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#1384955
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ANH 1997 Inspired Regrade with SE Soundmix (Version 2 Released, Version 3 W.I.P.)
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No worries.

Yeah, I can’t say how much of the green/teal shadows were in the original film, but from the various scans I’ve seen, they definitely show up. I was wondering if that was just from scanning problems, but I actually think they are part of the original grade, which I honestly kinda like. It has a neat look to it and helps break the image up from being entirely blue (or in the case of the default 2020 blu ray, purple for some reason).

Honestly, thanks for the feedback, my guy. Nice to know I have at least some interest in this project.

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#1384950
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Idea: Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind stereo remix
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Hey! I know you posted this a few years ago, but I have something similar to what you’re looking for! It’s not exactly what you wanted, but it’s still an enhanced sound mix! The video quality isn’t quite blu ray quality since at the time I could only use up-scaled DVD footage, but it’s not the worst thing ever. I plan of revising it some time soon, so I’ll layer the blu ray footage on top of it.

Check out my post: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Nausicaa-of-The-Valley-of-The-Wind-with-Redesigned-Sound-Mix/id/80202

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#1384949
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Nausicaa of The Valley of The Wind Redesigned Sound Mix (V2 Released)
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Nausicaa of The Valley of The Wind is without a doubt my favorite Studio Ghibli film and one of my top favorite animated films in general. But for as much as I love it, it definitely shows it’s age. One of the biggest indicators is it’s sound mix. Granted, this mainly is due to films during that era using what was available to them in terms of technology and what’s in their budget.

So, in order to further enhance the world of Nausicaa, I made a custom sound mix using more modern effects. There are bound to be many opinions out there as to how the film should sound. Due to this, I wanted to enhance the sound mix by simply adding effects rather than completely replacing the existing sound design. A good comparison to this approach is how one of the Superman Blu Rays simply took the already existing stereo mix and added more dynamic sounds to enhance the range of it’s sound design.

For the basis of the sound design, I felt that using effects from the vast library of Skywalker Sound would work for the film. I feel the texture of their effects works really well. This does of course include quite a few effects from Star Wars, but I made sure to mainly use sounds from vehicles that sound similar enough to real world aircraft. For example, because Nausicaa’s glider is jet powered, is smaller than most aircraft in the film and has an energy core that lights up, I felt using the sound of A-Wings from Star Wars would work perfectly for that. I could go all day talking about the specific sounds for each vehicle or aircraft and explaining why they fit them, but long story short, I feel I matched them well.

To still incorporate the distinct style of classic anime sound design, I also incorporated effects from other properties such as Samurai Jack, Dragon Ball Super and other miscellaneous sources. Below are both the video and audio sources for this edit.

Audio Sources:
-Skywalker Sound SFX (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, ETC.)
-Samurai Jack
-Dragon Ball Super

Video Sources:
-Sacra Studios Naussicaa DVD
-Gkids Blu Ray (Soon to be used for revised cut)

I plan on making a revised cut using footage from the Gkids Blu Ray. When I originally made this edit, I used an up-scaled version of the DVD from the Sacra Studios Ghibli Collection. It’s not the best quality, but since I can now rip Blu Ray footage, I’ll layer the 1080p footage over it when I revise it. Can’t say when since I’m currently working on other projects and don’t have the hard drive space. I’ll edit this post later on when the revised cut comes out. I’m also contemplating including a up-converted 5.1 mix as an optional bonus.

For anyone who is interest, go ahead and leave a reply and I’ll PM you a link to view it. Hope you all enjoy it.

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#1384854
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ANH 1997 Inspired Regrade with SE Soundmix (Version 2 Released, Version 3 W.I.P.)
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In these two samples, we have the Tantive IV boarding scene and Luke purchasing R2 and C-3PO.

Tantive IV: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VcKC066d2dpQfoBK-1oXoHtSnv7VoJiS/view?usp=sharing

Luke buying R2 and C-3PO: https://drive.google.com/file/d/19IKscSdF839wHs2C2MXZUk8H4urRnxZ1/view?usp=sharing

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#1384707
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ANH 1997 Inspired Regrade with SE Soundmix (Version 2 Released, Version 3 W.I.P.)
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Here are two video samples of the regrade. They include the duel between Obi-Wan and Vader as well as the Death Star Attack. Aside from the saturation and exposure boost, I also changed the color temperature ever so slightly and gave the shadows a slight tint of Teal so that the mid-tones and highlights are preserved.

When it comes to the Death Star Attack…dear god. While I stated I wasn’t confident in calling this project a recreation, I knew without a shred of doubt the Death Star Attack wasn’t even close. For whatever reason the Death Star attack, which has always ranged between being mainly grey or blue depending on the release, was colored with an overwhelming amount of purple. Though it took me several tries, I was able to change the purple into more of a cyan shade using HSL secondary tools and slightly adding cyan into the highlights.

Obi-Wan vs Vader Duel: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-HlThUZmAgc5yXYsussrypC1yrczLtID/view?usp=sharing

Death Star Attack: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ls2VcJxeufTKTTCaflGErgC_AkIPYEaC/view?usp=sharing

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#1384692
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ANH 1997 Inspired Regrade with SE Soundmix (Version 2 Released, Version 3 W.I.P.)
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Howdy everybody. For those of you who have been following this project, you won’t need to wait much longer for version 3. For those of you just tuning in, let me give you the run down.

This, ladies and gentleman, is a (somewhat) shot by shot regrade of the 2020 bluray of A New Hope with the goal to be as close in spirit as the 1997 Special Edition Theatrical Cut. Sources for accomplishing the accuracy of this cut are minimal and unreliable at best. While this project may not be the definitive project (that will likely be 4K97IV or 4K77 v2), it’s a pretty close approximation of what it could have looked like for a home release on DVD or Blu Ray. How close you may ask? Here’s how.

Based on word of mouth from audiences and George Lucas himself, the theatrical cut of A New Hope Special Edition had a color timing that used an old Technicolor film print as a color reference. While enthusiasts have stated the 97 cut has it’s differences from the old print, such as being slightly cooler in color temperature, the similarities outweigh them.

With that information in mind, I decided to scrap what I made up until version two of my regrade and color match the blu ray to the most accurate source currently available, 4K77. Specifically, Sanjuro’s color grade of 4K77. I went with his grade as the main source for two reason. One was because his color grade is noticeably colder than the main color grade done by Williarob, a detail that is relevant to the 97 cut. The other reason is because Williarob’s grade is meant to resemble what the film looked like in theaters, whereas Sanjuro’s grade is a retooled “what if” color grade of the Technicolor print if it was set for home release. In other words, it doesn’t have the super high contrast look most 35mm scans tend to have and the colors are more neutral.

I’m also treating this regrade as a semi reconstruction/full reconstruction of the special edition alterations exclusive to the 97 cut. Because certain alterations did NOT look to good for 1997 cgi, I have used updated versions of them, such as the updated Jabba from the 2004/2011 cut. Of course, not all of the alterations bug me so small things like the extended detention block hallway are still in. For those who perhaps like seeing the changes exclusive to the 97 cut, I am offering an alternate version that accommodates them. Here’s a list of what each version has:

Semi-Authentic:
-Updated Jabba
-Extended Detention Block Hallway
-Updated Lightsabers

Full-Authentic:
-Film grain is applied to 2020 blu ray footage
-Original 97 Jabba
-Detention Block hallway is restored to original length
-Original Lightsaber effects during Obi Wan vs Vader duel

On the audio side of things, I’ll be including all kinds of goodies.

Audio Tracks (Semi Authentic):
-My Dolby TrueHD mixdown of the 1997 Cinema DTS Audio
-Schorman’s synced 2011 DTS track
-Schorman’s synced 2020 7.1 track

Audio Tracks (Full Authentic):
-My Dolby TrueHD mixdown of the 1997 Cinema DTS Audio
-1997 Laserdisc AC3 5.1 track
-1997 Laserdisc Stereo PCM track

More info will be updated as time goes on. Listed below are some samples.

Section of the Death Star Attack: https://youtu.be/5Wnvj2kCZjg

Death Star Meeting Room: https://youtu.be/KnOhJHBC2jI

Jabba Conversation: https://youtu.be/a4dJL7it0MI

Original Post as of Version 2:
Howdy. This is the first big project I’ve contributed here, so patience is appreciated.
This is a 1997 Special Edition Regrade of A New Hope. I debated calling it a recreation, but I can’t in good confidence say it’s 100% accurate. However, I can say it’s an “approximate” recreation of what it looked like going off scans that are available of the 1997 version. I say this because I mainly used footage from the 2020 Disney 1080p Blu Ray bundled in the UHD release, which from what I understand has a color timing very similar to the 1997 release.

By default, the 2020 Blu ray is too de-saturated and the overall picture is too dim. Certainly a better effort than the 2004/2011 releases, but it’s strange how a dim picture is a reoccurring problem. In terms of the alterations I made, I gave the footage a 20-30% saturation boost and increased the exposure. To capture even more of the 1997 spirit, I included the 1997 DTS Soundmix.

Sources:
-2020 Disney 1080p Blu Ray
-Poita’s 1997 35MM Scans for color reference
-DrDre’s Technicolor Color References
-Harmy’s Respecialized 97 for audio source and shot replacement for the rocks in front of R2 and the 97 timing of the Han and Greedo shootout.

With version 2 finished, I’m going to be taking a break from ANH for awhile and move onto the other movies. I will likely make a version 3 with more adjustments if I spot something off or if enough people offer some constructive criticism. Same as always, PM me if you are interested in viewing it.

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#1379636
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Info Wanted: OT 1997 Special Edition Color Timing Accuracy
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screams in the void said:

one way I get around the color saturation issues with the blu ray is that I have a 55 inch LG smart tv that allows me to apply various filters …so for the 2011 blu ray release , I just apply the “cinema” filter ,which automatically desaturates the image and gives it a more filmic look . For the 2019 release , I apply the "vivid " filter ,which helps boost the color a little bit .Now , if I hook my vcr up to that tv and pop in the 97 SE ,it strikes a nice balance , at the loss of hd of course ,but the colors look nice .

Interesting work around. I’ll keep that in mind next time I feel like watching them. I honestly find it funyy how it never seems we can get an entirely solid release of the OT. The 2011 blu ray is too dim and saturated, but then you have the reverse issue with the 2019 releases. It just sucks that fans have to resort to fixes like that in order to enjoy a movie.

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#1379261
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Favorite OT Color Grade (Official Releases)
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I’ll have to take a look at that. I didn’t think the GOAT releases would have a project like that given it’s questionable quality. I wish at some point we can get a blu-ray release one of these centuries that is color matched to the Tech print. It’s coloring is crisp yet not overly saturated. It finds ways to liven up the image even in areas that seem borderline monochromatic.

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#1378879
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Info Wanted: OT 1997 Special Edition Color Timing Accuracy
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Stotchy said:

Even the “digital” home video remasters deliberately departed from the theatrical colors to create a specific “aesthetic” to their look.

The 04 and 11SEs, I really don’t know what they we’re going for. Incompetence maybe?

The 1920SEs have gone for a muted and more desaturated look. Empire has a green/blue push introduced, whilst Jedi has a red push making everything look kinda brown. However in these releases there is pretty good shot to shot consistency so you can do a lot with a single color correction to the whole films to improve them.

Check out Jedi Destiny if you’re interested. We’re also working on Empire atm.

If memory serves me, George wanted the 2004/2011 releases to have a similar look to the prequels…which really doesn’t work on films from the late 70s and 80s. I think if the blacks weren’t crushed, highlights weren’t clipped and the overall saturation was brought down by 20%, they could’ve been better.

I REALLY don’t know how to feel about the 2019 releases. They just look so desaturated. The original cuts weren’t that saturated to begin with, but they still found ways to make the image vibrant. You aren’t wrong though, a bit of correction would definitely work considering the image is consistent in color. In fact, don’t the 2019 releases base the color timing on the 1997 releases? Obviously not one to one, but I compared certain frames to 1997 scans and they match up with the exception of color temperature.

I’ll definitely check that out. Been looking at newer projects lately ever since I joined recently. I’m a kid in a candy store right now.

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#1378666
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Favorite OT Color Grade (Official Releases)
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Of all the official releases of the OT, which ones do you like the most for their color grading? I often find when watching a release I havent seen before, the grading is what often has the biggest part in whether I like it or not. If for some reason you don’t like the entire set of films in one release, then pick for each individual film.

Going off of 35mm scans I’ve seen and certain aspects of the home releases on VHS and Laserdisc, my personal favorite is all three of the 1997 Special Editions. For as controversial as they may be (not to mention despised), I think they do a good job of giving the films an updated and vibrant color grade that still has the spirit of the original grading. Best of all, the blacks aren’t crushed into submission.

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#1378532
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Info Wanted: OT 1997 Special Edition Color Timing Accuracy
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True. With how digital mastering and all that other technical stuff is so complicated and difficult to get right, I would guess some accuracy is lost. I just wouldn’t think it would be drastically different in terms of color pallette. The home releases look to have a lot of blue and teal in the image. Tatooine has a bizarre amount of it for being a desert location. I mainly asked because I kinda prefer Harmy’s Respecialized color timing.

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#1378346
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Info Wanted: OT 1997 Special Edition Color Timing Accuracy
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Hey everyone. I was hoping to get some info on the color timing of the 1997 Special Editions. It mainly comes down to debunking conflicting information I keep seeing across internet.

  1. I’ve been told that when the 1997 versions came out on VHS and Laserdisc, the color timing wasn’t the same as when it was in theaters. Is that really the case?

  2. Between Team Blu’s 720p upscale of ANH and Harmy’s Respecialized, which one is considered to be the more accurate to how they were released theaters?