replying to rlockhart:
I think you can do that but you'd need a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player to actually play it
Maybe it's not your processor, couldn't your video card have something to do with it? A lot of FX rendering could be video card intensive as well. I'm sure people worked with editing and compositing in HD on normal workstations when quad cores were relatively unheard of.
adywan said:
Octorox said:
JohnGreenArt said:
negative1 said:
by the way, if you can't tell, i'm a purist, i prefer the 77 star wars, and the 81 ep V, and 83 ep VI, but i don't mind watching the SE versions ('from time to time'), but i don't consider them as a replacement.............more like a fan edit..
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The 1981 version of ESB? I didn't know there was an '81 version different than the '80 version. What are the changes?
I myself don't mind the Star Wars re-release with "A New Hope" added.
As for Sith eyes, they're not needed. The story is told just fine without them.
Well was the planet under the Death Star needed? Was the new death star reveal and battle of the heroes along with Obi and Vader's fight needed? Where the million news Ties and fighters in the yavin battle needed? Not really. My point is that Sith eyes look cool, and this would be the perfect place to put them in. I don't mean to whiny or anything but really only Ady can decide what's needed and what's not.
benefits of Sith eyes-
They look cool
They communicate the purpose of the scene more clearly, especially to younger viewers (showing what Luke could become if he chooses the wrong path)
They create another visual link to the PT without ruining the integrity of OT
Well was the planet under the Death Star needed? well yes. the death star was still under construction. In ROTJ it orbits a planet with a protective shield and is a base of operations. It made sense to mirror this fact in ANH
Where the million news Ties and fighters in the yavin battle needed? Not really. again, yes. It was a battle and all the Empire sent out to destroy 30 ships was 5 TIE fighters? There weren't millions either there were only 40. Something that was added to flesh out the battle and have it more of a struggle for the Rebels
benefits of Sith eyes-
They look cool - And thats a HUGE reason not to add them. I don't add stuff in just because it will look cool. That's post SE GL territory and i'm never going down that dark path
They communicate the purpose of the scene more clearly, especially to younger viewers (showing what Luke could become if he chooses the wrong path)
They create another visual link to the PT without ruining the integrity of OT - Well i saw ESB when it first came out in 1980. I was 13 and i went with my brother who was only 9 and some of his friends and they all got it. I think you underestimate the intelligence of the younger viewer. Some things do not need to be explained. it up to the viewer to interpret a scenes meaning. If everything is added to explain everything then it takes away the magic of movies and becomes pretty boring.There will be no Sith eyes in the OT:Revisited. The Emperor was the only one who ever had the so called Sith eyes until ROTS. If they are supposed to depict that someone is evil & that someone has turned to the dark side then why the hell didn't Dooku have them? Another thing GL added to screw things up without actually thinking about it just because it would look cool. I have said numerous times that i will NOT be adding anything from the PT to the OT. The problems the PT brought up with continuity will be dealt with when i get to the PT.
On another not i have to say a big thank you to everyone who contributed. I have now ordered the quad core and it comes tomorrow. So after tomorrow is down to restarting the colour correction and fixes that i have already done and work at 720p now. :)
Okay, I won't bring it up anymore. It's your edit and I have no right to argue. I guess it's just that I grew up with the PT and the KOTOR game so to me sith eyes=dark side. However you DID add things from the PT in ANH Revisited (The AOTC Death Star Schematics, a Battle Droid in the junkpile and the Battle of the Heroes music, all additions that I loved) and you did say that one of your primary concerns with these edits was to bridge the PT and the OT. Also I would hate to see the Sith eyes removed in ROTS...and btw Dooku was a conflicted character, he never really drew from the Dark Side as heavily as the others, I honestly like edits where he gets a yellow lightsaber and he would only need Sith eyes in parts of the fight scene with Yoda...but I digress
Anyway here's a more important concern. The red lighting from the Executor's engines look incredibly fake in many shots, like the back part of the Exercutor was just tinted red, there's no real lighting and it almost looks like static flames or something are sprouting out of the back. I'm talking about side shots of the Executor like this one
Looks nothing like
Also to echo my suggestion again about the lack of green in the surface of Dagobah as viewed from Outer Space.
Lastly I really would have liked 1080p so that the project is essentially future-proof (for a while anyway) but beggers cant be choosers
JohnGreenArt said:
negative1 said:
by the way, if you can't tell, i'm a purist, i prefer the 77 star wars, and the 81 ep V, and 83 ep VI, but i don't mind watching the SE versions ('from time to time'), but i don't consider them as a replacement.............more like a fan edit..
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The 1981 version of ESB? I didn't know there was an '81 version different than the '80 version. What are the changes?
I myself don't mind the Star Wars re-release with "A New Hope" added.
As for Sith eyes, they're not needed. The story is told just fine without them.
Well was the planet under the Death Star needed? Was the new death star reveal and battle of the heroes along with Obi and Vader's fight needed? Where the million news Ties and fighters in the yavin battle needed? Not really. My point is that Sith eyes look cool, and this would be the perfect place to put them in. I don't mean to whiny or anything but really only Ady can decide what's needed and what's not.
benefits of Sith eyes-
They look cool
They communicate the purpose of the scene more clearly, especially to younger viewers (showing what Luke could become if he chooses the wrong path)
They create another visual link to the PT without ruining the integrity of OT
Ripplin said:
HotRod said:
Luke Vader said:Octorox said:
Give the head of Luke seen in Vader's mask on Dagobah sith eyes. I think that could really enhance this scene
Great idea!!! And do the same in ROTJ when Luke is about to kill Vader then make them return to normal when he realizes what he's about to become.
And no...Not a good idea at all!!!
An interesting idea, I'll give you that, but I agree 101% with HotRod. The "sith eyes" thing is just a cheesy thing that many, many filmmakers have used as a way of saying "ok, people, this guy is really bad/possessed." It's a total cliché and I just roll my eyes everytime I see it. This would be another instance of doing something just because he can, which is not the way to think.
I didn't want it in ROTJ because Luke actually never turns to the Dark side, just in the cave. Also, I believe film is a visual medium and as much should be told as possible through visual means If you imply everything you might as well write a book.
Wow, that is neat.
Here's an idea I had for both ESB and ROTJ but it might be too radical for this edit and it would comletely screw the EU but I would so like to see it. Here's the basic premise: Make Endor a Moon of Coruscant. Make the planet under the Death Star in ROTJ Coruscant, as seen in ROTS, with Endor visible far in the distance. In ESB, after the Hologram scene, have the Emperor cackling at his office desk with a cloudy skyed gloomy Coruscant cityscape in the background. Have stardestroyers visible in the atmosphere and TIES patrolling the city. A partially completed Death Star could be seen in the distance in the sky of Coruscant while the Emperor gazes at all of the destruction around. Elements could be composited from the ROTS deleted scenes, ROTS and ROTJ. The whole thing just seems like a great way to tie the OT with the PT and add whiz bang effects without cheapening the OT. The TIE attack and the new death Star reveal made ANH Revisited as much as all of the little tweaks did. I hope ESBR doesn't become the Purist edition. I can see how this could all be hell to do but even just adding Coruscant in ROTJ would be enough.
Other suggestions:
Make Dagobah (as viewed from space) look like it does in the ROTS deleted scene. I know it's better to make the PT match the OT but Empire Dagobah looks like it could be Hoth for god's sake! It's just so blue and washed out.
Give the head of Luke seen in Vader's mask on Dagobah sith eyes. I think that could really enhance this scene
I'd also like it if you could keep the one SE shot where the Wampa is flailing with his arm cut off. After Luke already defeats the Wampa there is no need to keep the tension and it would be like a little "reward" for the viewer to see the whole Wampa. You'd have to fix the Wampa's face to match earlier shots though. Trash all the other SE Wampa footage though
ben_danger said:
maybe another battledroid reference could be added?
How about a super battle droid? And then we could find a place in ROTJ to put a destroyer? It would be a great running gag
Iv'e always hated Palp's transformation in Ep III. I'd prefer to think the disfigurement came through the years of artificially prolonging his life using the Dark side of the force. I wish Palp could have just have looked like himself (pre-transformation) but paler and with sith eyes that flare up at times throughout EpIII. A slow transformation through the Dark side makes more sense than instant disfigurement.
Now that I've seen all of the emperor holograms, I like Ady's the best but I do think the scene needs some emperor's theme. I like GMs interruption though. I'd like to see Ady's lastest version with GMs interruption (but no "how is that possible") and some emperor's theme.
Just to clarify, Here's a pic of Ady's emperor again
astromech said:
I've had a look at GM's first edit of the Vader-Emperor convo and didn't think it was a bad compromise. I can see why there's a question over Vader repeating 'but he's just a boy' when the Emperor has already said he's a boy, but you could interpret that as Vader trying to come to terms with the fact that Luke would be as big a threat as the Emperor is implying. The interruption works well, but as said, the musical ending to the first edit was a little overpowering. However, having seen the second edit, it now seems that there is something a little lacking when he bows his head, as if there should be something to end the scene. Didn't the original one have a drum timpani ending to the scene (like a dum-dum type thing)?
On the subject of the Emperor, I'd like to see him clouded in a little more darkness. It's all very well seeing him, but I preferred the Emperor to be a little more mysterious. The 2004 additions were almost an exclamation of ILM saying 'Look what we've done!' (along with a lot of the additions they made).
Your second concern was already fixed in the DVD9 trailer. Look a few pages back.
I think the problem with that is really that his black leather ROTS garb looks to dark and evil and out of place on an old guy. My opinion is just to make a version with Hayden and one with Shaw. As someone who grew up with the Prequels and SEs and saw them in order 1-6, having Hayden at the end of Jedi was really powerful for me and gave a sense of finality to the saga. However, I completely understand that someone who grew up with the OT would feel the exact opposite way.
Also in regards to the hologram conversation. I think, as it is, The tension between Vader and the Emperor is not apparent enough. Vader wants to join Luke and overthrow the Emperor while Palps is tired of having a Nerfed cybernetic apprentice who needs life support to breathe and sees Luke as an oppurtunity to have a pre-Vader Anakin. the scene should not show complaince but uneasiness. The new version tried to fix that but failed miserably. I'm working on a not so great Internet connection so I haven't been able to download any of GM's versions yet but they sound good.
I really like the idea of seeing Palpatine grinning at his desk in Coruscant after the Hologram sequence. Can it be done?
I liked it. I thought that at times it looked more real than the Star Wars prequels.
Thanks. I guess uncompressed should be fine for me, since I have 1 TB of space. I'll figure out how big the file is after I've encoded it. I went with 10-bit uncompressed. I hope that's the best possible quality
The one on youtube isn't the final version though
I'm in the process of getting files off a Video TS folder using MPEG Streamclip, into Final Cut Pro and eventually onto a new DVD. That being said, what should I rip the files to in MPEG Streamclip for editing? I'd like to have the least visible degradation of quality as possible but I certainly don't need huge lossless files. I just want something that can be edited in FCP and burned back onto a DVD with results similar to the original DVD. I'm thinking of using plain old DV, would DVCPRO50 be better? Would it be harder to edit? I know files on a DVD are already highly compressed so what would be the best format? Directly editing the mpeg 2 files probably wouldn't work too well.
I always thought it would be cool to have a Star Wars DVD/Blu-Ray where you could turn SE elements on or off during the movie like subtitles. Press a button and the cg is there, press it again it's gone. You could even toggle through the newest version 2004, 97 ect.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6JYg84qH8w8&feature=related
George only watches one of his own movies every five years or so...
quoting boba feta:
That looks great to me. You'll never be able to get it looking perfect enough to reinsert into the film because the source material is at such a low resolution and bitrate but that is certainly far better than the original.
You know, the ones with Luke and Biggs on Tatooine and Luke’s original intro? It would be nice to see those cleaned up and reinserted into the movie.
