

But at some point you have to move on, and realize that’s the best we could do at the time.

Sure, maybe we could go back and do a director’s cut, but I’d never support erasing the original version and pretending it never existed.

Slavicuss said:

I don’t care what Disney’s reasons are for doing this. At last, commonsense prevails.

George Lucas currently in shambles! Just punched Chewbacca in the face!

youtu . be/Bq30vO3K4Lw

Slavicuss said:
Out of interest, who are these people that are supposedly upset that the originals are being restored, and released into theatres?

The minority of people who prefer the special editions lol

But that’s what choice is for, the viewer can pick the version they prefer.

Just like how pretty much every other movie with a director’s cut has released all versions.

Close Encounters, Blade Runner, Godfather 3, etc. etc.

The stupid part wasn’t doing the special editions, he’s correct, the director is free to tweak their movie if they want to. (Assuming the studio allows.)

The stupid part was gatekeeping it, and telling viewers they’re no longer allowed to watch the theatrical version, and trying to ban it and take it off the market. No other director has really done that.

Even Steven Spielberg later admitted that re-editing E.T. was a mistake, and he reversed his changes.

In some cases (Blade Runner, Godfather 3) I agree that the director’s tweaks and re-edits are better, but they should still give viewers the choice of what version they want to watch.

They put all 5 versions of Blade Runner out on Blu-Ray! That’s how it should be done.

I think the variety of online attention it received since it originally leaked on Reddit probably led to them announcing it. After that leak it was repeated by a variety of pretty mainstream websites. Pretty much impossible for one person to take credit for it, except the person who originally discovered the ALI YouTube page and downloaded all of the clips.

I’d be surprised if their original plan was to announce this today.

It was a very short blurb on their website with no details, and it seemed like they were just trying to get ahead of the leaks.

Very much seems like something they’d announce with more fanfare usually, like at Celebration 2027 (maybe the home media releases will be announced there?)

They haven’t announced Empire or Jedi yet either. Maybe those are planned for 2030 and 2033 in theaters? Hopefully we don’t have to wait that long for the home media releases…

Connor said:

Without sounding egotistical I can confidently say that my video of the leaked clips getting the attention that it did definitely pushed them into announcing this early

Umm… okay 😂

I don’t think 50k views pushed them into doing anything lol

This originally leaked like 6 months ago, but it was more widely posted on Reddit about a month ago.

After that it got pretty widespread media coverage online.

JayArgonaut said:

Oh, when did he say that in recent times?

Cannes Film Festival 2024, he did an interview that’s on YouTube.

He was specifically asked if the original versions would be released in 4K, and he got all grumpy and was like “We already released them on DVD! Nobody wanted them, and everyone said they looked terrible and that we purposely made them look terrible! We didn’t, that’s how they looked!”

I doubt if he was even aware this re-master was underway, since he really hasn’t worked for Lucasfilm since he sold it and retired in 2012.

LeperMessiah117 said:

RM4747 said:

That guy with no name said:

They spent millions of dollars on this and have hired like 300 people. Of course, they’re gonna milk it on home media lol!

Would love to see George’s reaction to this news lol

youtu . be/Bq30vO3K4Lw?si=SSh_Xw0qET6oamnN

That guy with no name said:

They spent millions of dollars on this and have hired like 300 people. Of course, they’re gonna milk it on home media lol!

Would love to see George’s reaction to this news lol

Wonder if he still thinks “no one wanted to see them” like he was still saying last year.

rpvee said:

Confirmed at last!!!

“Part of Lucasfilm’s yearlong 50th anniversary celebration, a newly restored version of the classic Star Wars (1977) theatrical release — later renamed Star Wars: A New Hope — will play in theaters for a limited time.“

There we go… the leaks forced their hand I bet lol

I thought for sure they were going to wait until Celebration 2027 to make a big announcement. Maybe they’ll wait until then to announce all 3 are coming to home video.

digitalfreaknyc said:

RM4747 said:

Broom Kid said:

Nobody tell this dude anything tell he pays you five bucks

Must be depressing being a jaded, angry old Baby Boomer.

Attack the post - not the poster.

Tell that to him. I’m being attacked for sharing Bill Hunt’s post for some reason, and mocked and insulted for giving him $5.

You guys need to get outside more often.

Tobar said:

RM4747 said:

Broom Kid said:

Nobody tell this dude anything tell he pays you five bucks

Must be depressing being a jaded, angry old Baby Boomer.

I recommend you take another look at our rules. Specifically:

Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

This is your first and last warning.

So his harassing me and insults are totally fine? lmao

Broom Kid said:

Nobody tell this dude anything tell he pays you five bucks

Must be depressing being a jaded, angry old Baby Boomer.

That guy with no name said:

That we don’t know… There is evidence to support both options.

Well, (if you believe him) Bill Hunt is apparently being told that something in fact will be released in 2027, which suggests option 2.

That guy with no name said:

You got it!

So… is it option 1 or 2? lol

That guy with no name said:

Why would that be expected? That would be a vast and herculean effort. Finding, recovering, transferring, and then re-rendering 30-year-old CGI renders? Not to mention, they would have to re-scan other pieces of film missing from the theatrical cuts. To give a little away (and I won’t go any further), the '97 film out inserts were not scanned for this. In fact, if the documents are to be believed (which, btw, is not a 100% sure thing), then those pieces of film are no longer part of the negatives…

The versions would have noticeably different color grading and resolution.

I’m pretty sure most of the CGI isn’t from 1997, they re-did it several times, in 2004 for the DVDs, then again in 2011 for the Blu-Ray, and only a few minor tweaks in 2019 for the 4K version.

But yes, I agree with the reasoning that “Those are George’s versions and we aren’t going to touch them.”

Kathleen Kennedy has pretty much said that in interviews also.

That guy with no name said:

It’s not the special edition, and it won’t be both either. That part (which is what I was replying to), I do know and have proof to back up, which I can’t share because, for the millionth time, it’s sensitive.

So that leaves options:

1. Nothing, it’s only for internal preservation and won’t be released.

2. Only the original theatrical versions will be released.

Interesting choice, since that would leave the Special Editions on the old 2011-2012 4K scans at worse quality.

You’d think they’d also use these new 6K scans as a base to update the Special Editions as well, and re-do the CGI at higher resolution, but maybe they’re just going to leave that alone entirely, since that was George’s project.

That guy with no name said:

Of course. You don’t, I haven’t asked the person running this thread to post it!

Why not?

And why not just answer the question?

I don’t need to see proof. No need to post anything sensitive.

It’s a really simple question that you can answer: What are they planning to do with it?

This drip drip drip and teasing and wink wink “Trust me, I know things!!” is pretty silly.

Censoring people’s initials in the leaked documents was pretty silly, as if we don’t know who K.K. is lol

Yeah… big mystery who that could be…

That guy with no name said:

We do know, though, that’s the whole point.

Then feel free to tell the rest of us. What are they planning to do with it?

I didn’t see it anywhere, but I haven’t read all 15 pages of this thread.

The original FAQ says “We don’t know, it’s possible this is just for an internal restoration and it will never be released, or for an updated Special Edition.”

Broom Kid said:

So what I’m reading is, you paid him to find out behind the scenes info.

He doesn’t know anything more than what you could have got here for free months ago. So what you paid for was embellishment and bad conjecture - and about four separate reminders that he’s got “contacts.” I’m not mad you posted it here. I’m not mad, period. I thought it was a good opportunity to point out what he was actually doing. Think of it as an object lesson in media literacy

Nobody is forcing you to keep vouching for and defending that position. You don’t have to keep doing so, and by doing so, force yourself into making contradictory statements with every quote. You’re just choosing to do it.

None of this is hostile. I can see why it’d be frustrating to someone who wants to keep doing something despite it not going the way they’d like, but that frustration is also a choice.

Yeah, that’s how Patreon works… you can’t see what was posted until AFTER you pay lmao

It only shows you the post headlines without paying.

I had no way to know if he had new information or not without paying. Either way, $5 isn’t a big deal to me.

I didn’t make a comment about what he said, I just shared it. Go yell at him yourself if you think he’s wrong, don’t tell me.

My point was only that he confirmed it with his sources at Lucasfilm that they are in fact remastering it, and do plan to release something in 2027. Whether it’s a new Special Edition, or the theatrical versions, or both, no one seems to know yet.

digitalfreaknyc said:

RM4747 said:

I’m honestly not that interested in the behind the scenes work lol, all of the interesting technical details have already been leaked.

Ahh. Yes. I’m sure everything leaked. Must have all leaked. Sure of it.

I’m not interested. We just want to be able to buy the movies lol

Broom Kid said:

RM4747 said:

I’m honestly not that interested in the behind the scenes work lol,

You pay Bill Hunt a monthly fee to spoon soft-serve-bullshit into your eyes.

I don’t. I paid $5 for one month because I saw that he posted about Star Wars and was curious what he was hearing.

People are really hostile here for no reason. No moderators here?

All I did was copy and paste what he said. Don’t shoot the messenger if you hate the guy.

Maybe he’s wrong, maybe he’s not. I have no idea. We’ll all find out in 2027. All I did was share what he said.

YAREL_RGP said:

Because let’s think about it, Disney must have a very complete record of how the films looked.

Clearly not, because the color grading on all previous home media releases has been way off.

George’s private copy.

If it’s his personal copy, pretty unlikely Disney would have access to that.

Especially for a re-master of the theatrical version, which he hates and doesn’t want released lol

Even in his interview at Cannes last year, he still ranted against people who want the original versions. He was asked directly if they have plans to release them in HD or 4K, and his answer was “Well we put them on DVD but everyone said they looked terrible and didn’t want them!”

Although he’s a bad person to ask, since he sold the company, retired, and no longer has any control over the films. I seriously doubt if he’s even aware they’re being restored right now. It certainly didn’t sound like it in 2024.

Or perhaps they don’t have to go that far; they could use the separation masters or the YCM masters and scan them as a reference file.

The separation masters are generally made from the raw negative, so those wouldn’t be color graded. Only the interpositive and later is color graded.

But they don’t depend on collectors who own rare copies for million-dollar projects because they already have all the material that we here would sell our souls to own.

IB Technicolor prints are very rare, and unique because the colors don’t fade at all. And they weren’t really used in the US at all for Star Wars, they were pretty much only made for some European markets.

The regular Eastman negative film that Lucasfilm has is extremely faded and color shifted.

I didn’t see any mention in the leaked documents that Lucasfilm has an IB Technicolor print in their vault.

The BFI’s copy would be extremely useful to them for color accuracy, assuming they didn’t already have one.

Some Interested Observer said:

RM4747 said:

That guy with no name said:

RM4747 said:

That guy with no name said:

Feel free to share. No one believes you have any information without proof.

Why would I need to share if there are no more secrets, duh!

You don’t have any. I didn’t think so.

I’m sure that Member X of all people has no extra info on the behind the scenes… 😃

I’m honestly not that interested in the behind the scenes work lol, all of the interesting technical details have already been leaked.

All we care about is whether the original versions will actually get a theatrical/home media release, but no one seems to know yet.

It’s possible they’ll just use these new scans to do an updated Special Edition, or that it’s just for internal preservation and will never be released publicly.

That guy with no name said:

RM4747 said:

That guy with no name said:

RM4747 said:

That guy with no name said:

Feel free to share. No one believes you have any information without proof.

Why would I need to share if there are no more secrets, duh!

You don’t have any. I didn’t think so.

Ok then. You weren’t invited to that conversation in the first place, so in your small-town world, I, in fact, don’t have anything… I’m glad you’re content!

Have you keeled over yet?

That guy with no name said:

RM4747 said:

That guy with no name said:

Feel free to share. No one believes you have any information without proof.

Why would I need to share if there are no more secrets, duh!

You don’t have any. I didn’t think so.

JadedSkywalker said:

I’m heartened by the fact that no one sees the Maclunky scans as Archival anymore.

I do wonder if those scans were trash are they going to also remaster George’s final special edition cut and do we even care.

It wouldn’t surprise me if they did both, just like the 2006 DVDs.

The current 4K releases are based on 4K scans that were done ~15 years ago, right before George sold the company to Disney.

Some people prefer the special editions, some people prefer the original theatrical versions.

Why not give people the choice? Just like with Blade Runner, and pretty much all other movies that have had a director’s cut.

More choices for the viewer isn’t a bad thing.

That guy with no name said:

Feel free to share. No one believes you have any information without proof.

That guy with no name said:

PM me on the other forum for a discussion… (just you, not anyone else).

Lol…

As if this is some sort of top-secret classified information. 🙄

It’s already been leaked everywhere, there are no more secrets.