Octorox

darthmunky said:

Aaaaw. Are there any theatrical versions that are actually good quality with the correct color that are available on dvd? Or do you if there is any way to convert this to DVD format?

you could convert it to a good computer watchable format or ipod watchable with handbrake. idk about a DVD, there certainly is a way, but it might be somewhat complex.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Sluggo said:

I'm liking this idea more and more.

By removing the scene, it helps justify his relationship with Padme, but it wastes potential for the audience to see Anakin at his darkest.  And by putting Palps in it, maybe you could keep the sith music as well.

 

 For me, the question is: should Anakin kill *anyone* in AOTC? We need to like him (he is the hero after all...or one of them) in AOTC and this makes his fall in ROTS tragic.

I think we can sympathize with his killing after they tortured an beat his mother. I think the key is to make his character likable to begin with. The Phantom Editor had the right idea there, cut out much of his whininess and protest and make Obi-Wan more stern and overbearing and suddenly are sympathy is shifted from Obi-Wan to Anakin. I think the "Attack of the Phantom" commentary is pretty much a mandatory listen.

C3PX said:

I am with Octocrox on this one, I think this also accounts for the flipped audio channels on the 04 DVDs, As MCQuarrie's art seems to indicate a world in which the audio should be entirely screwed up. I knew LFL would never lie to us, they were all intentially made creative decisions in order to bring the films closer to Ralphs artwork.

Oh no, that was just a screw up :P I do think the lower mixing of the music was a creative decision by Ben Burtt though. I doubt the colors were purely a screw up though, because similar decisions about the colors were made on TPM. Plenty of movies nowadays use color tinting for dramatic effect, and I think that was what Lucasfilm was going for, bringing this closer to the "original vision" demonstrated in McQuarrie's artwork. Unfortunately the tinting job doesn't look that great...

Also, I doubt Lucas was personally responsible for the coloring. Somebody else probably did it and Lucas just okayed it.

Monroville said:

Octorox said:

No offense but I completely despise TheoOdo's idea. The point of the prequels is to show the glory day's of the old republic and how they came to an end. There needs to be a huge but gradual shift in attitude and style from TPM to ANH. To have the Jedi and the Republic  already laughable Day 1 does not show that.

The problem is that these films take place 18 years at best before ANH.  I mean we are talking The Fall of the Roman Empire here, with the Republic on it's last legs.  There is nothing to say that you cannot show some of that glory (as either the Jedi or Senate/Nobility enjoy themselves with feasts and the like), but the overall heyday has been gone for 100s of years at this point.

- again, we can blame Lucas for this: there was nothing stopping him from making a set of movies that spanned 100 years and lead to Anakin's character through say his father and grandfather - think of something along the lines of THE GODFATHER at least when it comes to showing the generational side of things and how what Marlin Brando's character did (when played by Robert DeNiro) that affected his family by the time he was old.  Alas, this is simply Anakin's story.

Also, it is the Federation that is implying they are a joke, not that they actually ARE a joke.  As in: the Federation is akin to a competing Empire/Republic and much as we fought a cold war with the Soviets, the fighting is going to go the whole range of shootouts to insults, subtle or blunt.

 

Well it's a movie. Time can easily be compressed or stretched in a movie. It's the symbolism and emotion that matters,not whether it takes place over 20 years or 200 years. Anyway, thing change a lot more quickly today than they did hundreds of years ago. Who's to say that with Star Wars's technology, attitudes and cultures change even more quickly? I'm not a freak for continuity or real world "sense" as long as things make emotional and symbolic sense. Star Wars is fantasy, it doesn't have to be 100% logical.

No offense but I completely despise TheoOdo's idea. The point of the prequels is to show the glory day's of the old republic and how they came to an end. There needs to be a huge but gradual shift in attitude and style from TPM to ANH. To have the Jedi and the Republic  already laughable Day 1 does not show that.

ChainsawAsh said:

Those angles are probably the images with and without the PIP in the corner, so I would assume that you wouldn't be able to view them full-screen.

but there is also a menu with options corresponding to the three alternate angles. When I click one by player tells me I've switched angles but nothing changes.

I have a theory that the reason for the extreme coloring on the 04 DVDs may have been to make the films look truer to Ralph McQuarrie's original art. Take a look at some McQuarrie art, all which has the blue cast which can be seen prominently on the 04 dvds. I'm not defending the coloring, just pointing out a probable cause.

vaderios said:

Yeah awesome thanks.

post and some snapshots of what changes can be done.

 

-Angel

Okay, I checked it out. It only works in a few key effect sequences (about 3 scenes, although Hellboy II is not a particularly CG-laden movie anyway) You can view the scene with no effects (raw capture straight out of the camera), two intermediate stages with untextured models and the final comp in the movie. You can see all three unfinished views in PiP. It seems like you should be able to view it any way fullscreen too through multiple angles (there is a menu to switch angles and my player says that there are 4 angles during these scenes) but for some reason that's not working on my player. I may post screenies later.

vaderios said:

Octorox said: It would certainly make it easier for editors trying to isolate elements or adding their own backgrounds. I think the Hellboy II Blu-Ray already has this sort of a feature.

Really? that sounds very interesting.Is that for sure?

 

-Angel

 

I have the disc, I saw something along those lines. I never checked it out though. I'll do that right now, it's probably not that in depth/only works on select scenes, but I'll check.

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Sluggo said:

The only thing I want done to ANH now is a HD version of the original '77 release with the bad effects cleaned up.  No CGI models, just fix the color and get rid of the matte lines.

No!  Don't fix ANY effects!

Here's the ideal release (for the Blu-Ray):

Disc 1:  An HD 1080p version of "Star Wars" EXACTLY as it was in 1977, matte lines and everything included, plus the mono, theatrical stereo, and 70mm six-track sound mixes included, along with the 1985 stereo remix and the 1993 stereo remix.  Opening crawl is selectable at the start of the film (1977 or 1981 crawl).

Disc 2: An HD 1080p version of the 1997 SE of "Star Wars," EXACTLY as it was on 1997.  Includes the 1997 5.1 surround mix.

Disc 3: An HD 1080p version of the 2004 SE, including the shittily-mixed 2004 5.1 mix.  (No seamless branching because of the incredible differences in color between the 1997 SE and 2004 SE, which would be preserved.)

Disc 4: An HD 1080p version of the final George Lucas Ultimate Edition That Fixes Everything But Probably Won't.

Disc 5: All deleted scenes in 1080p (including the original, pre-CG Jabba scene and original Biggs/Luke in the Rebel hangar scene with the reference to Luke's father intact), with other special features.

 

Similar for ESB/ROTJ (though Disc 1 of ESB will have seamless branching for the 35mm theatrical and 70mm theatrical versions).  *That* is my ideal set.

And I'd add the NTSC DVD-9 of Revisited as a Disc 6 myself for good measure.

why would you want the shitty 2004 releases even included? To use as a lesson in how not to restore and remaster a film?

 

The same reason they included the Director's Cut of "Blade Runner" when the Final Cut was a better, more updated version, or why they included the US theatrical version when the international theatrical (also included) was identical to the US, but uncensored - for the sake of including everything.  Why leave anything out?  Even if it's bad, it still existed.

Even for the PT Blu-Rays, I'd want seamless branching for TPM for the theatrical and DVD cuts, with the next disc being CG-Yoda cut (or seamless branching again for that); for AOTC, theatrical 35mm/digital cuts (I think the digital version was the one released on DVD), then disc 2 IMAX cut (different aspect ratio from theatrical); and for ROTS, well that doesn't really matter much since the only difference is a wipe vs a hard cut (I'd use the theatrical wipe instead of the DVD hard cut).  And, of course, another disc each for GL's Super-Fantastic-Special-Knock-Your-Socks-Off-Edition that most of us will hate and never watch anyway.

Yeah, I guess so. I hope that if Lucas does release an ultimate edition he builds off of a new, clean transfer of the original elements rather than adding to the crappy 90's cg of the special editions What I thought might be a cool feature of the blu-rays, especially for the prequels, is the ability to see the cg in varied levels of completeness. It would be awesome if, at any time you could see no cg, wireframe only, untextured, and complete views. It would certainly make it easier for editors trying to isolate elements or adding their own backgrounds. I think the Hellboy II Blu-Ray already has this sort of a feature.

ChainsawAsh said:

Sluggo said:

The only thing I want done to ANH now is a HD version of the original '77 release with the bad effects cleaned up.  No CGI models, just fix the color and get rid of the matte lines.

No!  Don't fix ANY effects!

Here's the ideal release (for the Blu-Ray):

Disc 1:  An HD 1080p version of "Star Wars" EXACTLY as it was in 1977, matte lines and everything included, plus the mono, theatrical stereo, and 70mm six-track sound mixes included, along with the 1985 stereo remix and the 1993 stereo remix.  Opening crawl is selectable at the start of the film (1977 or 1981 crawl).

Disc 2: An HD 1080p version of the 1997 SE of "Star Wars," EXACTLY as it was on 1997.  Includes the 1997 5.1 surround mix.

Disc 3: An HD 1080p version of the 2004 SE, including the shittily-mixed 2004 5.1 mix.  (No seamless branching because of the incredible differences in color between the 1997 SE and 2004 SE, which would be preserved.)

Disc 4: An HD 1080p version of the final George Lucas Ultimate Edition That Fixes Everything But Probably Won't.

Disc 5: All deleted scenes in 1080p (including the original, pre-CG Jabba scene and original Biggs/Luke in the Rebel hangar scene with the reference to Luke's father intact), with other special features.

 

Similar for ESB/ROTJ (though Disc 1 of ESB will have seamless branching for the 35mm theatrical and 70mm theatrical versions).  *That* is my ideal set.

And I'd add the NTSC DVD-9 of Revisited as a Disc 6 myself for good measure.

why would you want the shitty 2004 releases even included? To use as a lesson in how not to restore and remaster a film?

JasonN said:

AxiaEuxine said:

oh yeah, some one else that hates the prequels, what a breath of fresh air that was.

 

Not as refreshing as someone who's so in love with the PT that they can't accept it when others bring up issues that they'd like to see corrected or fixed...

EDIT: Oh, and that guy's reviews are totally spot-on and exactly what I thought when I first saw the prequels at the cinema.

meh..his Incredibles and Lion King reviews put me off from trusting his prequel reviews. He brings up a lot of good points but he also misses the point on a lot of things. (Yes the political stuff in TPM is confusing and contrived, yes the Jedi are kind of assholes THAT's THE POINT! That's why Anakin turns to the Dark Side!)

Just saw Episode I. Very good edit. Enjoyed it a lot.

Things I liked:

Removal of Midichlorians

Toning down JarJar without destroying the nature of his character. He can actually be funny in small doses :)

Removal of droid voices

Things I'm not to sure about:

Really obvious music cuts at the beginning of podrace scene

"Never let the other person hit you first"

Pace is a tad fast and runtime is a tad short, I never minded the underwater scene that you cut.

overall, nice job! Can't wait to see the next one.

Badger said:

Managed to get the first one but are the other two up on demoniod yet? I can't seem to find them.

not yet, JediMasterfisher is uploading them as he gets them. Also, to whoever posted the link, I'd recommend taking it down per forum rules which forbid direct linking to edits.

Burdokva said:

Hello to everyone!

I've been a long-time lurker on this boards and I've checked how various fan-edits progressed, but this is the first time I post.

I watched Adywan's ANH edit when it was released (and I've finally found the DVD9 version, which I'm downloading now) and it was great! I admit, I don't like all the changes, but it was a very professional edit and the color correction was great!

Here's a few questions/suggestions about TESB edit. By the way, let me say, I watched the trailers and they are superb. The ion cannon was spot-on.

Will there be a Purist version? Will there be an x264 HD version (I would have really liked to see ANH:Revisited in x264)? Is there any chance of a scene with some Snowtroopers deploying from an AT-AT? To me this was badly lacking from the "battle choreography" of TESB, which otherwise seems to be the most millitary sensible of the two trilogies.

Ady, have you tried contacting any Star Wars scale modelers, for example those at starshipmodeler.net ? They make excellent scale replicas of Star Wars vehicles (I myself am a scale modeller, although far from good) and I'm sure they could help if you decide to add ships and vehicles to either TESB or ROTJ. While I greatly admire CGI for things like blaster effects, lightsabers, "damage" shots, etc. but miniatures simply feel more real and "captivating" on screen.

IIRC one modeler had an ongoing project of reworking the Nebulon-B to look a little more sensible, up-armored and up-gunned etc.

 

Again, thanks for this great edits! Not only are they outstanding, but you've sure paved the way for some very serious reworks in the future!

Best regards, and sorry for the typos (English isn't my native language)!

 

Welcome.

There will be no Purist version although ESB won't feature many controversial changes

There will be a 720p AVCHD release for Empire but not for ANH, ANH was done in standard def

Ady will be building his own scale models just for this project including a new Wampa and the inside of the SLug's mouth.

rlockhart said:

So, the 720p ESB Revisited will fit on a Dual layer disc? and a newer dvd player can pass that 720p signale uncompressed over HDMI. Or would it be best to burn it to blueray for use in a blueray player.

Judging by Ady's other HD releases, you'll be able to burn it onto a standard DVD9 but will need a Blu-Ray player to play it. So you won't need Blu-Ray media or a Blu-Ray burner but you will need a Blu-ray player to view it on your TV.

ditto. Can't find it on demonoid

ChainsawAsh's review sound promising enough to me. Can someone PM me about Demonoid invites and where to locate these edits?

Here's some preview clips from the movie. I'm not a Trek fan but it looks good to me. The first one a bit to close to the Star Wars Cantina sequence though.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/07/star-trek-clip-1-shot-of-love/#idc-ctools

vaderios said:

Well it seems here is the most aproporiate place.

Now the light comes from back of the open hangar door

 

-Angel

Sorry but the ceiling looks really fake to me. Perhaps a fusion of the two mattes? 

As a means to please OT.com people who think the SE was an abomination to begin with and would die before seeing more wanton changes to their beloved OT?

Because people were bitching and you wanted to shut them up?

Because some of your views changed after you released it and you later decided you'd rather make a more conservative edit?

Because you wanted to make a "standalone" Revisited trilogy and a prequel-concious Revisited saga?

Any of these close?

the credit celebrations are definitely cool but I still wouldn't want to see Yub Nub restored.

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

I hate how everyone changes the pan in AOTC. That it was reversed was one of the truly poetic aspects to that movie. The idea is that the universe in AOTC is somewhat "flipped" from it's state in the conventional Star Wars movies. We don't know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. It's a curious oddity and it establishes that something isn't quite right. Flipping the shot is dumbing down the movie IMO and ruining a really poetic moment.

I think it was a cheap gimmick to try to set it apart from the other films.  Which kinda worked, I guess, since it's the worst of all of them (not counting the Clone Wars movie).  And I don't think you can dumb AOTC down much more than it already is.

You're probably right. I wouldn't credit Lucas with that sort of craftiness in an otherwise dull as dishwater film...But at least it has unintentional significance....

I hate how everyone changes the pan in AOTC. That it was reversed was one of the truly poetic aspects to that movie. The idea is that the universe in AOTC is somewhat "flipped" from it's state in the conventional Star Wars movies. We don't know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. It's a curious oddity and it establishes that something isn't quite right. Flipping the shot is dumbing down the movie IMO and ruining a really poetic moment.