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Would also like a link please
Would also like a link please
Could I get a link aswell?
I don’t remember the original episode quite well enough to give any suggestions for cutting etc… But if you’re worried about the length of the episode you could always see if its worth cutting the episode into two parts?
Not sure if that work work at all though, as I haven’t seen these episodes in a couple years.
Wahoo! Glad to hear, when they’re all rendered and complete would love the updated chapters again! Thanks for making these edits
I actually had another thought while rethinking about the edit, and was curious about your thoughts.
The minute long scene at 38:40 till like 39:40 with Boba in his bathrobe and Fennec feasting at the table always felt a bit weird to me.
Not a fan of any bathrobe Boba moments, and have always found the amount of food to be somewhat cartoonish. As well as not finding any of the dialogue necessary.
I found the whole scene to be one of those “slow Boba moments in his palace” from the original show that I never was a fan of that are mostly cut in this edit.
I was thinking, what if that scene were cut altogether and it cut straight to Garzas sanctuary instead? I’m curious about your thoughts on this and if you think that’s something that can “work”. I thought of this randomly and wasn’t doing a re watch so it’s possible that during a re watch of the whole chapter it may be a necessary scene? I’m unsure, in any case curious what you think.
EDIT: Another reason I don’t think this scene is needed is because the previous scene we get of Boba (at around 20:00) is Boba being very assertive with his final line being “Then we will be ready.” But then the next time we see Boba he is seemingly almost pouting around in his palace eating his chicken in a bathrobe thinking about what to do.
Plus if you cut this scene, that would likely mean you cut straight from Luke saying “The Galaxy is a dangerous place, I will teach you how to protect yourself.” Which would then likely cut to the scene of Black Krassantan causing a ruckus in Garzas Sanctuary, showing the galaxy being a dangerous place so to speak.
Wow this all sounds wonderful! I’m super excited to see these in action, I love how transformative you’ve made The Book of Boba for me. And hope you’re able to mess with point 11 like you said, take all the time you need though!
Sounds great! Would love a link to the updated chapters 1 and 2 when finished
Updated thoughts on Chapter 2:
At 21:10, I think this is a bit too harsh of a cut. It’s mostly because of the music transition, perhaps fading it in/out more. Or fading the entire scene/using a wipe could help. something like that.
Same sort of deal at 30:35 with it being a harsh cut. I’m assuming this is caused by you wanting to remove the “like a Bantha” line of dialogue. I personally have always though that was a good/funny line of dialogue even before the memes, though I understand you wanting to cut it to perhaps make the scene more serious. I’m just unsure if it’s worth removing, if in it’s place is an apparent cut like there is currently.
I’m a bit more indifferent on the lizard now, as I mentioned before as well as another commenter. I think it works… fine the way you have it now. But still personally don’t really see much wrong with it’s original inclusion, though I can see that being personal preference. In any case, the only part of this scene that would feel off to me if I were watching this for the first time, would be the lizard kind of disappears almost between cuts.
The cut at 51:40 is pretty good, though perhaps could be worth messing with a bit more to see if it can be smoothed out some.
I think I mentioned this before, but it would be nice if something could be done about the tonal shift in music selection at the segment around 57:00, with Boba and Mando seemingly just missing each other on Tatooine.
The scene visually works fine mostly, but the soundtracks clash too much in my opinion to where I can’t personally see that segment feeling “official”. Solutions I think would be either changing up/combining the music tracks here, or seeing if you could perhaps even cut Mando walking outside here entirely and just focus on Boba for this small section.
The cut at 59:30 does work for me however because of the music. Though I will say (though this may be difficult to fix) the only thing that feels off about these cuts between Mando/Boba is either the image quality or color grading, I’m unsure which it is. But from my POV at least it seems as though the Boba sections looks marginally nicer compared to Mando’s scene with regards to image quality/colors.
It could just be my imagination however, seems maybe more muted/darker as well. This is likely not your fault but from the original source material I’d wager.
Overall still very much love this Chapter.
Any updates on V2 lately?
very cool! Will try and make time to watch Chapter 2 again this week!
Awesome! I still also will go back to chapter 2 that you sent me and re review it and the other chapters.
I also wanted to note that the actual visual quality itself in chapter 5 looked great if O remember correctly. Fixed the small issues I had with the other chapter which I assume can be put down to the filesize being a little bit larger for chapter 5.
Ohh very excited to hear about that news!
Alright, I’ve got some hopefully not too unorganized/vague notes from Chapter 5. I made these as I was watching it.
Overall a great chapter, with most everything being seamless, it turned out quite well.
Now for some of the notes that I think could be improved upon IMO.
The scene around the 5 minute mark works surprisingly much better than I thought it would. Taking the last scene of the show to one of the first and making it work as well as it did was pretty impressive. To improve upon it more, if possible I would try and draw as much attention as possible away from the debris that the citizens are cleaning, and shots of the debris.
This may be difficult while maintaining the music of the scene by making cuts of certain shots of them simply cleaning the debris. So perhaps it could also help to simply change the music that plays during this scene. As I think the music here works, but could possibly be improved upon by picking something with a slightly different tone. Though I’m not sure what that would be.
TLDR: This scene works pretty well, but I’d cut as many shots of the debris/cleaning of debris that you can while not making the scene feel choppy with the soundtrack.
The initial cut to Mando behind the curtain felt perhaps a bit too harsh/quick. Though part of me liked it at the same time. I’d mess around with a slower cut if possible that eases you into the new scene and see how it looks and compare which is best/most fitting for the scene.
The Rancor (fakeout) scene works quite well with the assassin , which I was also surprised by. The main issue with the scene for me however was that you could see the Rancor’s gate/door open too much. I’d try and cut away to the assassins saying the mayor sent him before the viewer can see the gate fully open, revealing that there doesn’t seem to be anything there.
As much as I hate to say it as I don’t enjoy the mods, I felt there should be some sort of introduction to them.
The original (D+) introduction of the mods was quite drawn out and long, and had that awkward scene of Boba talking with the guy in his palace. But I feel it may be a necessary evil, as it just felt odd having the mods show up out of nowhere as they main 2 are honestly fairly “main, side characters” in this. And it just feels odd not having a proper introduction to them.
TLDR: I think it’s a necessary evil to introduce the mods similarly to the D+ show. But perhaps it can be cut up and trimmed a lot to be much better than D+'s. It’s one of the only things that didn’t fully work for me in the edit.
TLDR: If possible I’d mess around with cutting/trimming the scene of the mods and Boba driving up to the mayors office.
It’s just a awkward scene because of their out of place speeder bikes and the memes make it even harder to watch. I’d maybe try and cut straight to Boba walking right into the mayor’s building and see how that looks.
At around 1:27:20 the main cast sorta just seems to teleport into Garzas sanctuary. It feels kind of weird. the scene may need cutting entirely, or rearranging. I don’t recall how this sequence played out in the D+ version, so this may be how it was there too. In either case it feels weird having them straight up teleport during Fennec’s monologue.
I like the idea of this on paper, though in execution I think it didn’t quite work (yet at least). The idea being that, the Marshall initially declines Mandos offer to help out. I was able to tell where the scene was cut up around the 1:24:15 mark and then again to the 1:31:00 mark. I’d perhaps just revert this to the Original D+, as that seems the easiest way to make the scene feel less “edited”.
In the scene with Cad Bane and Boba talking for the first time, I’d be interested in seeing about cutting some of Fennecs dialogue. I noticed during the D+'s version of the Finale that Fennec seems to be guiding along Boba quite a bit, and though some of that seemed to be cut here, I think it could do with some more cutting. She tends to monologue/explain a bit too much for my liking throughout. Though this may be personal preference.
This is just a personal gripe that has bugged me since I first saw it on D+. But the scene at 1:45:15 as Fennec is driving away to me always felt so weird because of the strange smile of admiration that the Pale mod has at 1:45:19.
Personal gripe, I’m sure. It just looks so weird to me lol!
at 2:04:38 you can see the D+ “CHAPTER 6 FROM THE DESERS COMES A STRANGER” title card.
I personally thought what you did with the final montage of Boba getting tribute from everyone in his palace was quite brilliant. Really great idea there. However for me it slightly messed with another one of my favorite scenes (from the D+ version). Which was of Grogu tapping on the glass with the Mandalorian.
I’d see if there’s any way to perhaps separate the montage of Boba, and the scene of Grogu with Mando in his starfighter some.
Smudger9 did this scene well, yet very similar in his movie edit. The part that feels a bit off to me in this edit is that Mando being reunited with Grogu should be more… I’m not sure, quiet? I think having the (great, yet not fitting for this scene IMO) music play during their scene together is what throws me off. That and that it was shortened, by not having Grogu tap on the glass.
TLDR: I’d see if you can separate Boba’s montage of getting tribute, and Mando+Grogu reunited scene so it feels more endearing.
It’s a lot of notes I have but I really did enjoy this edit. It’s certainly a very difficult edit to make and I think you’ve done a great job on it. I think with a few tweaks and adjustments it will become the definitive way to view the show (In my opinion of course).
Could I get a link to chapters 4 and 5 please, thanks!
Very excited for chapter 5!
I’m planning on hopefully rewatching chapter 2 over the weekend.
But from what I remember there were a few small things I thought could of potentially worked better.
1.in the scene where Fett is gifted the Lizard, his first line of the scene is “you are warriors.”
I remember feeling like the scene would of played out better without that starting line as it felt like the scene started in the middle of a conversation.
Also, though the lizard scene in the D+ version is maybe a little silly. I remember something about the edits take on the whole removal of the lizard felt off. Felt like something was missing. I feel either you could try removing the lizard entirely, or making the lizard come out of his nose like in the original.
I also remember thinking that whenever Boba saves Fennec, that while I never liked the mods scene in the original where they repair her. I think it felt a little odd not seeing any if that in this edit. Perhaps you could show bobba taking her to the modshop but cutting the scene as he enters? Idk I’m just spitballing here, that may not look good in practice.
I think thats about it. Though I could be forgetting something, and I plan on watching it again in a few days hopefully. Overall loved this chapter especially.
Will say the “bigger” of the two issues I had was the lizard scene.
Okay cool, I definitely prefer the new montage. As for the cart ride, I now think a combination of fix 2 and 3 would be best.
The opening shot of the cart I prefer for sure, it helps slow the pacing and lets you take in the environment more.
As for the actual “conversation” that Mando has with Cara on the cart, I prefer fix 2. As I can hear where the cuts were done in fix 3, but not in fix 2. So I think a mix would be best. With the opening of fix 3, but the conversation being all fix 2.
Other than that seems mostly all set!
Would alao like a link if possible
Could I get a link as well please?
Alright, back to the feedback on the clips of Episode 1:
Like I think I said earlier, the Mudhorn scene works a lot better now. I don’t think I got any real complaints there.
For “Villager lodging fix2” I think this works much better also. I’m unsure if this can be fixed, but the only semi-complaint I have here now is the last 20 seconds or so feel a bit sudden/rushed maybe. Basically everything after Mando says “I need one more thing.” Though part of me like how it feels fast. I’m unsure.
Now for the “Villager Job” I think this is better than what was previous done. Though part of me still feels a little off about it, but this may be because I’m used to the Disney+ version. I’m not much of a editor/film maker, so this may sound terrible in practice, but part of me is curious what the montage may sound like with the music but also with some background sound effects that were originally present.
That may not work for a montage type feel that you’re going for though.
I feel like it’s also slightly strange that we see them putting up walls and training and such during the montage, but never see anything come from it if that makes sense. I’m afraid it may feel slightly underwhelming seeing Mando train the village, only for that to be the end of that. Sort of like a lot of build up, with little pay off I’m worried about. This may come across differently though while watching the edit as a whole and not just a 1 minute clip.
I’m curious from a hypothetical standpoint if it may be worth trying to incorporate the raiders in some way, while cutting down a lot of it. Though that may be an avenue not worth exploring.
Overall, first clip is very solid. Second clip is also very solid, though could maybe see if there’s any way to make the end less abrupt potentially to see how it looks. And third clip is an improvement for sure, though I’m curious if other avenues may be worth exploring.
EDIT: Also out of curiosity, will you be using the deep fake for Luke at the end of episode 4 by Shamook?
Interesting ideas, I haven’t seen Smudgers version as of yet. But he may have some good ideas already present in his edit you could look into.
I have seen the finale part of his edit and personally did love how he handled it. With removing the mechanic lady, and by extension grogu from the finale, and minimizing the mayor and some of the akward mods scenes, I think it did wonders for the finale.
I’ll look at these again hopefully later today. I checked them out yesterday and they were all improvements especially the mudhorn. Ill get back to you though with more details.
I’ll also hopefully give my thoughts about chapter 2 as I saw that a few days ago and absolutely loved it.
I’m especially intrigued about how you handle the books of bobba fett in Chapter 5. As chapter 2 was outstanding I thought.
I’ll get back to you though about notes of chapter 2 as there’s was a few relatively small issues I had. But again. Overall thought chapter 2 was fantastic, and loved the way the story was presented.
Wow, definitely much better on the Blurg. No real complaints there I think.
The Mudhorn scene is better for sure, I feel like there’s a few pieces still missing. Mainly with the audio, I feel like the Mudhorn should be making some more noise around the 35 second mark based off of its movements.
The lodging scene is definitely better as well. I still think it seems a bit odd that the two men seem interested in Mando solely because he’s a Mando which they find interesting I guess. And willfully allow him and Cara to stay without any mention of them being there to protect them or any reason they may want them there in the first place.
though , again this may be difficult to fully flesh out with the footage available. I like the scene of Mando giving Cara the credits much more now also. However it seems weird again to me that he’s paying her to come along for seemingly little reason.
Plus he says “ready for round two” which makes it seem there will be a fight ahead, that never comes.
Wow, super interested in all of this, especially episodes 1 and 2! I think there’s definitely an audience for it for people who want to show others your edits without noticing anything “different” but still being improved.
That is something I’ve always wanted to be honest, though it seems like alot of work.