Octorox

Fjodin said:

Sorry fro doble post, but adywan wahat do you think about this suggestions:

- Mynock in cave (maybe some small shots)

- Some At-ST at background in Hoth Battle, becausethere only 2 small shots.

- Star Destroyers bombard planet like here ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSSNonaBw-8  ) after destroying shealdor omething like this.

- Centinels Shutles from E4 (they re not EU) leaving hanger and going towards plaet, or something like this. Because there is no scene how Wader and snow trooper apeare on planet... They just entered the door :(

- Dagobah from E3 Deleted scene 

I have to second the suggestion about Dagobah from the deleted scene. The E3 look as viewed from space was green and lush and gave the planet a character of it's own. The E5 look was pretty bland and actually pretty indistinguishable from Hoth.

Hunter6 said:

The more I think about it, the more it fits.
Anakin was a good man before his fall to the darkside.
Something happen to Anakin to made him turn to darkside.

After ROTJ was released, Lucas was asked about Luke and Leia's mother/Anakin's wife. Lucas said that he did not give her character much thought.

So, at the time of making the OOT, Luke and Leia's mother/Anakin's wife was more likely not the cause of Anakin's fall to the darkside like she was in Revenge of the Sith.

like I wrote before: Anakin was a good man before his fall to the darkside and Something happen to Anakin to made him turn to darkside.

I think that the fall into a nuclear reactor shaft in The second draft of The Empire Strikes Back screenplay was the Original cause of vader turning to darkside.

I think Darth Vader's OOT Origin is this:
After Anakin fell into a nuclear reactor shaft, Anakin found himself with mutations, radiation sickness and extensive cancer and Anakin turned to the darkside to save his own life. Years afterward, Obi-Wan saw what happened to Anakin and try to help Anakin, but it was too late. Obi-Wan and Anakin battled each other. The Battle ended with Anakin falling into a molten pit, inwhich the back of Anakin's body is burned which kills off the last remaining parts of Anakin Skywalker in his mind.

    this Darth Vader's OOT Origin fits the OOT. In ESB, after battling vader, Luke jumps and falls into a shaft which may have been foreshadowing Anakin's fall into a nuclear reactor shaft. then, In ROTJ, luke is "on his back in pain" from the emperor's lightning may have been foreshadowing Anakin "on his back in pain" as his back was burned in the molten pit. 

Also In ROTJ, the Dying vader throws the emperor into a reactor shaft which may have also been foreshadowing Anakin's fall into a nuclear reactor shaft or a type of Revenge for the falling into the nuclear reactor shaft which turned Anakin to darkside. The Original name for Return of the Jedi (the tittle is about Vader returning to good) was Revenge of the Jedi (this tittle fits the Revenge for the falling into a nuclear reactor shaft idea). 

To tell you the truth, that sounds like something out of a comic book. Worse than what's there IMO.

adywan said:

Octorox said:

greedo said:

ady already answered that somewhere. basically u can extract it somehow.

Yeah but to fit on the dvd9 it already has to be compressed into a smaller size. I think 3 hours of HD footage would be more than 8 gigs...

3 hours? ESB is only just over 2 hours. Using the x264 codec and using the correct settings you can convert the 17GB original to 8GB and you'd be hard pressed to see any difference in quality. Don't forget that the Star Wars HD releases are all from TV broadcasts and are nowhere near as good as an original Blu-ray version would be. It just isn't worth doing a higher sized release for a very very slight difference in quality

3, 2 whatever. I guess I thought it was longer than it is.

greedo said:

ady already answered that somewhere. basically u can extract it somehow.

Yeah but to fit on the dvd9 it already has to be compressed into a smaller size. I think 3 hours of HD footage would be more than 8 gigs...

Ady, when this is eventually released, will you only release a 1080p version squeezed onto  dvd9 or will you release a full size 1080p h264 or wmv to play on a computer without any further compression that wasn't on the original file.

I don't really like Anime if:

If a fight takes multiple episodes to complete

If the characters have long monolouges inside their heads

If the characters make stupid grunted sounds and battlecries

If there are like 20 main characters and tons of ridiculous plot twists

For example, I like Naruto for the first few episodes. As soon as it took him like an entire fricking season to pass some stupid test I stopped watching the show.

My experience with all anime has been like that so I don't bother to dig up obscure anime or anything like that.

Darth Solo said:

Those black matte lines will need addressing around the second officer in the 'first chatch of the day' shot, there eventually.

Yeah, my biggest problem with the effects in the movies now are the matte lines and discolored ships. (There is one shot in ROTJ where the AT-ST looks green but it's pervasive everywhere)

maybe "awful" was a little harsh. It was nicely drawn but it's still a freaking static shot of a painting in the middle of a movie, and it is so obviously a painting. The SEs (and I assume also the Revisited Editions) are supposed to bring a consistent, modern and polished look to the movies. CG in one shot and a matte painting in another do not consistency make. Don't get me wrong, cg can look as fake as a matte painting but it's more modern and less jarring. If only there was some way to tweak the matte painting to make it look more real... I feel like the point of the Revisited Editions are to make an optimal SE that brings the movies into the 21st century without damaging their classic stories. It's Star Wars for a new generation (and fans that just want to see Star Wars like they've never seen it before) There were no obvious matte paintings in ANHR and I'd like to see no obvious matte paintings in ESBR.

In short, I meant brilliant for the original release, not brilliant for the SE, which is supposed to bring the movie beyond the technical limitations of the era...GL and ILM's idea of this was adding some extra, unnecesary 21st century cg shots while leaving the movie that was already there still looking like it was made in the 70s.

I'm not criticizing the original film, just the supposedly "updated" version.

For one, the clouds shouldn't just sit there, clouds move. This bothers me about almost all sky mattes.

doubleofive said:

PaulisDead2221 said:

You'd be surprised at what motion stabilization and proper color matching of sources can acccomplish.  I think using the GOUT PWNAGE avisynth script, upconverted to 1080 lines of resolution would look just fine.  I'm just speaking from experience, watching test encodes mixing 480p non-anamorphic and 1080 high def images.  Especially when it will just be the cloud car element, put through a stabilization script, I think you can pull it off easy.  Then again, maybe an entirely new fx shot is necessary.

I think that since the clouds need to be redone in one of the shots anyway, Adywan might as well just rebuild this whole shot from scratch.

The shot in question, for those lost:

 

The shot with the same clouds reversed:

I think something needs to be done about Cloud City looking like an awful matte painting in the first place. I think that the gas refinery at least adds some dimension to the shot.

Ziz said:

Yes, it's still being edited.  Ady took one step back and two steps forward when he used a computer crash and upgrade as an excuse to start over in 1080p instead of standard def.  Check the other thread for more info.

I meant the list, not the project :p sorry if I wasn't clear

I'm kind of confused about formats and such. The NTSC version does not have PAL speedup. right? Even though it's not noticeable, that would annoy me to no end.

Is this still being edited? I've made quite a few suggestions a while back that I don't see on the list. Some of them have already been shot down but some on the list have been shot down as well.

1.) Wall-E / Ratatuiolle (tie)

2.) The Incredibles

3.) Toy Story

4.) Finding Nemo

And I don't remember the others to well...but I know that I don't really like Nemo, I should watch them all again, didn't see Cars

And whats with all the hate for Ratatuiolle (sorry if I spelled that wrong). I thought that movie was a masterpiece. It felt like a classic disney movie. Many of the scenes and characters were great, the story and writing was mature and clever and the animation had a photorealistic quality coupled with the fluid expressiveness of traditional animation.

negative1 said:

the last few pixar movies been pretty hit and miss for me..

monsters inc-miss, finding nemo-miss, incredibles - hit,

cars - HUGE HIT, ratatouille- miss............and now this.......   wall-e.....

it's the first pixar movie that made me ambivalent............it wasn't bad...

but it wasn't very good either...the story was a complete bore, there

was not motivation for anything that happened, and the graphics were average....

 

no pixar slipped up, and the public (not that i care) also seems to think so,

have you seen the ratings/reviews/box office? hardly a dent..................and

the long term implications don't looks so great either........

 

i like the trailers, i like robots, and it looked promisingl......................however,

finally seeing what seems like robot-romance-environment-saving-plot was

boring me to tears............................not one bit of humor, action, or anything

worthwhile to make it special........

 

pixar needs to go back to the drawing boards.........bring on cars 2, toy story 3, and incredibles 2..

i'm waiting......

later

-1

Are you freaking kidding me? Wall-E was a masterpiece. This, Incredibles, and Ratatouille are on a tier of their own as far as cg animated movies go. And Box Office numbers mean nothing. All they mean is how much of a mass market appeal a movie has. In a day where parents are afraid their kids wont be able to sit still for 5 minutes,  crappy but colorful and cheesy kids movies are going to do better than slow paced but thoughtful and beautifully done children's movies. And there is plenty of action and humor in Wall-E. Thre humor is subtle and intelligent rather than being over the top and stupid.

Really liked Incredibles

Really Really liked Ratatouille

Didn't see Cars

Really Really like Wall-E

I've seen Nemo so many times it's lost it's appeal and by today's standards the CG looks dated...I find the character's annoying...I still really like Toy Story though

Sluggo said:

"Around the survivors, a perimeter create."

Oh god, I hate how they have to do that with every single Yoda line in the prequels. in ESB it wasn't every line.

Jor Tallen said:

I also agree that the OT should not be modified to fit the PT. Any unevenness exposes the flaws in the PT, not the OT.

And while it's getting ahead of things, I've always hated that Boba Fett 'dies' in ROTJ. Best to leave it open to the potential for his survival, as he does in EU stories. There is no reason to step on those story lines. As I understand Adywan's philosophy, this is about preserving Star Wars while refining the technical and fx side of things, not rewriting it (at least not the OT).

[ROTJ was terrific. Jabba the Hutt, Yoda, Boba Fett, another Death Star, Admiral Ackbar, the Emperor, good story line...and yes, I even liked the Ewoks. Could the battle have been orchestrated in a more believable and realistic manner? Yes. But as Yoda said, "Judge me by my size, do you?"]

I think the easiest and least instrusive solution to the "Boba" issue would be to just give him a better scream or even no scream. Yes, he still dies in a silly fashion but I don't think anything in the OT ought to be completely revised. Also, I think Ady should make a ROTJ thread now so we can discuss these things ahead of time.

Tiptup said:

Akwat Kbrana said:

Personally, I always thought Anakin's character arc should've been exactly opposite. He should've started as a mature, noble, selfless, likeable character, and transform into an evil villain. Instead, we got an annoying, unrealistic little boy who transforms into a leary, creepy, whiny, overbearing, unbelievable jerk, and finally turns into the cool-as-ice villain from there.

Is it a bad thing when he's far more likeable as an evil villain than he is as a "good guy"?

Yes, you hit the nail on the head with that one. Darth Vader was a very strong villain and inspired tragic thoughts. My perfect idea of Anakin was exactly like yours. If I try to think of the Anakin we got while watching the originals it turns Darth Vader into a real whiny weakling in my perception.

I have recently entertained the idea that Palps just beat the hell out of Vader everytime he displeased him. After years of being lightninged everytime he shows mercy or does something less than perfectly, he grows cold and hard and adopts some of the same strategies as his master. I would of liked to see the prequels play up the "father and son" relationship between Palps and Anakin more. It would make the turn more believable

I was going to go down to Tosche station to pick up some power converters!

You can waste time with your friends later

Governer Tarkin, I recognized your foul stench as soon as I got on board

I'll think of more later

The OT has some equally bad lines, they just aren't pivotal to the story.

I have to agree with Adywan for the most part. I think TPM had the "look" for the PT spot-on but then in AOTC and to a lesser degree ROTS, it started looking too cartoony. About the sleek ships, I think that was just a Naboo thing. The Republic and the Federation didn't really have sleek designs. A little more ornate and less practical than the OT designs but I think that works well. I actually like the PT but I have to admit there is tons of ridiculous stuff in there and it's so much less than it could have been. For one, the 20 year gap between ROTS and ANH just doesn't make sense, since Ben, Beru and Owen all aged like 50 years. the Yoda puppet in TPM looked ridiculous. The shouldn't have killed of Maul. Anakin turns to fast and Everything should have been simplified, trimmed and focused.  And how could Luke not know who his father was if he dropped his identity 20 years ago?  You'd think the rebels would have detailed information on somebody like Vader. Especially since many of them were in their 20's when the republic fell!

nohandluke said:

Luke and Leia were never intended to be brother and sister. So says Gary Kurtz in an interview in 2002.

That makes things confusing though

1.) Why could Luke talk to Leia with the force

2.) Who is the "another" Yoda talked about.

adywan said:

ryanvb said:

A 1080P version would be amazing! But just remember, it's probably going to make us all clamour for you to re-do ANH in 1080P after seeing this one ;) .

I can quite honestly state that a 1080p version, or any HD versions of ANH:R will never happen. I never want to do that movie again

I thought you said that Empire was a more difficult job with the massive blue tint and all.

Here's a mock-up I made in photoshop. I thought it would be cool to see a stardestroyer in a planet's atmosphere. It makes no sense in the context of the movie though.

http://fractalsponge.net/

This site has some insanely awesome hi-res pics of cg star destroyers. You might want to contact this guy. With a little blurring they look like the real models.