Patrick R.

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Post: #67461
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67461/action/topic#67461
Time: 26-Sep-2004 2:00 AM

DVD-R DL has been approved for the DVD Forum and should be out in a few months. I just don't know how good it will be since it will be something new. This link mentions that the Forum has approved DVD-R DL as well as other news such as the new logo for HD-DVD.

Patrick

Post: #67462
Topic: Star Wars DVD Music Mix Botched!!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67462/action/topic#67462
Time: 25-Sep-2004 8:08 PM

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Originally posted by: Molly
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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
Unfortunately, he's a rich dumb guy. He introduced me to the girl of my dreams and then he pulled out a gun and shot her. Not literally, but that is how I feel about his revisions and burying the Original Versions.

Patrick

I call Godwin.

Moll.

????

I read the link, but that says something about mentioning the political party running Germany from 1933-1945 that I cannot mention by name or I will lose the argument.

Patrick

Post: #67271
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67271/action/topic#67271
Time: 25-Sep-2004 3:28 PM

The line can help a little, but R2 does make the location appear up on the monitor. I believe Obi-Wan just uses that as his guide towards the tractor beam control.

It's a tough call. I could take or leave the line though. Definitinely have to have Chewie scaring the little Death Star Droid away though. Neither that nor the 3PO line were in the original opening day version.

Thanks for that other link to the releases. I had the Davis DVD one.

Patrick

Post: #67268
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67268/action/topic#67268
Time: 25-Sep-2004 9:15 AM

Tickets costed a lot more when TPM came out too. Check out this link.

Empire's adjusted for inflation gross is: $602,829,100. Unadjusted: $290,475067.
Jedi's adjusted for inflation gross is: $577,524,800. Unadjusted: $309,306,177.
Now let's see Menace's. Adjusted gross is: $520,807,900. Unadjusted: $431,088,301.

Hell, for shi%$ and giggles, let's throw in Hope and Clones (sounds like a soap opera).

Hope's adjusted for inflation gross is: $1,093,654,300. Unadjusted: $460,998,007.
Clones' adjusted for inflation gross is: $328,296,400. Unadjusted: $310,676,740.

Pretty pathetic that Clones made only 19 million more than Empire which came out all the way back in 1980 when it was pretty cheap to go to the movies. I'm glad though because I hate Clones the worst out of the 5 and actually like Menace better. I may be one of the few that feel like that, but at least Menace didn't have a sappy romance and that terrible Hayden Christenson. It also had the best lightsabe duel in all of the films so far IMHO. Menace is still my second least favorite of all of the films. Whenever Episode III comes on HBO, I'll figure out how much I like or dislike it because I certainly not wasting my money on seeing it in the theater.

There you go though. Menace only made more than ESB and ROTJ because tickets costed a lot more when it came out. More people went out and bought tickets for those two films than they did for Menace.

Starkiller beat me to the punch, but you can see how inflation factors has an impact on things. We each have different numbers because we each went to different sites that had different ways to adjust for inflation. Boxoffice Mojo assumes that the average ticket price in 2004 is $6.14. In 1980, the average ticket price was $2.69. In 1999, the average price was $5.08 and $3.15 in 1983.

Patrick

Post: #67262
Topic: Star Wars DVD Music Mix Botched!!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67262/action/topic#67262
Time: 25-Sep-2004 8:59 AM

Unfortunately, he's a rich dumb guy. He introduced me to the girl of my dreams and then he pulled out a gun and shot her. Not literally, but that is how I feel about his revisions and burying the Original Versions.

Patrick

Post: #67179
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67179/action/topic#67179
Time: 25-Sep-2004 12:52 AM

Originally posted by: drcrawn
Does anyone here actually have the Definitive LDs with the missing 7 seconds of ESB? Those are tremendously collectible, very rare indeed. Also I heard mention of laser rot. The definitve ld are not know for having laser rot are they?

I have the Definitive Collection LD's with the Leia Welding footage in tact. The early release was suseptible to rot, but I'm not sure about the version I have since it was a later pressing.

MeBeJedi,

I believe the missing C3PO line is included in one of those early LD's. If you look at this

link, he mentions this about the 1985 VHS release:
"WHAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN: This release is a little-known milestone in the history of Star Wars. When Fox decided to digitally remaster the audio track for this re-release, sound designer Ben Burtt asked to be involved. What Burtt actually ended up doing was that he created an entirely new sound mix for the film. So in reality, the audio for this video release is the fourth official Star Wars audio mix (following the three original theatrical mixes - see the first entry at the top of this page). Among the clean up and digital repairs, some interesting new changes were added. These include sweetened sound effects, new stereo'd effects (Jawa voices after Artoo's capture) and, most noticeably, the addition of C-3PO's line in the Death Star ("The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave"). This new sound mix was used for every subsequent video release until the 1993 THX "Definitive Collection" remastering [ Very Special Thanks to David C. Fein for this important revelation ] ".

He also says this about the 1992 LD. "Coupled with the 1985 audio mix, this could very well likely be the best presentation of the film."

So, I would bet that line was there.

I have seen a copy someone made of the movie with that line and the "Close the blastdoors!" line inserted into the Faces version of ANH. They are a little jarring. The person who made it did a good job. It's just that you can tell the lines were recorded at different times. Kind of reminds me of Vader's added line in ESB of, "Inform my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival.". It is really James Earl Jones performing that line according to Ben Burtt. However, it doesn't sound right because that line was meant to be in ANH, but they never used it.

When you get a chance, check out the '92 LD and see how the line sounds compared to 3PO's other lines during that scene. If you had the entire '92 LD, I would probably use that for the audio and maybe the video as well.

I just looked at Ebay and found this:

Laserdisc. I wonder if this is the 1989 or the 1992 version.

Patrick

Post: #66862
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66862/action/topic#66862
Time: 24-Sep-2004 12:00 AM

The 3PO line isn't on the Faces set either. It is the one where he says, "The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave."

I'm still working on my versions, but I've had to take time away from it and not sure when I will be finished. I have the Definitive Collection with the Leia footage in tact. A friend also sent me small capture files of 3PO's line and "Close the blastdoors!". I really don't like the blastdoors line as the guy's voice sounds different than the one who said, "Open the blastdoors". For capturing devices, I have a Canopus ADVC-100 and a Leadtek WinFast TV2000 XP Expert. I haven't had time to experiment with the WinFast yet. I also have a Pioneer CLD-D703 LD Player which I really like. It doesn't have AC-3, but can be modified. I just don't have a reason to since none of my LD's have AC-3. I only own the Star Wars DC LD's and an unopened copy of A Christmas Carol with George C. Scott that came with the plater.

Anyway, I will keep everyone posted on my progress. I was happy with my original attempt until I saw how good everyone else's was and how much mine had dot crawl in them since I used S-Video. I did buy a much better S-Video cable and will test it on both devices to see if the crawl still appears. If it does, I will use high quality Composite cables.

I originally split each film up onto two DVD's and used uncompressed PCM for the audio. I really want to make dual layer versions with uncompressed PCM if the dual layer technology ever allows me to put the layer break where I want so that it will be hardly noticeable. I also hope the -R DL format comes out someday.

I forgot to mention that I plan to at least capture a small audio segment from my SE VHS tapes before I sell them of the snowspeeder spinning out of control and exploding in ESB. I'm sorry to keep mentioning it, but that sound effect is missing from both the Faces and Definitive Collection LD's as well as the 1995 THX VHS.

Patrick

Post: #66559
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66559/action/topic#66559
Time: 22-Sep-2004 10:13 PM

I'm wondering if you could capture a still from the new DVD's and a still from the LD's, load both in something like Photoshop, and have it match the colors on the LD still to the DVD still. I could be a little off base with it being a photo program instead of a video program, but I hope you know what I mean. Hopefully, if is something that can be done without it having to be done frame by frame as the time involved would be tremendous.

Patrick

Post: #66271
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66271/action/topic#66271
Time: 22-Sep-2004 8:18 AM

MeBeJedi,

When you get to ESB, are you going to mix the sound back into the film of the snowspeeder spinning out of control and exploding? I really wish they would have left that sound in there on the Def. Coll. and Faces LD's and VHS tapes. It is on every other source.

I was wondering what type of LD Player you have. I have the Pioneer CDL-D703 which is the second best LD Player behind the Elites. The only thing keeping it second best is the lack of an AC-3 output which can easily be added. The best non-Elite player is the D704 which does have AC-3. Both the D703 and D704 models are identical except the AC-3 output. I just saw a D703 on Ebay for $40.99 with some included LD's and the remote. The D704's I saw on there where going for $175.00 which is a little steep. I did pay $220.00 for mine back in 2002, but it came with the manual, remote, and original box.

Patrick

Post: #66135
Topic: Star Wars DVD Music Mix Botched!!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66135/action/topic#66135
Time: 21-Sep-2004 5:03 PM

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"and wanted to attempt to spruce it up by fucking with the channels. lmfao"

LOL. I guess the technology to fuck up the soundtrack just didn't exist in 1975. Thank God for discreet channels.

BTW, anyone else notice that Obi-wan's "as if a thousand voices cried out...." line is missing?

Wow. How much of that line is missing? Man. Lucasfilm quality control really sucks. They will probably make some sort of excuse if that is brought to their attention like, "Oh, we felt that line didn't make any sense and the people wouldn't be able to understand. BTW. Keep buying the DVD's. Surrender your wallet to the Dark Side."

Patrick

Post: #65964
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65964/action/topic#65964
Time: 21-Sep-2004 1:16 PM

A friend of mine IVTC's segments. What they did was capture each side and IVTC that before putting it together. They said there are two places in the Def. Col. version of ANH where the pattern is off. One is where you see Ben and Luke go by the camera before switching to Han and Greedo. What they did there was capture that segment and IVTC it separately before they put it all together. I believe they also did all of the filtering.

If you just want to IVTC a segment in Virtual Dub, you can set the beginning and end of your captured file and cut the rest out.

BTW. Someone mentioned a few days ago that they knew an easy way to fix the TR47 4 second pause on ESB. However, they never posted the solution. I hope they come back.

Patrick

Post: #66005
Topic: An article of lies and disgust - George Lucas talks re the 2004 OT SE DVD release...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66005/action/topic#66005
Time: 21-Sep-2004 10:28 AM

You are right. I think that Episode III will probably be the same thing. I'm not going to go pay to see it. I may be the only one, but at one time, I wouldn't miss a Star Wars movie in the theater. I didn't care for Episode I, but I figured I would give the prequels a chance since it was only the beginning. Well, I hated Episode II even more. I didn't even buy the DVD. Speaking of TPM, I'm happy because one of my fiancee's students said they would buy the DVD from me for $10 since that is the only one they don't have on DVD. BTW. I didn't say I won't see Episode III, I just won't pay money to see it at the theater. Either my nephew will rent the DVD or I'll watch it when it hits HBO.

Back on the Original Trilogy. Why did he have to cause all of the dissention among the fans anyway? All he had to do was put both versions on the DVD's and include the '97 scenes that were updated in 2004 as extras and be done with it. I'll admit that I probably wouldn't be so hard on the prequels if he wasn't so hard on the Original Versions. Since he is, I saw that as a threat to the films I loved. If he would have released both versions, I probably would have tolerated the prequels and the changes, but they would still pale in comparison to the Original Versions.

What about the lame extras? I'm not going to knock the documentary because I haven't seen it. The lame extras are the Vader doc. and the videogame. Who the hell needs to see the Vader doc. in order to be fired up for Episode III? Those who are going to see it didn't need it to make their decision. They decided long ago. They really could have put some great stuff on their like the deleted scenes. Hell, I would rather have a documentary focusing on all of the toys that came out for it over the years than one for a videogame.

He won't show it, but I believe the problems with this release are going to take some of the wind out of Lucas' sails.

Patrick

Post: #65887
Topic: An article of lies and disgust - George Lucas talks re the 2004 OT SE DVD release...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65887/action/topic#65887
Time: 21-Sep-2004 1:57 AM

I'm going to keep up the good fight. People have to know that the audio is screwed up (music in rear channels is flipped) and that the Originals are not on the DVD's. They also have to know that Lucasfilm refuses to admit that there is an audio problem. These DVD's need to be recalled.

Patrick

Post: #65772
Topic: Star Wars DVD Music Mix Botched!!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65772/action/topic#65772
Time: 20-Sep-2004 4:44 PM

Do a search on The Home Theater's DVDFile's Forums concerning Back To The Future's problem and how you can have them exchanged for corrected versions. I'm not trying to be short with you, but that is the fastest way I can think of for you to see what the problem is and getting replacements. Basically, the Widescreen versions of Parts II and III are misframed so that you cannot see all of the verticle image that you should be able to see. I don't have the exchange information myself, but they have it on those forums. I also heard most people got their corrected discs in two weeks. Unfortunately, I don't think they ever sold corrected versions to stores. That's why I haven't been in a hurry to pick the set up, but I may soon because I have wanted it for some time.

As far as Star Wars and the Lucasfilm excuse ahem response. Are ESB and ROTJ affected in the same way? I think this is all karma. Lucas' and the fanboys' bashing of us who love the Original Versions and not releasing the Original Versions probably caused this. I'm sorry for the nice people who prefer those versions. However, I have little sympathy for those obnoxious Lucas fanboys on other sites who have constantly attacked us over the years for preferring the Original Versions. It serves and their god Lucas right. I would love to see the look on that idiot, Jim Ward's face when a lot of people start bitching to Lucasfilm and want their heads.

Patrick

Post: #65697
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65697/action/topic#65697
Time: 20-Sep-2004 1:41 PM

It looks like Bill Hunt updated his review and mentioned the ANH audio problems I mentioned earlier in this thread. It would be a terrible shame if all of the discs have to be recalled for one problem or another.
Glad I'm not buying them.

Patrick

Post: #65396
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65396/action/topic#65396
Time: 19-Sep-2004 11:29 PM

I found that cool ESB menu that I mentioned the other day. The link is here. He is still working on it, but I like what I have seen so far.

Patrick

Post: #65422
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65422/action/topic#65422
Time: 19-Sep-2004 7:39 PM

It almost seems that Lucas paid some of these reviewers to kiss his ass or something. At least Harry Knowles didn't bow down and give a rave review for these DVD's like I thought he would.

Patrick

Post: #65393
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65393/action/topic#65393
Time: 19-Sep-2004 5:24 PM

I also don't agree that Hayden should as a ghost in ROTJ. Why? Well because it is idiotic. I said this before but I guess I have to repeat it. It was Anakin Skywalker and not Darth Vader who threw the Emporer down the shaft in the Death Star. It was also Anakin who had Luke remove the mask so he could look on him with his own eyes before he died. Anakin died at that point and not at the point of becoming Darth Vader. Since Anakin was saved and died at that age, Sebastian Shaw should not have been replaced with Hayden. I don't give a crap what Lucas says. You don't see Ewan McGregor as the ghost of Obi-Wan do you?

Patrick

Post: #65331
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65331/action/topic#65331
Time: 19-Sep-2004 2:17 PM

I'm a die hard purist and prequel hater. Always have been and always will be. Someone has to be the Anti-Lucas. Until he starts putting out the Original Versions, he won't get one red cent from me. I also will not have very much nice to say about him until that time.

Also, the more Lucas fanboys and apoligists I see, the more I dislike him.

I'm a purist 100%. Japanese Anime has to be in Japanese, I have to watch Das Boot in German, Crouching Tiger has to be in Chinese (Madarin), black & white films have to stay in black & white, and all films have to be presented in their original aspect ratio. On the flipside, I have no problems with artists making changes to their own works as long as their original works are made available along with the revisions.

Patrick

Post: #65258
Topic: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65258/action/topic#65258
Time: 19-Sep-2004 8:16 AM

One of my only complaints with Fox is how the leave out the "Previously on..." on their releases of Angel, Buffy, and The X-Files. I believe the other Regions include those moments. They may seem minor, but the commentaries actually start during some of those moments, so the commentaries are not as complete as they are in Region 2 for instance. I don't care that Buffy is in Full Screen since that is the way Josh wants it. Other than that, Fox is one of my favorite studios as well.

Patrick

Post: #65230
Topic: An angry Review of the 2004 OT SE DVD's
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65230/action/topic#65230
Time: 19-Sep-2004 5:52 AM

At least Peter's review reflects more consistent feelings than Bill Hunt's. The only thing that bothers me is that both The Digital Bits and DVD File had banners from this site, but they do not anymore. Also Bill used to be really p.o. 'ed that the Original Versions were not going to be included on the DVD's. Since then, it seems that it doesn't bother him that much. I'm just as p.o. 'ed as ever and will not give in and buy this crap.

Patrick

Post: #65229
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65229/action/topic#65229
Time: 19-Sep-2004 5:48 AM

I was really excited the first time I saw the LD's I have. It was the first time I saw the Original Versions in widescreen since the theater. I noticed details and sounds that I hadn't before. It was like Christmas

Patrick

Post: #65150
Topic: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65150/action/topic#65150
Time: 18-Sep-2004 7:06 PM

Not to mention that it is hard to get replacement cases since they don't sell Snappers anywhere.

Patrick

Post: #65123
Topic: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65123/action/topic#65123
Time: 18-Sep-2004 4:50 PM

Warner has finally come around in many ways. Next year marks the end of the Snapper Case. They do cause you to double dip a little, but it is usually worth it as the rereleases fix something that was previously wrong like making a film Anamorphic that wasn't before. Also, most of their DVD rereleases are of movies that came out on DVD in the early days, so they are usually much better. I'm very pleased with the new Goodfellas DVD since it is no longer a flipper. It was a flipper before because it was one of the first DVD's ever released and there wasn't any dual layered DVD's at that time.

The only things I don't like about Warner are. There are still some movies need to be released in their original aspect ratio. Also, they do not do DTS or Seamless Branching. Other than that, I can't complain. Thank God the Snappers will be history. I just wish I could get replacement Keep Cases and artwork for the movies I have that are in Snappers. It sucks to have two Austin Powers films in Snappers and one in a Keep Case. The Matrix is the opposite. I like consistency.

Patrick

Post: #65016
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65016/action/topic#65016
Time: 17-Sep-2004 10:53 PM

Great work MeBeJedi. I knew you could do it. I've been at this off and on for two years and you have surpassed my efforts. I made the mistake of capturing mine with S-Video cable which introduced dot crawl everywhere. I may try that dot crawl removal filter, but I plan to recapture and start from scratch. Also, your menus and everything blow mine away.

I do want to pass on what I did concerning the slideshows on from the DC LD's. I didn't like how you kept having to press the step or forward button to change the pictures. So, what I did is capture all of the pictures while I pressed the button. I tried to wait around 5 seconds each time. What I did then, was use Virtual Dub and edit the capture file where each picture was 1 frame. I also split each group of pictures by subject, i.e. Droids, etc. I then used a photo editor to get rid of the interference that appeared at the bottoms of some of the pictures. Finally, I loaded the pictures into DVD-Lab which has a slideshow creation function where you can set the duration and other settings. I know other software can do this as well.

I put all of the slideshows on my extras disc which is divided into 3 sections. Each section is dedicated to one of the films. I used IFO Edit to create a Play All button since DVD-Lab didn't have that back then. I think they are supposed to make that function available in the future. My DVD is designed so that you can play one of the slideshows or all of them. I gave the slideshows their own submenus. I also divided the interviews up in a similar fashion. The only thing I didn't do was correct the volume level of them. I plan to do that next time since the volume of the interviews is inconsistent.

Just thought I would pass that along.

Patrick