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If GL made the PT first
He couldn't have made the films any better by starting at episode 1 and finishing at 6, because no-one would have cared a damn after watching the first one.

He couldn't write an interesting Episode 1, so he started with the story already running, and instead presented what would appear to be an interesting episode of what seemed to be a much larger story. Which was very cool, and left lots of room for people to fill in whatever details for themselves , or speculate what had happened before we got to see Vader board Leia's ship. The mistake he made was going back and trying to fill in the story holes without what would seem to be even a casual fans knowledge of the films Star Wars, ESB and ROTJ. Instead he used total ownership of the franchise to bitch-slap everyone around (including the story) to try to fit his visual fantasies onto the screen.

Personally, I wish he had just made some new piece of crap to do that with, and leave SW alone.
Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
There is no doubt that this site has become choked by posts from Go-Mer-Tonic. If it was my site, I would have banned you for that alone. But it's not, and untill the number of visits a day drops to the point where the revenue stream dwindles to making the site unprofitable, I guess the site owners are happy for the focus to shift from the OT to Go-Mer.

I used to like popping in each day to see what OT discussion may be taking place, by a bunch of people that happened to share some sort of love of the OT. Maybe the chance to learn something new about the OT that I hadn't read before, or even something that explains some point in the PT that helps me enjoy that mess just a little better. Not everyone agreed with stuff. They usually said their piece, maybe had some sparring back and forth in that relevant thread, and other threads continued on as normal.

Now almost everytime I log in here, the last post on multiple threads is by Go-Mer....and my interest in wading through his shit just evaporates, and I log out of the forum and go somewhere else on the 'net. I have no doubt that you should be banned, as you are indeed sucking the life out of this forum. I'm not sure if that is your intention, but the posts you make and the sheer number of them, mean that you have become the theme of the site.


Here's my stance
the version I have of The Hobbit is from 1995, and has a note at the front stating:

" The Hobbit was first published in Septemper 1937. Its 1951 second edition (fifth impression) contains a significantly revised portion of Chapter V, Riddle in the Dark, which was done in order to bring the storyline of The Hobbit more in line with its sequal, The Lord of the Rings, then in progress. Tolkien made some further revisions to the American edition published by Ballantine Books in February 1966, and to the British edition published by George Allen & Unwin in paperback later that same year.

This newely reset edition is based on the third edition of 1966, but also contains a number of further corrections of misprints and errors. It represents as closely as possible Tolkien's final intended form. Readers interested in details of the changes made at various times to the text of The Hobbit are referred to Appendix A, Textual and Revisional Notes, of The Annotated Hobbit (1988), and J.R.R. Tolkien: A Descriptive Bibliography by Wayne G. Hammond, with the assistance of Douglas A. Anderson (1993)

Douglas A. Anderson
7th December 1994 "

They managed to get that info across without denials of it ever happening, or without refering to people that wish to find and enjoy the uneditted version as being " delightly deranged" or how ever Mr. Rick put it.

My girlfriend has never seen Star Wars!
geez man. you are gonna look back on this in ten years and scream " what the hell was I thinking??"

priorities need to be set here.

your stinky old star wars movies will still be sitting there waiting for you when the chick is bored and long gone. thats when you drag them out and watch them...not when she's sitting next to you drooling , going " give me some sugar baby !". and youre going , in a nasally voice " no, watch this...Ben disappears! "

I mean, I love the movies, but sheesh. I never knocked back some action so I could watch one of the stupid things.

And I sure as hell wouldn't expect some poor person that sees something in you besides your uber SW collection to sit through the PT. what on earth could she have done to deserve such abuse of a friendship? poor girl

"..secret to the future is quantity," Lucas said
I think you missed the point of the article, Pinky Tuscadero.

I didn't link it for the $175 mill he donated. That is not new news. It's a nice tax deduction.

Whilst some people strive for quality, Lucas strives for quantity. I'm surprised he admits it. That explains the PT just a little more.

He also claims he could make 50 movies for $200 mill? Hahah. That is really funny. He can't make one decent one for $200 mill now. What kind of crap could he make for $4 mill?
Could you imagine sitting thru 120 hours of cheap trash with GL's brand on it? That just sounds cruel to me.

He can't get SS to agree with him on Indy 4? That must be hell for him, not having someone just grab whatever shit he can come up with and hold it up and scream " Behold ! Another Gem from George !! "
"..secret to the future is quantity," Lucas said

Lucas talks crap in Variety. Would sell his dead cat for $5.

A cut and paste of the article follows.

George Lucas has a message for studios that are cutting their slates and shifting toward big-budget tentpoles and franchises: You’ve got it all wrong.

The creator of “Star Wars,” which stamped the template for the franchise-tentpole film, says many small films and Web distribution are the future.

And in case anyone doubts he means it, Lucasfilm is getting out of the movie biz.

"We don’t want to make movies. We’re about to get into television. As far as Lucasfilm is concerned, we’ve moved away from the feature film thing because it’s too expensive and it’s too risky.

“I think the secret to the future is quantity,” Lucas said.

He spoke to Daily Variety after the groundbreaking ceremony for the renamed School of Cinematic Arts at USC.

He gave $175 million – $100 million toward the endowment, $75 million for buildings – to his alma mater. But he said that kind of money is too much to put into a film.

Spending $100 million on production costs and another $100 million on P&A makes no sense, he said.

"For that same $200 million, I can make 50-60 two-hour movies. That’s 120 hours as opposed to two hours. In the future market, that’s where it’s going to land, because it’s going to be all pay-per-view and downloadable.

“You’ve got to really have a brand. You’ve got to have a site that has enough material on it to attract people.”

He said he’s even discussed the subject with Pixar’s Steve Jobs and John Lasseter.

“If you don’t do very many movies, and you’re really lucky, and you really know what you’re doing, you can get away with it. But you know at some point you’re going to lose a game.”

Lucas said he believes Americans are abandoning the moviegoing habit for good.

“I don’t think anything’s going to be a habit anymore. I think people are going to be drawn to a certain medium in their leisure time and they’re going to do it because there is a desire to do it at that particular moment in time. Everything is going to be a matter of choice. I think that’s going to be a huge revolution in the industry.”

That doesn’t mean Lucasfilm is diving into online distribution, though. “Having had a lot of experience in this area, we’re not rushing in,” he said. “We’re trying to find out exactly where the monetization is coming from. We’re not interested in jumping down a rat hole until such time as it finally figures itself out.”

Nor is Lucasfilm’s exit from features instant or absolute. “Indiana Jones 4” is still in development. “Steve (Spielberg) and I are still working away, trying to come up with something we’re happy with. Hopefully, in a short time, we will come to an agreement. Or something,” Lucas said, without a great deal of enthusiasm.

Lucasfilm also is working on “Red Tails,” a film about the Tuskegee airmen of WWII.

“I’ve been working on that for about 15 years,” he said, adding that he’s also been working on “Indy 4” for 15 years.

And Lucas Animation does plan to start making feature films – eventually.

“Right now we’re doing television, which looks great. I’m very, very happy with it,” he said of his toon division. “And out of doing the animation, we’re getting the skill set and the people and putting the studio in place so we can do a feature. But it’s probably going to be another year before we have the people and the systems in place to do a feature film.”

Lucas admitted the big-budget strategy has done well for him in the past, but said, “We’re not going to do the $200 million investments.”

He calls himself “semi-retired” but reiterated his plans to direct “small movies, esoteric in nature,” after his other projects are launched. He expects to serve as exec producer on the two features and the TV shows, including a live-action “Star Wars” skein.

At the USC groundbreaking, Lucas was honored amid cannon shots of confetti and fanfares from the USC Marching Band for his gift, the largest in the school’s history.

Other bizzers in attendance included Lucas pals Robert Zemeckis and Spielberg.

Lucas said the gift is intended to set an example for the rest of the entertainment industry, as well as other universities.

“In a lot of industries, the people in the industry give a lot of money to the schools that produce the people who are their employees,” he said, pointing to the auto industry as an example. "The film industry doesn’t seem to be too enthusiastic about that idea. I’d love to see the industry do more.

"As self-interest, it’s good to have the best trained people working for you. And the best trained people come from film school.

“The world of moving images hasn’t had a lot of respect (in academia),” said Lucas. “But it’s the major form of communication in the 21st century.”

This $175 million, he said, is meant to “put other universities on notice that this is an important discipline that needs to be fostered.”


Mod Edit: a working link to the above ‘Lucas tilts at studio tentpoles’ article can be found here:-


For Those who bought the Sept. 12th Release, Thoughts so far?

no. the theory of it bothers me , but its forgotten when I'm watching the movie with my kid.


yes, very much so.

the opposite actually. the throwing-my-arms-up-in-disgust happened a long time ago. this has been the first decent thing he's thrown my way in almost ten years

no. SW saga is 3 movies made long, long ago. I have 2 of the PT movies on dvd, but I think of them as brain teasers that I watch and try to work out wtf is going on, and consider how someone with all the resources at their disposal can make something so fucked up.


toughest question of the lot. yes and no. I will probably always wish that the SE's were just something for the cinemas in 97, and they would be released side-by-side with the O-OT, instead of single file over the top of them. Or that if they 'fixed' them, they would have spent the time and money to 'do it right', so I wouldn't feel the need to get a copy of the film without the hacks. But, alas, they didnt. I am glad that for a brief time, I can get the old films on dvd cheaply. As for remastered goes, I think that many of us have a different opinion on just what should and shouldnt be done to the films to get them to the standard 'we' want. With all the possibilities for them to screw them up again, I'm not sure just what they would pass over to us as their finished, remastered product. As for contentment, well..I am a Star Wars fan. Doesn't that say it all?

Happy Birthday Mark Hamill - September 25th
I'd rather be sitting next to Hamill on a plane trip than any of the other SW people. He knows the score.

"I've learned that the movies [Star Wars] will never finally end. It just goes on and on and on and on. I mean, it's going to be in 3D, then it's going to be smellivision, then it's going to be a ride in an amusement park, then they'll come to your house and perform it with puppets on your lawn ... it'll never end! I accepted that a long time ago."

Mark Hamill's Entertainment work on IMDB

Happy Birthday Mark Hamill - September 25th

I happened to watch the Just Shoot me episode again, where he plays himself and pesters Finch about every little thing he does, as payback for Finch asking him constant questions about SW. Which got me thinking...

Is there a list of Mark Hamill appearances where he sends up his Luke char? Maybe some apart from:

Just Shoot Me
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
Lego Star Wars II
I have the PC version, and a tub full of the SW Lego that my kids and I enjoy.

It's a great game. They added more gaming options than the first game had ( the OT better than the PT? Who could have guessed?.....).

You can port a save over from the first game so you have another 50 chars to play with, has adaptive hardness you can switch on, can play special bounty hunter levels, timed runs of special levels where you try to collect 1 million studs, speed runs of all the levels for each movie together, special levels using the mini space ships, plus the mix and match option to make your own chars using the parts of other chars( i.e. red lightsaber gives a char sith powers). On top of the studs which the first game had, LSW2 has gold and red bricks to collect as well, which open other levels.

You can also play any of the cutscenes when you are back in the Cantina after you have opened them. I think there are about 60 of those when you are finished, some of which run for a couple of minutes by themselves.

Much to do.

Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
8 is being pretty generous. I'd say 5 or 6.

The problem with screencaps is it doesn't show the constant minor left and right horizontal movement of the picture either. I'm guessing that would be on ESB and ROTJ too, because it sure is on Star Wars. It's visible on both LCD comp screen and my widescreen telly. It's not there during the updated logo at start, or the menu's, but once the actual film starts, the weave starts.

It doesn't look like any other DVD I own. If I hadn't known what I was getting, I probably would have taken it back to the store claiming it was faulty. It looks kinda like a pre cable/ digital broadcast ..without the adverts. I'll still buy the other two movies I didn't buy today, just so I can watch them without the SE stuff added. Sitting there with my 3 year old today, watching the Cantina scene, she clicked straight away that this was a different movie.

" Han shoots! High five ! " she screamed, and held her hand up for a high-five. Then she said " He shot Greedo, cause he is bad".

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what having these grainy versions is about for me.