I'm kind of confused about formats and such. The NTSC version does not have PAL speedup. right? Even though it's not noticeable, that would annoy me to no end.
Is this still being edited? I've made quite a few suggestions a while back that I don't see on the list. Some of them have already been shot down but some on the list have been shot down as well.
1.) Wall-E / Ratatuiolle (tie)
2.) The Incredibles
3.) Toy Story
4.) Finding Nemo
And I don't remember the others to well...but I know that I don't really like Nemo, I should watch them all again, didn't see Cars
And whats with all the hate for Ratatuiolle (sorry if I spelled that wrong). I thought that movie was a masterpiece. It felt like a classic disney movie. Many of the scenes and characters were great, the story and writing was mature and clever and the animation had a photorealistic quality coupled with the fluid expressiveness of traditional animation.
negative1 said:
the last few pixar movies been pretty hit and miss for me..
monsters inc-miss, finding nemo-miss, incredibles - hit,
cars - HUGE HIT, ratatouille- miss............and now this....... wall-e.....
it's the first pixar movie that made me ambivalent............it wasn't bad...
but it wasn't very good either...the story was a complete bore, there
was not motivation for anything that happened, and the graphics were average....
no pixar slipped up, and the public (not that i care) also seems to think so,
have you seen the ratings/reviews/box office? hardly a dent..................and
the long term implications don't looks so great either........
i like the trailers, i like robots, and it looked promisingl......................however,
finally seeing what seems like robot-romance-environment-saving-plot was
boring me to tears............................not one bit of humor, action, or anything
worthwhile to make it special........
pixar needs to go back to the drawing boards.........bring on cars 2, toy story 3, and incredibles 2..
i'm waiting......
later
-1
Are you freaking kidding me? Wall-E was a masterpiece. This, Incredibles, and Ratatouille are on a tier of their own as far as cg animated movies go. And Box Office numbers mean nothing. All they mean is how much of a mass market appeal a movie has. In a day where parents are afraid their kids wont be able to sit still for 5 minutes, crappy but colorful and cheesy kids movies are going to do better than slow paced but thoughtful and beautifully done children's movies. And there is plenty of action and humor in Wall-E. Thre humor is subtle and intelligent rather than being over the top and stupid.
Really liked Incredibles
Really Really liked Ratatouille
Didn't see Cars
Really Really like Wall-E
I've seen Nemo so many times it's lost it's appeal and by today's standards the CG looks dated...I find the character's annoying...I still really like Toy Story though
Sluggo said:
"Around the survivors, a perimeter create."
Oh god, I hate how they have to do that with every single Yoda line in the prequels. in ESB it wasn't every line.
Jor Tallen said:
I also agree that the OT should not be modified to fit the PT. Any unevenness exposes the flaws in the PT, not the OT.
And while it's getting ahead of things, I've always hated that Boba Fett 'dies' in ROTJ. Best to leave it open to the potential for his survival, as he does in EU stories. There is no reason to step on those story lines. As I understand Adywan's philosophy, this is about preserving Star Wars while refining the technical and fx side of things, not rewriting it (at least not the OT).[ROTJ was terrific. Jabba the Hutt, Yoda, Boba Fett, another Death Star, Admiral Ackbar, the Emperor, good story line...and yes, I even liked the Ewoks. Could the battle have been orchestrated in a more believable and realistic manner? Yes. But as Yoda said, "Judge me by my size, do you?"]
I think the easiest and least instrusive solution to the "Boba" issue would be to just give him a better scream or even no scream. Yes, he still dies in a silly fashion but I don't think anything in the OT ought to be completely revised. Also, I think Ady should make a ROTJ thread now so we can discuss these things ahead of time.
Tiptup said:
Akwat Kbrana said:
Personally, I always thought Anakin's character arc should've been exactly opposite. He should've started as a mature, noble, selfless, likeable character, and transform into an evil villain. Instead, we got an annoying, unrealistic little boy who transforms into a leary, creepy, whiny, overbearing, unbelievable jerk, and finally turns into the cool-as-ice villain from there.
Is it a bad thing when he's far more likeable as an evil villain than he is as a "good guy"?
Yes, you hit the nail on the head with that one. Darth Vader was a very strong villain and inspired tragic thoughts. My perfect idea of Anakin was exactly like yours. If I try to think of the Anakin we got while watching the originals it turns Darth Vader into a real whiny weakling in my perception.
I have recently entertained the idea that Palps just beat the hell out of Vader everytime he displeased him. After years of being lightninged everytime he shows mercy or does something less than perfectly, he grows cold and hard and adopts some of the same strategies as his master. I would of liked to see the prequels play up the "father and son" relationship between Palps and Anakin more. It would make the turn more believable
I was going to go down to Tosche station to pick up some power converters!
You can waste time with your friends later
Governer Tarkin, I recognized your foul stench as soon as I got on board
I'll think of more later
The OT has some equally bad lines, they just aren't pivotal to the story.
I have to agree with Adywan for the most part. I think TPM had the "look" for the PT spot-on but then in AOTC and to a lesser degree ROTS, it started looking too cartoony. About the sleek ships, I think that was just a Naboo thing. The Republic and the Federation didn't really have sleek designs. A little more ornate and less practical than the OT designs but I think that works well. I actually like the PT but I have to admit there is tons of ridiculous stuff in there and it's so much less than it could have been. For one, the 20 year gap between ROTS and ANH just doesn't make sense, since Ben, Beru and Owen all aged like 50 years. the Yoda puppet in TPM looked ridiculous. The shouldn't have killed of Maul. Anakin turns to fast and Everything should have been simplified, trimmed and focused. And how could Luke not know who his father was if he dropped his identity 20 years ago? You'd think the rebels would have detailed information on somebody like Vader. Especially since many of them were in their 20's when the republic fell!
nohandluke said:
Luke and Leia were never intended to be brother and sister. So says Gary Kurtz in an interview in 2002.
That makes things confusing though
1.) Why could Luke talk to Leia with the force
2.) Who is the "another" Yoda talked about.
adywan said:
ryanvb said:
A 1080P version would be amazing! But just remember, it's probably going to make us all clamour for you to re-do ANH in 1080P after seeing this one ;) .
I can quite honestly state that a 1080p version, or any HD versions of ANH:R will never happen. I never want to do that movie again
I thought you said that Empire was a more difficult job with the massive blue tint and all.
Here's a mock-up I made in photoshop. I thought it would be cool to see a stardestroyer in a planet's atmosphere. It makes no sense in the context of the movie though.
http://fractalsponge.net/
This site has some insanely awesome hi-res pics of cg star destroyers. You might want to contact this guy. With a little blurring they look like the real models.
WXM said:
Octorox said:
vbangle said:
Octorox said:
I personally think that ESB needs the most effects work of any of the OT. Lucas barely touched the effects (unlike ANH, where many shots were replaced with CG). And thus, ESB feels very dated (effects-wise I mean, the story is great). ANHR has a very pristine feeling because Ady chose to keep all of Lucas's CG as well as touch up and clean up the effects himself. Coming off of ANHR and watching ESB 2004, the movie looks like it was made 30 years earlier. If Ady wants his OT to feel consistent throughout, then he needs to do a LOT of work on ESB. The only elements that aren't noticeably badly composited are the walkers, and even they could use some stop motion blur or something. Everything needs it's color tweaked for consistency and I think Ady needs to really clean up all of the effects scenes. As long as we get at least as much work as was done on ANHR it should be great. This is a Revisited project, not a Preservation effort.
Adywan replaced GL's CG (or added to it) with his own CG. Adywan also dumped quite a bit of it into the bin.....thank you Adywan. :)
Actually, the only cg Ady added were new TIE fighters in the Yavin battle and the only CG he removed were some of the silly and intrusive creatures and robots in the sequence entering Mos Eisley...
I think many people have an incorrect idea of how much work goes into doing 3-D CG. To make those very few from-scratch 3-D shot elements used in ANH:R, I put in many man hours (plus three times as many un-manned rendering hours); talking months of work here, on stuff for just a handful of shots. Believe me when I say that CG software is definitely no joke -- and I'm not even a Maya user! :D
Oh no, I didn't mean to downplay your work at all. I'm sure it took quite some time and looked great. I would also like to see a similar addition in ESBR but that might be asking a little much.
vbangle said:
Octorox said:
I personally think that ESB needs the most effects work of any of the OT. Lucas barely touched the effects (unlike ANH, where many shots were replaced with CG). And thus, ESB feels very dated (effects-wise I mean, the story is great). ANHR has a very pristine feeling because Ady chose to keep all of Lucas's CG as well as touch up and clean up the effects himself. Coming off of ANHR and watching ESB 2004, the movie looks like it was made 30 years earlier. If Ady wants his OT to feel consistent throughout, then he needs to do a LOT of work on ESB. The only elements that aren't noticeably badly composited are the walkers, and even they could use some stop motion blur or something. Everything needs it's color tweaked for consistency and I think Ady needs to really clean up all of the effects scenes. As long as we get at least as much work as was done on ANHR it should be great. This is a Revisited project, not a Preservation effort.
Adywan did not "keep all of the 04 CG"....most of it was pure crap. Adywan replaced GL's CG (or added to it) with his own CG. Adywan also dumped quite a bit of it into the bin.....thank you Adywan. :)
Actually, the only cg Ady added were new TIE fighters in the Yavin battle and the only CG he removed were some of the silly and intrusive creatures and robots in the sequence entering Mos Eisley
gavin77 said:
Is Ady going to shock us all with a finished ESB Revisited in full HD quality today? Man, this thread is so boring without all of his cool previews and junk.....Ady.......are you alive?
lol, you wish. He's probably busy. Either with ESBR...or...you know....life?
I personally think that ESB needs the most effects work of any of the OT. Lucas barely touched the effects (unlike ANH, where many shots were replaced with CG). And thus, ESB feels very dated (effects-wise I mean, the story is great). ANHR has a very pristine feeling because Ady chose to keep all of Lucas's CG as well as touch up and clean up the effects himself. Coming off of ANHR and watching ESB 2004, the movie looks like it was made 30 years earlier. If Ady wants his OT to feel consistent throughout, then he needs to do a LOT of work on ESB. The only elements that aren't noticeably badly composited are the walkers, and even they could use some stop motion blur or something. Everything needs it's color tweaked for consistency and I think Ady needs to really clean up all of the effects scenes. As long as we get at least as much work as was done on ANHR it should be great. This is a Revisited project, not a Preservation effort.
I actually really liked the sounds. I was watching the pod race in Episode I recently and was like damn "that's some awesome sound design". The OT have comparably bland sound design. Iv'e always oved the PT as far as sounds and visuals are concerned. It's just the plot, characters and dialouge that needs work...
Ady, are you going to remove all shots of Vader going to his stardestroyer or just the ones in the Hangar. I really don't think the shot of the shuttle going to the Executor really breaks up the pace at all but the ROTJ outtakes are really unnecesary.
adywan said:
Thanks with all the help in finding the pics guys. Hopefully some great shots of the original models will surface somewhere. If not then i may have a solution. I have had a thought (thanks to darth solo for sending me a pic that inspired me). If i can't get any suitable pics of the generator or the bespin buildings then i could probably build my own models to use. This way i will have as many angles to work with as possible. It will slow work on ESB:R down a bit while i build them, but it could be a great alternative which would allow me a lot of freedom.
I'm also back to where i was before i installed the quad core. All the shots are now in 720p, so back to work on the rest of it now.
Perhaps you can see if someone would be willing to do a CG model. Those TIE fighters integrated seamlessly in ANHR. Weren't the buildings in Bespin originally all matte paintings anyway? And all the new SE stuff is CG.
adywan said:
Octorox said:
Ady:
All right. Thanks for clearing that up. But as a suggestion, couldn't you do your compositing in seperate waves? Like, for example, do all the color correcting, export it as a video, do some basic fixes, export that, do more fixes ect. So you don't have that many layers all at once. I'm sorry, I don't know much about After Effects but I've worked with video in FCP and a little in Motion.
i was actually talking about all the layers i've had to do just for the colour correction. I have to do each stage needed at the same time. i can't do most things sperately. i would have no hard drive space left after just part of the colour correction if i did it that way. The PT i would probably be able to do in 1080p because there isn't as much work to be done on those, its mainly going to be editing
Wow! That's quite a job!
rlockhart said:
adywan said:
Octorox said:
Maybe it's not your processor, couldn't your video card have something to do with it? A lot of FX rendering could be video card intensive as well. I'm sure people worked with editing and compositing in HD on normal workstations when quad cores were relatively unheard of.
Its definately not my video card. After effects uses more of the processor and not the card and when you have got around 50 seperate layers & several compositions at a time, each using a different filter then thats where the problem begins. Don't forget i'm not rendering 3D. PLus there is hardly a noticable difference between 720p and 1080p with the HD sources anyway. 1080p isn't future proof either
4K is on the way, IMAX theaters are supposed to convert this year, STAR WARS 3D in 4K resolution maybe too bad not Adywan's version.
Yeah but I was just talking about home video
Ady:
All right. Thanks for clearing that up. But as a suggestion, couldn't you do your compositing in seperate waves? Like, for example, do all the color correcting, export it as a video, do some basic fixes, export that, do more fixes ect. So you don't have that many layers all at once. I'm sorry, I don't know much about After Effects but I've worked with video in FCP and a little in Motion.