Possessed

I couldn't find any.  I found a still image that I added some grain and slight motion to, it looks pretty good. 

I'm about done with this test I've got the x-wing shots lined up and the sfx and music work done, but does anybody know of anywhere I might get a shot of the planet tatooine from space? I looked through EPIV and couldn't find any, they all had something else happening in them.

What I wouldn't give for a dvd-quality deleted scene of luke building his lightsaber.  Now that would be a nice way to slow the pacing down in between going to tatooine and the droids going to jabba's palace!

geMTHaslett said:

Possessed said:

Well it's either that or switch it back, because it won't make sense any other way.  I mean even if I switched the scene with chewie around how is that scene supposed to work without threepio?

This might be a problem.  Sure it works fine as far as flow and feel, but moving the yoda scene ahead causes problems I can't think of solutions to.  I mean I'm sure it's possible to edit 3p0 out of the scene with chewie but the results would be so choppy it would ruin it.  I think it might have to stay as it is.

Well, you have to follow your instincts. There are options. I think the way that seems closest to what you want would be: Vader on DS2/Luke Yoda; Luke Ben/Droids on Tatooine etc.  There's no real need to separate the Yoda scene and the Ben scene. 

I've gone over the cuts for editing 3P0 out of the Chewie scene and can suggest how to do it. It is not such a big deal. Most of what he does is repeat Jabba's lines. There are other shots of Jabba and his room from other scenes that can be used as extra coverage.  But the scene would basically be two characters talking through subtitles and plays fine to me. That would allow the scene order where the capture of Chewie comes between teh Yoda scene and the Ben scene.

But a third option I think you should just test before rejecting is having the Emperor arrive after the consecutive Luke/Yoda/Ben scenes. To me this has potential that is only clear when you see it.  This would allow the Droids (and Luke) to arrive before the Chewie gets captured.

What's left to solve?

 

I'm definitely not going to try and edit out 3p0 from that scene.  I mean sure it could be done, but the results couldn't ever be as professional looking as the way it is now and that's the main thing.

The first option is interesting, but do you think wiping directly from luke and ben to the droids on tattoine wwould be too fast?  I mean unless anybody knows of a way to show luke actually leaving degobah to show that he did indeed travel across the galaxy.  I mean I guess I could use the shots of the x-wing leaving degobah in ESB and like flip them and change their speed to seem different but that would be pretty cheap.  I don't think that would work.  Maybe if I changed the coloring of the shots where he's actually leaving degobah in esb in the x-wing, flipped the image and slowed the frame rate down, and then spliced in a different shot of an x-wing flying off into space?  I'm not sure how this would work.  I'll work on a test.

The third option seems interesting, but I'm not sure if I like the idea of having two DS scenes so close together.  It might work, I'll have to see.

Well it's either that or switch it back, because it won't make sense any other way.  I mean even if I switched the scene with chewie around how is that scene supposed to work without threepio?

This might be a problem.  Sure it works fine as far as flow and feel, but moving the yoda scene ahead causes problems I can't think of solutions to.  I mean I'm sure it's possible to edit 3p0 out of the scene with chewie but the results would be so choppy it would ruin it.  I think it might have to stay as it is.

MTHaslett said:

Possessed said:

MTHaslett said:

But Possessed, I thought you were keeping the Chewie capture for after Luke arrived?

 

Uhm... why would I do that?  That doesn't make any sense at all it's not even like that in the original...

Uhm... The droids come as Luke's gift to Jabba.  How do they get there with his message if they are not with Luke?

Edit: For that matter, how would R2 get there if he's still on Degobah waiting for Luke to talk to Ben?

Oh dear, I didn't think about that.  I guess I could just edit R2 out of degobah. 

I'm not moving around anything except the degobah scenes.  The droids are still coming before chewbacca.

Bingowings said:

He isn't waiting around he is finishing his training so he will successfully rescue his friend (who isn't going anywhere trapped in carbonite).

I was talking about that being an effect of splitting the scene up as yodas death and luke talking to ben as two separate scenes, I was saying that it would seem like he was waiting around after yoda died and then finally talked to ben and then left.

MTHaslett said:

But Possessed, I thought you were keeping the Chewie capture for after Luke arrived?

Uhm... why would I do that?  That doesn't make any sense at all it's not even like that in the original...

Bingowings said:

I'd be interested to see how that pans out but my instincts would point to putting the second Death Star scene right after Han and Co leaving Tatooine.

Jabba is the is is just the starter and the Emperor is the main course.

If you mix the two up the whole thing becomes tapas.

The Emperor arriving is mentioned in the briefing so the two scenes are linked.

Yeah it's not a bad idea but I don't think it would work.  That would mean having the opening scene be vader on DS and then yoda and then another scene again with vader.  And with the emperors appearance we need more build up.

I was thinking of splitting the scene up in two tho, and have a break from jabba's palace.  (Meaning having yodas death and lukes talk with ben 2 separate scenes) Like I what if, after say Chewie is taken away by the guards there is a transition wipe back to degobah and have lukes conversation with ben?  Then having it cut back to han's attempted rescue at night.  I like the idea of having something to split between (it's one of the few times in all the star wars saga, the only one I can think of at the moment, where so much time is spent in one place in the galaxy at once).  What I don't like about it is it makes it seem like luke is waiting around on degobah instead of hurrying to help his friend.

MTHaslett said:

This test doesn't get to the first shot of Luke yet. That's the beat that will really count. When you see Luke for the first time, does it feel exciting enough without the build up and pay-off that seeing Luke for the first time had in ESB or the original ROTJ?  

 Not really, but then again it's not terribly exciting scene anyway.  I am proud rto say that the feeling you get seeing luke at jabba's ppalace is almost still the same.  I mean blacks a pretty generic color, so even though you *suspect* it's luke approaching in a black robe its still just a hooded figure in a cloak so it still has some mystery to it.

Sluggo said:

I'm finally getting time to DL this and should review it tonight!

*rubs hands together excitedly*

If you're talking about reviewing the draft, well feel free but you should know I completely scrapped that and started over so many things won't be relevant.

Bingowings said:

That works remarkably well,

Thank you very much

you seem to have removed Moff Panic's slow motion leg too.

...What? I guess not as I have no idea what your talking anout unless I did it by accident...

Here ya go.  Enjoy.

http://rapidshare.com/files/438022132/Transition_test2.mpg

Ha exactly.  I'm growing more fond of the idea of moving degaboh to this point all the time.

And as for the problem of the rebel briefing, I was thinking of just cutting most of the "reuniting" stuff from it anyway, and just keep han and lando's first exchange (minus landos cheesy smile of course) and after that just focusing on the actual information in the scene, luke will probably not be in the scene at all.  We can just assume he's doing something important.   I don't remember if hes in any background shots in the scene or not, but if he is I might just move those ahead to the beginning of the scene and let it be assumed he was there the whole time, but just isn't featured in the scene.

Bingowings said:

If it's moved to nearer the front Luke could have been there for about a year training and polishing his skills.

yeah I know that's what I was just saying.  I was arguing against whoever said different establishing shot should be used, I was saying that having those shots with his x-wing in clear view work just fine.

I'm currently upload a roughly 36 second preview mainly just showing how the transition wipe from the opening scene to degobah could work.  The only reason it's that long was so I could casually show off another edit I made that I'm quite happy with :)

As regard to cues and shots, the establishing shots already in Jedi work just fine.  I mean if they worked going from the DS to Degobah once, why would they not work when used from going to the DS to Degobah again?  I mean it's the same thing just from a different spot.  And having that big fanfare from vader talking to the officer fade out into the ambience of the swamp sound effects work just fine I think.  Also not showing Luke arriving and having his ship already there implies he has been there a while, thus making his sudden growth in skills in Jedi more believable.  Trust me, you guys are way overthinking things. 

Actually I was thinking I would cut out the shot of him being shot (cuz it seems like his arm is just in the air for no reason) and just let it be assumed that he has to wear a glove over his mechanical hand for some reason.  It's not perfect, but I really don't have the time to even think about trying to rotoscope something like that.  Or anything at all. If a glove appearing on one hand is enough to make you not enjoy a film, then I'm sorry but my edit is not for you.

I have tried it before, and I had an idea as gift for waiting so long.  I was thinking of uploading a high quality sort of "trailer"/experiment.  I was going to upload the first about 10 minutes or so of the film with yoda's death switched in that way, because I hadn't thought about it as bingowings worded it before. Just to see how it looks. That is a good idea. I'm still don't think I'm going to switch Han and Chewie with the droids, but I'll consider moving yoda to tust after vaders scene on the death star.

Thank your for the input, and actually it isn't too late at all! I don't know if you thoroughly read the thread or not, but if you check a few pages back you'll note I pretty much scrapped everything and started over a few months ago.  I really like some of your ideas, but I'm not sure they can be worked in to my edit.And yeah I totally agree about the han and luke talk before the pit.  In my original edit this scene was completely gone, and now I'm trying to decide on a way to make it better with less damage to pacing.

They are good ideas but I don't want to change the film that way.  But if you have any other ideas feel free to suggest them.  I'm pretty well satisfied with the way I've cut the opening of the scene for the most part, but I'm always open to suggestions on Endor and the rest of the film.

I;ve thought about rearranging the opening similar to what you suggested but ultimately decided to leave it as it was.  Call me a sell-out, but I'm not really looking to make radical changes to the plot like that.  And the other problem is introducing Luke at Degobah takes away from his dark and mysterious reveal at palace, which is something the film needs.  Also there wouldn't be much of a good first reveal if we bring chewie in first either for jabba.  I mean he's first seen being introduced to the droids.  If we put the chewie scene first, well he doesn't really have much of a reveal then he's just there and the audience is like "Wtf is this frog doing here"

With christmas break approaching, hopefully I'll be able to get alot done in this edit.  I hate that things are going so slow, but don't worry it will be here eventually, and I think you guys will be happy with it.

Yeah I'm leaning towards keeping it but trimming it.  I have always found it wierd that threepio not only knows the story for ESB, but had a vision of it being made into a movie and even managed to have the score built into himself! (At least it sounds like the music came from him from memory, I'll have to check again maybe it's just part of ROTJ's score.)

And sorry to everybody that this is going SOOO SLOOOW.  I really can't help it, I'm so busy.  To everybody that looks forward to this edit: Do not worry.  It will be here EVENTUALLY.  I won't abandon it without a word.  But it will be several months.  But it will be here eventually!  (And in true 5.1, unlike what I had originally planned :))

I'm having trouble deciding if I should remove the scene where threepio tells stories to the ewoks or not.  I like threepio in the scene, and I'd hate to remove his stand out moment in the saga.  But if I left it in there'd definitely have to be some trimming and tinkering to try and remove the more kiddish ewok shots during.  Any opinions from you guys?

Crygor64 said:

Some of us don't feel the original trilogy needs "improvement." If you condemn George for making changes and yet you support Adywan and his "Extra Special Editions" you are a total hypocrite. There's no denying that truth. I'm not saying this to flame or to cause trouble, its just the truth. And someone needs to say this. Its loooong overdue.

 I don't think many people really condemn him for the changes, just that the changes he made were mostly bad.  Not the case with Adywan, which is another difference between the two.

You may be right, but who exactly is being an ass to people supposed to benefit? Because if it benefits you you obviously have some problems of your own you need to take care of.  And if being an ass makes you feel good then your maturity level must be about level with the actual of age as "kids that age"

And I really don't care if you think I'm a dumbshit too, so don't even bother.