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#64831
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64831/action/topic#64831
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Anyone know the best way to mix an audio clip from another source so that it isn't noticeable? The sound effect of the Snow Speeder spinning out of control and crashing is missing from the Definitive Collection LD's as well as the Faces VHS and LD's. It was only featured on the LD's and VHS releases prior to those and on the SE VHS and LD's. I'm thinking about capturing that sound from my SE VHS tape and mixing it into my DC LD capture. I just don't know the best way to do this.

Thanks.

Patrick
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#64832
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64832/action/topic#64832
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Make sure to listen to all of the samples in the thread. Here are direct links to them with descriptions:


Drowned out music. The music isn't actually missing. However, it is drowned out by the sound effects.

Comparison of dialogue quality differences between Original and 2004 versions. This one clearly illustrates how the audio quality in the 2004 version is not consistent like it was in the Original Version.

Missing sound effect.
I liked that sound effect.

What were they thinking?

Patrick

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#64807
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64807/action/topic#64807
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It appears some bad decisions were made concerning the audio. I have to thank a poster on DVD File's Forum, which is temporarily down, for this news. They provided a link to John William's Fan Network Forum here. The thread on that forum has several sound clips from both the Original and 2004 releases. The changes really stink in my opinion. Some sound effects and music are omitted here and there. They also provide a comparison that illustrates what the reviews have been saying about the varying audio quality in ANH.

Patrick
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#64693
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An article of lies and disgust - George Lucas talks re the 2004 OT SE DVD release...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64693/action/topic#64693
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
OK, so I'm guessing it is NOT illegal to download and distribute the original trilogy at all, or even sell it. Why, those movies never existed, and movies that does not exist have no copyright. So I'll download it, burn some DVDs and give them to people who want to buy the Lucasfilm DVDs.

I don't know about you, but I REALLY want to watch the Three Stooges with all-new computerized colors and synthetizer soundtrack right now. And I want to burn every other black&white copy.


He would still probably go after you for piracy because you are getting the versions of the films he hates out to people who want to see them. Also, he can make a little money by suing pirates and bring my publicity to Star Wars.

Patrick
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#64689
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An article of lies and disgust - George Lucas talks re the 2004 OT SE DVD release...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64689/action/topic#64689
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I also wanted to mention something else concerning Lucas' "milking" of Star Wars. If he wasn't "milking it" by not releasing things he did not care for, there would be no Full Screen (AKA Pan&Scan) versions of the films on DVD. If you have kept up with Lucas over the years, you know that he despises Full Screen because the film is not being presented in it's original aspect ratio (OAR). If you'll remember, there was no Full Screen version of Episode I on DVD until the Episode II DVD came out. If he hates Full Screen so much, why release Full Screen versions of his films on DVD. Well, because he knew he could put aside his dislike for it and make a lot of money since there are a lot of fools out there who hate Widescreen. If that is not one example of "milking it", I don't what is.

Patrick
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#64681
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An article of lies and disgust - George Lucas talks re the 2004 OT SE DVD release...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64681/action/topic#64681
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He is milking it. How many times has he released and released the Trilogy on the same formats over and over again. Look at all of the different LD releases. He may not be releasing the Original Versions right now, but that doesn't mean that he never will. Even though the Original Versions are the ones I and many others prefer, I do admit that I am in a minority. Look at how many don't care about the changes and will pick up the new DVD's anyway. They outweigh those of us who won't. Also, look at all of the other merchandising and everything else. Look at how he is making this new DVD set a limited edition because he will rerelease it again later. I bet he will release the Trilogy on DVD one more time to get his money out of the format before HD-DVD or Blu-Ray takes over. That way, he will have had two releases on the same format. The next release will probably be identical to this one with the exception of including Episodes I-III and changing the box art and extras.

I also think it is funny how he mentions piracy in the article. Who's fault is it that there is so much piracy of the Original Versions. If there wasn't a demand for them, there would be no piracy. Even though those of us who demand the Original Versions are outnumbered by those who are fine with the new DVD's, there are still a lot of people who want them the way they were.

Patrick
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#64678
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An article of lies and disgust - George Lucas talks re the 2004 OT SE DVD release...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64678/action/topic#64678
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing

I'm sure any cost incurred in restoring and remastering the original films would be more than adequately recouped if the original cuts were released, it's not like George would be doing all the work.


You're right. What difference does a couple of million dollars make when he would recoup that from the sales? I can't say he remastered them for 2004, but I believe he remastered all Original Versions in their entirety in 1997 and then made the changes. It's only a theory, but I remember reading how he likes to keep things locked in the archives and how the new documentary only scratches the surface on what's in there. I believe he may have the Original Versions in tact so that he can make money on them later.

I also think denying us the Originals is a way to keep Star Wars in the limelight a bit longer even if it results in controversy and negative publicity. He probably figures the hype would drop off if he gave us what we want now and would severely fall off after Episode III since there will be no more films. This is just theory though. I base it on the Heavy Metal cartoon. I know it doesn't have the same amount of popularity as Star Wars, but I remember how much I heard about when it was something that was so hard to get because you had to either have a bootleg VHS or have been lucky and taped it off of Cinemax or HBO. Anyway, since it was released commercially on VHS and DVD, I hardly hear anything about it anymore. Probably fansites of the movie are the only ones talking about it now. Once Episode III leaves theaters, all of the media buzz on Star Wars will pretty much be over. He'll probably rely on that mass attention when he decides to do the TV series being talked about just like he relied on the 97 SE's to build the hype for Episode I.

Just a theory though. I am a big LOTR fan as well and have noticed how much the attention to that has fallen off since there are no more movies coming out for that unless the rights to The Hobbit are cleared up. The only things I hear being talked about now are the ROTK EE DVD's and a boxed set of the complete score. Once those are out, it will probably just be fansites discussing it. Notice how all of the other attention to those films are pretty much over with. I believe it is going to be the same after Episode III is over with with the exception of the fans like us who have been abandoned by Lucas.

Lucas has really screwed everything up.

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does this mean we can now throw rocks at him?


I believe so. I picked up my own sharp rock as a funny scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian ran through my head.

Patrick




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#64556
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64556/action/topic#64556
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I downloaded a small clip someone did of an ESB menu that they are working on and it is awesome. I think it was on another thread on this board, but I can't be sure since I have subscribed to so many. Can anyone tell me who created this menu and what thread featured it?

Also, I was in contact with Dr. Gonzo. He was the one who created the Anamorphic set that there are torrents of. I offered him the missing ESB footage if he wanted to redo ESB, but he said he wasn't interested. He wanted to prove that his source was the first pressing of the Def. Collection that had the problem with the missing footage.

So that's that I guess.

Patrick
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#64612
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An article of lies and disgust - George Lucas talks re the 2004 OT SE DVD release...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64612/action/topic#64612
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Hello,

I was wondering if we should have a sticky for Star Wars DVD related articles. Here is one I just found on Yahoo that really turns my stomach.Here

Listen to this:
"AP: Why not release both the originals and special editions on DVD?

Lucas: The special edition, that’s the one I wanted out there. The other movie, it’s on VHS, if anybody wants it. … I’m not going to spend the, we’re talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn’t really exist anymore. It’s like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I’m sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be. I’m the one who has to take responsibility for it. I’m the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they’re going to throw rocks at me, they’re going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished. "

How could it cost millions to remaster maybe 15 minutes or so of footage?

What a sack he is.

Patrick

 

Mod Edit: the above link unfortunately no longer functions. A similar thread from ‘Today’ - with the same quotes from George Lucas can be found below:-

https://www.today.com/popculture/lucas-talks-star-wars-trilogy-returns-wbna6011380

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#64610
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The 2004 DVDs will be Limited Edition! No more to be produced after Dec 2004!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64610/action/topic#64610
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I'm glad that the 2004 DVD garbage is limited. Don't worry though. They made so many copies, that there will still be some sitting on store shelves collecting dust. Remember how long we saw the Episode I Collector's Edition or whatever it was called VHS sitting around. That was limited too.

I'm still not buying the DVD's. Too many other great DVD's out there to save money for. Others may have caved, but I have not. My feelings are too strong. I also will not be attending any Episode III screening in theaters. I'll wait until it hits home video and someone rents it. People really don't believe me when I say that, but believe it. I disliked Episode I, hated Episode II with a passion (didn't even pick up the DVD), and plan to get rid of my Episode I DVD.

I really don't like Lucas very much anymore.

Patrick
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#64562
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An angry Review of the 2004 OT SE DVD's
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64562/action/topic#64562
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I'm a huge fan of LOTR and am grateful those films came along. They helped soften the blow of the crappy Star Wars prequels and the lack of Original Versions being available on DVD. I agree with the reviewer on one point many didn't. I would rather watch the LOTR Trilogy on DVD than the 2004 version of the Star Wars Trilogy. There is no question about that. Hell, I'm not even buying the Star Wars DVD's. However, I would have no problem picking the Star Wars Trilogy DVD's over the LOTR Trilogy DVD's if they contained the Original Versions.

Patrick
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#64316
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64316/action/topic#64316
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I'll have to check the scene again. If he was struggling, he shouldn't have been since the other ghosts didn't have any ailments. I'm surprised Lucas didn't replace the Yoda ghost with CGI since I've heard by rumor that he is replacing the puppet in Episode I with CGI.

I did hear one rumor that was apparently untrue. I heard that Temuera Morrison's voice was going to be dubbed over all of the Stormtrooper's dialogue. None of the reviews mention that. Since I'm not buying the DVD's anyway, I think that would have been funny because there would have been more people pissed off and the DVD's would probably be returned to the store left and right.

It may just be me, but I've never pictured Star Wars to be all about Darth Vader. I can see it in Episodes I-III, but not IV-VI. That was definitely more of the story of Luke. Vader was a major player, but I wouldn't consider him the star.

Patrick
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#64265
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64265/action/topic#64265
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I wonder how placing Hayden Christensen as a ghost over Sebastian Shaw at the end of ROTJ is an improvement. That is one of the biggest screw-ups yet. You know why? It wasn't Darth Vader who picked up the Emporer and threw him down the Death Star's chasm. It also wasn't Darth Vader who asked Luke to, "Take this mask off, so that I can look on you with my own eyes.". It was Anakin Skywalker. He died as Sebastian Shaw and that is how his ghost should have remained (except not all mangled). Lucas has really lost it.

Patrick
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#60860
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60860/action/topic#60860
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Originally posted by: Kristhemovieman
No these are very special to me i would die if something bad happened or cut them up
it is alot of fun in the summer time to have company over and get some gennius and set od side
and watch movies (the people down the road think im nuttssss )

I also have the good the bad the ugly ,empire,return,new hope,spaceballs,indyjones all 3,
superman,superman2 and a few more

35mm and 70mm seper cam in my collection also waiting on a dts big disc decoder (the audio for dts in the movie theather is processed on it ) the disc are like cds but a cd player doesnt play them though

I was thinking maybe next may after im done with my third project I was going to do the inseide of my polebarn so i could watch stuff in the winter

I think i have some pics of me and the kids standing in the back of the polebarn with the opening scrolling message from return of the jedi in the background playing
I will have to dig it up and post it

Cheers


That is cool. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before. I didn't mean cut the film reels themselves. I thought that you had something like a film scanner that would capture the films to a computer or a DAT tape or something like that and then edit the captured files instead of the films. I really don't know how a film scanner works, but I've heard of them. Maybe Laserman would know more.


That is cool though that you have those films and that setup.

Patrick

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#60815
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60815/action/topic#60815
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Originally posted by: KristhemoviemanAND BEFORE I FORGET I GOT A SWEET ASS 35MM DRUM LAST MONTH WITH ALL YESSSSSSSSSSS ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OF THE DELETED FOOTAGE FROM ALL 3 FILMS AND SOME OUTTAKESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


NEW PROJECT FOR 2005

using fox master tape ect this stuff is going to kickass i got a chance to review a feed last month when we picked up this little monster and the video looks GREAT!!!!! COLORS AND CONTRAST ARE ATLEAST 2 STEEPS BETTER than the lds

ON A SCALE OF 1-10
VHS -6
VCD-6
LD-7.5
FOX MASTER MONSTER TAPE-8.5 HEHHEHEHE


Hi Kris,

I was curious about this. So, you have a 35mm print? Is that on the master tape or are they two separate things? If you are transferring the 35mm print, are you doing it with a film scanner? I ask because that would be the true way to make an amamorphic print without quality loss.

I would be very interested to see how this comes out.

Patrick
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#60427
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HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60427/action/topic#60427
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I usually do not agree with Jimbo when it comes to Star Wars. However, when it comes to HD-DVD verses Blu-Ray, I do. He really knows his stuff. Up until now, I was a hoping Blu-Ray would come out on top because of the higher capacity. Jimbo has shown that higher capacity doesn't necessarily mean higher quality.

The Digital Bits just posted an interesting link to an article here. It appears that Blu-Ray is considering copying HD-DVD by acquiring the same VC9 and MPEG-4 codecs that it uses.

I think it is foolish to push either of these formats next year if the studios are not on board. Columbia is owned by Sony, so they are comitting to Blu-Ray. Warner is said to be in support of HD-DVD, but that is only rumored so far. However, Warner, Buena Vista, and Fox were said to all be "impressed" by the HD-DVD manufacturing process in the above article.

There is another huge factor to consider. Whoever buys MGM is going to be a major player in the format war because they have the largest library of films. Currently, Warner and Sony have bid on MGM. I kind of hope Warner wins because that will free up all rights for New Line to do The Hobbit since MGM has distribution rights to that.

It really comes down to politics and greed. Sony and the other Blu-Ray backers either didn't want to pay royalties or wanted to come out with their own thing and collect their own royalties. What I mean is that a manufacturer who makes a DVD Player has to pay royalties to the DVD Forum if they want to be approved and have that DVD logo on the player. That logo is supposed to signify that this player meets DVD specifications in so many words. Consumers probably do not look at that, but it would be strange to see a DVD Player without that logo on it.

This is the same reason we have DVD+R/+RW. I'm not going to bash that format, but it is not part of the official DVD standard. That is why you will see a different logo on the packaging of DVD+R. DVD-R/-RW's have the same logo as DVD because they are part of the standard. I really couldn't tell you which is better. I use -R because my I bought my writer early and that's all it does. My player will play both, so I will probably buy a dual layer burner that does both + and - dual layer whenever they come out.

This is definitely going to be a very ugly format war. The ultimate victor will be the one who gets the most studio support. Based on the article I posted a link to, it looks so far that HD-DVD is probably the best way to go even if it doesn't hold as much data. It is much cheaper to manufacture and that is one thing the studios are going to be very happy about. The other factor will be encryption. Only time will tell.

Thanks Jimbo for the information on the compression codecs.

Patrick
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#58713
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DUAL LAYER SET's will hit soon - but be skeptical!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58713/action/topic#58713
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Hi Rikter,

Thanks for the information. I know the dual layer tests weren't satisfactory enough, but I was wondering a couple of things.

Where you able to set the layer break where you wanted or did the authoring software put one in where it thought it should go? How did the DVD Player handle the layer switch?

These are pretty important questions as I was reading some information on Dual Layered burners on VideoHelp.com and some were disappointed with their tests because they couldn't control where the layer break was inserted.

When I did my two disc versions, I chose these points in the films as disc break points.
1.) Hope - Disc one ends right after Tarken says, "Terminate her immediately!"
2.) Empire - Disc one ends right after you see Yoda's concerned expression just before Luke peeks in the hole of The Magic Tree.
3.) Jedi - Disc one ends right after Han tells 3PO, "Hurry up. I haven't got all day.". I probably should have ended that one a little sooner though as the disc ended up over an hour and turned out to be 4.75GB. It still played fine on my player though.

Thanks.

Patrick
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#56597
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56597/action/topic#56597
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Originally posted by: TR47
Not to sound rude, but this forum is for non SE discussion. SE bootlegs are a taboo topic since the official SE trilogy comes out in less than 2 months.



Not quite. There are many numerous changes that have been officially confirmed by people who went to Comic Con where there was a large Star Wars panel. The Emporer in ESB has been replaced by Ian McDiarmid and Hayden Christen will replace Sebastian Shaw as a ghost at the end of ROTJ. There are also many other little changes that have been confirmed. I don't really care for the '97 or the upcoming editions anyway, but I know some others do.

For a little more info. check this thread out here .

Thanks.

Patrick

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#55809
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55809/action/topic#55809
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Originally posted by: Rikter
Patrick - I use High Quality (Slow) myself - I also set it to 2nd pass VBR, deinterlace and output as progressive (only IF the source is VHS or LD) and set the audio to PCM if my source is a CLEAN stereo or If I filter the audio (Adobe+Goldwave)

And As for the Soften Block Noise - I only use it when converting a LOW quality source like a downloaded AVI or QT (fanfilms and stuff like that) I use the setting at 15 x 15

RiK


Thanks for the information Rikter. I've never tried the deinterlace filter. What I usually do is an Inverse Telecine by setting the Encode Mode to 3:2 pulldown when playback and Frame Rate to 23.976 fps (internally 29.97 fps). On the Advanced Tab, I set IVTC filter to on and for its settings I choose Auto Setting. In Auto Setting I choose 24fps (Flicker prioritized) and Deinterlace: None. I didn't do any deinterlacing because I've heard the films are Telecined and not Interlaced. By doing IVTC, it turns it into progressive and throws out the duplicate frames created during the Telecine process. That way, more bitrate is applied to the frames that are left and improves the quality since the bitrate is applied per second and not per frame.

As far as the interviews, I left them alone because they are a mixed source of Telecine and Interlace. The interview footage is Interlaced and the movie clips are Telecined.

I use 2 pass VBR as well as it provides a smaller filesize and I was noticing jumps in the video when I used Constant Quality.

I may try Deinterlace sometime to see how it turns out.

I also wanted to mention that those with both the Original and SE LD's or VHS may have to mix and match another part. In ESB, the sound effect of the Snowspeeder spinning out of control is not in the Definitive Collection or Faces LD's or Faces VHS tapes. It is in the original film and in the SE LD's and VHS tapes. I wonder if that is mentioned on the flaw list.

Thanks.

Patrick