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#1542409
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Spence's PT Edits Round 3 (V1 Released)
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I haven’t gotten all the way through yet, but here are my thoughts on the first half of the AOTC workprint. I think the overall pacing works really well and doesn’t need tweaking so all of my comments are specific nitpicks:

-There were some establishing shots I found a little wonky with the new scenes they were attached to. For example, The establishing shots of Sheev’s office and the senate building ought to be swapped in order to make sense with their respective scenes (I think this is a change Hal made in a late version of the Approaching Storm). There’s also an establishing shot of the Naboo palace that’s pulled from Phantom Menace and I don’t think it really works, since the scene it precedes doesn’t take place in the palace. I would consider maybe reshuffling the order of events so that the establishing shot isn’t needed.

-The cgi in some of the deleted scenes is very unfinished. I realize that you can’t do much about that, but I thought some other edits I’ve seen do a better job of at least cutting around it. For example, there are some pretty distracting shots of JarJar in the senate deleted scene, which I think could be easily cut around.

-There are a couple instances (from the original movie) where characters seem to talk “at” each other instead of actually holding a conversation. A good example is when Yoda tells Padme that “seeing (her) alive brings warm feeling to (his) heart” and Padme seemingly has no reaction, instead launching into talking about something else. Another example is when JarJar tells Anakin he’s happy to see him and Anakin launches into his own concerns about Padme. The latter can arguably be considered a character choice but the Yoda example I think is really jarring since we’re supposed to think of Padme as a kind and caring person. I think this is easily solved by cutting Yoda’s line

-I don’t think all the transitions between Anakin and Obi-Wan’s storylines work in this cut. Maybe it’s due to familiarity with the original movie or other edits, but there were a couple of moments where transitions felt jarring.

-I would cut Padme’s line in the family deleted scene “our relationship is strictly professional”. If she just said “Anakin is a…friend” it leaves more ambiguity about their relationship and it makes her quick falling from him feel more gradual and believable.

-When Lama Su gives Obi-Wan numbers of clone units, I think it is playing the reveal too early, and it detracts from the later scenes when we see more and more clones. I would cut out this mention of numbers.

-The goofy cgi villain roundtable when Obi-Wan is spying on Dooku has always bothered me, and I’ve seen other edits cut down each leader pledging their allegiance to the count. Similarly I’ve seen other edits cut Nute Gunray saying he wants Padme’s “head on (his) desk” to just “I want her head”. These are just moments of camp that I think go a little too far. Obviously it’s your decision to make based on taste, but they are little moments of friction with the movie for me.

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#1542190
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Spence's PT Edits Round 3 (V1 Released)
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SpenceEdit said:

I’m reaching out to see if anyone can assist me with a few shots. I’m trying to adjust the end of TPM so that after Jar-Jar releases the large bouncing balls, the Gungan that picks him up on the horse is actually Tarpals. That way, I can bypass the whole silliness of him juggling the bomb and hanging from the tank. However, the Gungan that picks him up is clearly a more yellow hue than Tarpals, who stands out because he’s purple.

I’m not sure what the best method of recoloring this one specific Gungan is, and my experience with effects and masking isn’t great.

So I’m seeing if anybody has any ideas or would otherwise be able to help me with this. I’m not looking for perfection or anything here, as there’s so much movement in the frame and characters that it doesn’t need to be a full replacement. I basically just need the yellow guy to be purple.

Here are the three shots that would need work done to them. Please let me know what you think!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BmiEVRrf2zp6CodxJ5MySVfYj2H7e7Vi/view?usp=drive_link

Here is the sequence as it will appear in the final edit (ignore the audio editing, it’s nowhere near final)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EvmiUrk4p262yXOxjxDLsEsNEr5mb3uD/view?usp=drive_link

Fwiw that’s pretty similar to how I cut it in my edit and somehow nobody has pointed out that it’s not Tarpals. I agree that a color change would help sell it though.

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#1540377
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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krlozdac said:

adywan said:

I’m done with ESB:R. I won’t be doing any more work on that

That’s great Ady! Does that mean that alternate audio track with Temuera Morrison’s voice is also done and just waiting to be released?

In the meantime, for anyone interested in this, I made an unofficial alternate audio track with the Temuera Morrison voice lines (with better line delivery taken from various other media) and Obi-Wan calling Yoda “A Jedi Master who instructed me” rather than “The Jedi Master”. These changes were borrowed from Hal9000’s edit. PM me if you want the link.

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#1540146
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Spence's PT Edits Round 3 (V1 Released)
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I apologize that I haven’t gotten the change to watch your workprint yet, but the changelist sounds excellent! My only reservation is that I think it would be much better to cut/down remove the Obi-Wan/Jango fistfight on the landing platform than the asteroid battle sequence. The original “Attack of the Phantom” actually removes both, but I generally find that I miss the space battle more. Just a thought.

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#1538458
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + Subtitles for season one!
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In addition to your “Quality Cut” and “Filoniverse Cut” would you consider putting together a “Skywalker Cut” for people who are interested only in episodes that directly connect to or enrich the Skywalker saga films? I’ve been thinking lately about how to incorporate Clone Wars into a marathon viewing but even your “quality cut” is really a lot to tackle.

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#1538457
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Spence's PT Edits Round 3 (V1 Released)
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SpenceEdit said:

SpenceEdit said:

Octorox said:

It’s interesting that you seem to be preserving the antagonism between Anakin and Obi-Wan moreso than most edits. I’d like to see how you pull it off.

I think that’s a really important element to his downfall. It doesn’t work entirely the way it’s presented in the films, but I definitely think it’s worth keeping.

I’m using kk650’s regrades with a little extra film grain.

Those are pretty good too, and might help with getting a consistent look across all three films.

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#1538456
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Twin Suns (Obi-Wan and Maul Coda) - Wrapping up their story without the Rebels connection (Released)
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I think it works pretty well. I’d definitely show this to someone not interested in watching Rebels (although they should, lol).

Personally I’d be interested in a movie (or miniseries?) focused on the Kenobi/Maul arc from Clone Wars and ending with this. It would be a cool way to include that stretch of story in a marathon viewing when you don’t have time to even watch Clone Wars Refocused.

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#1538452
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Spence's PT Edits Round 3 (V1 Released)
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SpenceEdit said:

Octorox said:

It’s interesting that you seem to be preserving the antagonism between Anakin and Obi-Wan moreso than most edits. I’d like to see how you pull it off.

I think that’s a really important element to his downfall. It doesn’t work entirely the way it’s presented in the films, but I definitely think it’s worth keeping.

Yes, I agree. What source are you using? I definitely recommend Schorman’s HDTV preservation for Episode II, as it has superior colors and detail. I think it also blends better with the AI upscaled versions of the deleted scenes.

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#1538442
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Spence's PT Edits Round 3 (V1 Released)
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Excited to see you take this on! The new opening flows pretty well overall. I’ll never understand why Corde says that she “failed” Padme when her job was literally to be a decoy but that’s definitely a nitpick. The JarJar CGI in the deleted scene also looks rough but I’m not sure much can be done about that.

It’s interesting that you seem to be preserving the antagonism between Anakin and Obi-Wan moreso than most edits. I’d like to see how you pull it off.

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#1537459
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Making the Obi-Wan &amp; Anakin training session (From the Kenobi series) work in an AOTC edit.
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theprion said:

That’s a relief, I thought you were putting Dex back into AOTC Sanded Down… Heresy!

By the way, thanks for your work on it, for setting up this thread and everybody else’s edits and contributions. I also look forward to see what comes out of this.

May the 4th be with all!

Thank you, that’s so nice to hear!

And I’ve thought about doing an “extended cut” of Sanded Down that reinstates that and some other stuff, but tbh at this point it would be incredibly similar to Hal’s edit.

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#1537416
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Making the Obi-Wan &amp; Anakin training session (From the Kenobi series) work in an AOTC edit.
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theprion said:

Octorox said:

I cannot abide by this Dexter Jettster slander. (Although my edit doesn’t include him, it was more for pacing reasons, and honestly I’ve kind of softened on the scene at this point.)

No slander. And that’s exactly why (pacing) I think the film is better off without his scene. I don’t mind the character, but I do find the CGi overwhelming.

It’s okay, I was mostly joking.

Spence said:
I did it for an AOTC edit I’m working on.

I’m watching this with great interest.

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#1537243
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + Subtitles for season one!
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Hal 9000 said:

Does anyone know a way to have something auto-generate garbage subtitles like the ones you see on YouTube? If so, and if someone could generate them for the finalized episodes, perhaps they could be divided up among volunteers to take a few episodes each and proofread them along with the video/audio.

But yeah… I certainly wouldn’t wanna handle a behemoth task like that for the whole series, using the methods I usually use for my own stuff.

OpenAI’s Whisper is the answer to this. I want to use it as the basis of subtitles for my own edits but I haven’t gotten around to it yet.

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#1536508
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Making the Obi-Wan &amp; Anakin training session (From the Kenobi series) work in an AOTC edit.
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SpenceEdit said:

Here’s my first go at the scene, taking a combination of what a lot of others have done here. I did it for an AOTC edit I’m working on, but I’m fine with anyone using this in their edits if they care to.

I mixed it in 5.1, but only the center/left/right have sound, so theoretically if someone wanted to use this you could add more ambient noise or repeat the right/left on the surround channels for fuller music.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kOzEuNAHjAg--TdSGcBXLWLzjpkjqV-Y/view?usp=drivesdk

I love the choice of music cues. Feels perfect for the scene.

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#1536415
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Making the Obi-Wan &amp; Anakin training session (From the Kenobi series) work in an AOTC edit.
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Peter Pan said:

The insert shot does the job I suppose, however I still despise the attitude Obi-Wan is giving Anakin. He is basically blaming Anakin for wanting to win their training duel, but behaves like a child that lost a game and insist on playing on until they have won themself.

I mean to be fair I think the duel tracks with both of their characterizations in AOTC. Anakin is impulsive and hotheaded and Obi-Wan is didactic and overbearing.

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#1535076
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<em><strong>The Mandalorian - Season 3: Complete Edition</strong></em> | A brand-new Season 3 forged from <em>The Mandalorian</em> and <em>BoBF</em> [ON HOLD]
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One thing that bothered me personally is Din essentially reverting to distrusting droids in the Plazir-15 episode when he had shown character growth on that front in the past. If there’s a way to imply that his prejudice is reserved for the separatist battle droids I think that would make more sense.

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#1534823
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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OlivesandGrapesareok said:

So I might sound utterly stupid but… Is there a release of Adywan’s Rotj or am I just crazy… and if not, when?.

No there isn’t, and we don’t know yet. ANHR:HD will release first, and after that It may take several more years. Adywan takes his time on these projects.