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#523743
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Okay, who actually HATES the Prequels
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For me, the fan edits prove how bad the prequels are.  In my opinion, none of the ones I've seen (and I've seen several) actually make any of the movies good. They might make them suck less, but that also makes them more boring. Strip away all the worst moments and the basic movies you're left with are just bland-city.  If I'm going to watch a prequel, I'd just as soon see Jar Jar bouncing all over the place - at least I can shake my head, i.e., at least it engages me on some level.

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#523261
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From what i have seen one way Tfn'ers excuse how bad the prequels are.
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As I've said before, as movies, I don't hate the prequels.  I doubt that very many people on this forum "hate" the prequels.  Rather, I would guess that most of the posters here range from enjoying them to finding them rather laughably bad.  But hate?

No, the proper word is "resent".  I resent that the prequels are becoming the basis for multitudes of changes to my favorite movies, and that three of the greatest movies of all time may never be released in a decent format because someone believes that they should be permanently modified to match some inferior other movies.  So it's hard not to resent those other movies when little bits of them keep popping up and giving me the finger while I'm trying to watch a classic movie.

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#522843
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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Back to the topic of the blu-rays, my plan is to wait until someone does a despecialized version based on them, then I'll buy the "saga" (sic) so that I can download the despecialized version in good conscience.  By then the price will likely have gone down a lot... I might even be able to pick one up used.

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#522840
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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danny_boy said:

Thats fair enough---as I said earlier--I enjoy watching my 1982 VHS tape on the odd occasion----it has the worst  looking transfer----but has the highest nostalgic value(for me personally).

Well, for me the best nostalgic version of the OT is a super-sharp transfer, because that's how I saw it in the theater in 77 when it first came out.  No such thing exists because all the hi-res transfers have CGI alterations. I don't have any nostalgia for blurry low-res dirty transfers (even my own).  But I don't have any nostalgia for dancing teddy bears and whizzy CGI either -- in fact those are worse... it's just not the same movie.  Among the official releases, at least the GOUT is the same movie.

The messed-up colors to me aren't the big deal (well, except the crushed blacks).  They are just proof that George is no longer competent to manage his own affairs anymore.

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#522779
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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There's quite a bit of people talking past each other here.  A transfer is a digitized file taken from a film.  A release is a digitized file found on a DVD.  A lot apparently happened between the transfer and the release in terms of added CGI, color "correction" (lol), soundtrack, etc.  I have little doubt that the transfer done for the 2004 discs was probabaly excellent, judging by the detail.  But that doesn't mean the release is good, or true to the originals.

It certainly makes sense to use the release with the best clarity to try and reproduce a decent facsimile of the OT.  That is because colors are largely correctable, but sharpness is not.  Content is also not correctable (obviously), except that people like Harmy and Adywan have managed to take great pains to try and restore those scenes that have been damaged.

We don't have access to the original transfers - nobody does except Lucas. And there doesn't exist a decent modern release.  It should be obvious to danny_boy or any other SW fan that just because one would use the 2004 discs on which to base a transfer doesn't mean we think they are accurate, or that they are watchable. To wit, what do you think would turn out better, a 2004-based project that has been color-corrected and despecialized, or a 1993-based project that has been sharpened?  The answer should be obvious (2004-based), but that doesn't mean that it has better colors, or is better watching out of the box.  Because it clearly has terrible colors, especially ESB, and is full of inane distracting crap.  Every indication is that the blu-ray will have even better detail, but it will still be unwatchable because of the crap done to it for release, and will therefore need to be fixed by somebody here in order to make it a reasonably watchable facsimile of the OT.

This is the only movie in the world in which this discussion is taking place. That isn't our fault, it's Lucas' fault.

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#522241
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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R2D2 said:

Those guys from the press asked such lousy questions that have been asked before and have nothing todo with the blu-ray release.

"Q: Is everyone SW fan?"
"Q: What is your most cherished SW memory?"
"Q:Did you [as a actor] get the part you wanted in Star Wars?"
"Q: GL has changed the movies over the years - what would you change?"
"Q: How you would you recommend watching the six films for the first time? 456, then 123 or the other way?"
"Q: What do you feel about the fandom?"
"Q: Is GL right to change the films? Is there more monkeying around?"
"Q: What's the future of Star Wars?"
"Q: What do you think of Star Wars in 3D?"

That was supposed to be an ILM presentation?

Actually, I think those are all very good questions.

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#522017
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Interesting prequel critique
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I thought the acting was universally horrendous, but I don't blame the actors. No matter how good an actor is, they need good material, a clear vision of their role, and be given guidance and context by the director. That so many good actors could give such utterly wooden performances speaks of bad script, bad direction, and a general lethargy that must have permeated the whole moviemaking experience.

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#521700
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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Bingowings said:

Protecting art and culture is probably something that you just can't trust to a free market.

Very important point.  The "it's his he can do whatever he wants with it" argument presumes that ownership is the be-all-end-all of society. there are many cases where society places restrictions on what you can do with your stuff:

  • it's my car I can drive it however I want
  • it's my house I can make it look however I want
  • it's my kid I'll raise her however I want
  • it's my historic structure I'll tear it down if I want
  • it's my money I won't pay taxes if I don't want to
  • it's my lab I'll make whatever substances I want
  • it's my life I'll travel wherever I want


Most artists aren't so ridiculous with their own masterpieces as Lucas is, so society hasn't had to deal with this issue yet when it comes to art.

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#519213
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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Interestingly, I was having a casual conversation with a fellow instructor here, and brought up that I was participating in this forum.  Contrary to what I was expecting, he launched into how much he hated the special editions, and Han shooting second, etc.  So there are people out there who agree with us!