Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda

msycamore said:

What do you think, Silver, is it possible to get rid of most of that pink tint, how did your Grande look before you worked your magic on that, Puggo?

It's hard to tell from a single screen cap.  Reel 2 of the PG was much more red than the others, but it's hard for me to tell from this screencap how reel 2 of the PG compares to this print.  From what little I see, it looks comparable.

You might like Darth Editous' version.

Keeping your kid from watching the PT?  That's a little over the top.  This is a different generation, and they have every right to enjoy things that we don't enjoy.  In fact, it doesn't bother me at all if the younger generation doesn't like the original SW and prefers the PT.  They also don't like the Beatles, Miles Davis, and a host of other things that earlier generations consider great.  However, they should learn to respect that which came before, because the things they love will become passe too.

That said, I think that eventually anyone with an IQ over 90 will realize, on their own or with a modicum of education, that the PT sucks and the OT rocks.

To kenkraly's credit (dare I say?), at least he usually says that he agrees that the original version should be released.  Many of the Lucas apologists seem to actively NOT want the originals to be released (which I find positively wierd and even offensive).  That one little concession of kenkraly's seems to have been learned here.  It took many months for us to insert that thought into his auto-looping brain, but now it's there and seems to pop up in most of his repetitive posts.  One small step...

adywan said:

Is kenkraly just copying and pasting the same comments on every site that mentions the blu-rays? he mus have commented the same stuff on dozens of sites already and surely there si no way you can spell august wrong so many times.

What's even more amazing, is that he posted the same thing over and over onto the blu-ray.com site.  About once every 25 or 30 posts, there's another kenkraly entry saying exactly the same thing.

Timstuff said:

As much as some of us would like to believe that there's that much demand for the OOT, it ain't so. It's something that fans and film enthusiasts really want, but the casual viewer doesn't really care about which version they're watching.

I don't believe that.  Even if it is true, it is only because Lucas has successful made it so, at least in the short term.  All he'd have to do is hype the "original theatrical restoration" the same way that he did the SEs, and he'd make even more of a mint. I just cannot believe that SW is the only movie in the world for which most people don't want the original version.

TV's Frink said:

I can't help either, but I'd like to know if you have a question about simple color correction, or if you have a simple question about color correction.

I think my question qualifies as both!

A laserdisc capture off an X0 machine is of interest even without the post-processing.  Definitely, releasing those raw captures would be exciting.

What I was after was the relationship between the contributions of R, G, and B, and how that relates to producing yellow.  That would help me decide which of the three need to go up, and which of them need to go down, in order to reduce the amount of yellow.

It looks from the wheel you posted, that I would need to reduce the red and green, and possibly increase the blue?

Ok, here's a really remedial question: What is the best way to reduce the amount of yellow in a video, given the RGB color correction (or HSV) controls in Vegas?

On blu-ray.com, I'm quite curious how it is that posts that just say things like "saga for me!!" and "whoopee! pre-ordered it!" get so many thumbs-up clicks, whereas posts that contain actual content all get so many thumbs-down that they end up getting hidden?  Seriously, the only interesting posts are the ones you have to click to view.  Are there people that actually spend the time going through and clicking thumbs-up on all the "yahooey!" posts?  Does LFL have all their workers go through and do that?  Or does he pay someone there make a bunch of fake accounts just to go through and make sure the substantive posts get hidden while all the vapid "yippees!" get 10 stars?!

It's hard to imagine that Star Wars is the only movie in the world for which the majority of people DON'T want the theatrical version released!!??  But that's the way it looks.  How sad!

TV's Frink said:

Gotta give him credit for spelling all the words right for once, and he wrote two semi-coherent sentences as well...

"...twice as better..." ???

He'll probably want the original negatives buried with him.  100 years later when his great grandkids - in an effort to restore the company - dig him up and open the casket to get the original negatives, his mummified bones will still be tightly clutching the cannisters. :)

skyjedi2005 said:

I saw ken's star wars blu ray review sight unseen, he can apparent gaze into the future to review the blu rays.

What I find fascinating about his posts, is that sometimes he says that he hopes the problems will be fixed, and he hopes they'll include the original versions, but even if they aren't he is still buying the set.  What compels someone to buy, with a big "woo hoo!", even if there is nothing in particular on it that they want and don't already have?  It can't be logic, it must be some sort of compulsion.

adywan said:

you know what, something just occurred to me. What if a lot of the deleted scenes on the Blu-Ray set for the OT are the scenes/shots taken out by the SE? Because after all these are deleted scenes now, right?.

Sorry Adywan, they never existed.  You need to go back and drink the kool-aid.

Kenobius Prime said:

Wow.  You guys are hitting it on the head when referring to how people think of us.  Just check out the comments on Blu-ray.com.  People mentioning the OOT get minus points, and those that say it's better than nothing and I'm getting it anyway get plus points.  Anyone trying to bring up the originals gets called names.

I'm at a loss as to why this is the case.  Has the world really gone insane?

generalfrevious said:

The only reason we consider the OT good is because we are viewing with nostalgia-colored lenses.

Disagree.  Star Wars and ESB were great movies by any objective standard. Even as the SE they are still great, but slightly less so.

Harmy said:

Yeah? Like what reason? Maybe as a bold middle finger to those who give a f*ck about quality.

It's entirely possible, that at this point, not only does GL not care whether us annoying OOT fans buy the set, but he actually would prefer we not buy it.  Because he knows that if we do, he'll get more grief and more negative publicity.  As long as only fanboys buy it, there will only be fanboy-style feedback/reviews.

Octorox said:

colors still look terrible....It does look like they tweaked the blockade runner scene but everything else is still blue...

Darn, kenkraly said they'd be fixed.

TV's Frink said:

PT Tatooine was also shot in Tunisia.  Just saying...

And SE (of course), but both with CGI added to reduce realism.

It's done now.

The original transfer was pretty poor, like it was done with a dirty lens.  But the VHS was in perfect condition and it digitized well.  It was my first transfer with my newly-acquired Panasonic AG-1980, and wow what a difference that made over my already decent Mitsubishi deck.  Didn't even need to use the external TBC.

Not much of a menu... just a screencap and a "play" button.

Bingowings said:

It would seem a bit odd to put out even a limited release of 3D Blu-Ray sets before a theatrical 3D run but these are crazy times.

Maybe the attempts at 3D-izing the saga suck so bad that they're going to go straight to home video (with great fanfare, of course).  If the 3D gets panned in the theater, it could impact George's vision.

Alexrd said:

Realism is missing on every Star Wars movie. Be it CGI or puppets.

I disagree.  The puppets were really there in the frame during filming, along with the background, buildings or foliage, etc. In the PT, many of the characters and background are CGI which was not in the green screen frame during filming at all but was added later.  So whereas the puppets aren't actually living creatures, they are at least there during filming.  And in my opinion, the difference in realism is obvious.  Particularly on Tatooine, which in SW looks like a real desert town with real dust, real people wandering around, real dirty vehicles, real wind, real daylight, etc., presumably because they all really were real when filmed.

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SilverWook said:

I will attempt some screencaps from the DV tape, but it won't be a pretty sight!

There's a great Virtualdub filter by Donald Graft for removing flicker from this sort of capture.  I've used it with great success.