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#1318611
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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ChainsawAsh said:

sade1212 said:

RogueLeader said:

Yeah, I think people would just be disappointed because they’re not the same story.

Hal’s prequel edits don’t follow the plots of the books they’re named after either.

But those books aren’t put on a pedestal by fans the way the Thrawn trilogy has been for almost 30 years.

Yup. the only sequel I’d want to potentially change the name of in an edit is The Rise of Skywalker, and only if it was a “Rey nobody” edit.

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#1318578
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (SPOILERS)
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My only issue with removing the Jakku is that without it there are no planets representing the sequel trilogy. Personally I would’ve liked to see Canto Bight added on top of the existing ones, and a prequel planet like Naboo or Coruscant.

As for ROTJ, have you tried removing the Galaxy celebration scenes but keeping the SE music track? Maybe it’s because I grew up with the SE but I prefer the newer John Williams track to Yub Nub.

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#1318141
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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Finished!)
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AbramPT said:

Octorox said:

To quote Palpatine, “please don’t!”

I’m assuming you mean “please don’t” entertain AbramPT’s suggestion? 😉

I just remember my Star Wars newbie friends being considerably confused by the reason behind Palpatine’s transformation in LOE. Also, TROS would provide some payoff now that we can finally witness the full power of force lightning redirection that was hinted at in ROTS.

Then again, maybe LOE simply isn’t the ROTS edit for me. Perhaps I’ll finally learn how to use video editing software and attempt my own micro-edits instead of trying to convince Hal to do all the hard work for me!!

No disrespect intended but I really wouldn’t want to see that change reverted. The confusion you describe is exactly how I felt while watching the theatrical cut of ROTS. In comparison, the LOE version seems much more elegant to me.

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#1318114
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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Finished!)
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AbramPT said:

Proooooobably not worth mentioning, but in light of Palpatine having his skin melted/torn off his body from force lightning at the end of ROS, would it make sense to include Palpatine being disfigured from his force lightning in LOE? I feel like there’s always been an argument over whether Palpatine was hiding his true form prior to being “lightninged” in ROTS or if he was truly disfigured from the process. ROS seems to clarify that, but maybe I’m reading into it.

Also, I know you deeply want to leave these edits alone at this point so feel free to ignore this post.

To quote Palpatine, “please don’t!”

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#1318113
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

I mean, personally I’d hate to ruin either TFA or TLJ by putting in a TROS scene.

This is where I’m at. I’m not really interested in a trilogy redux as much as a standalone edit of TROS that fits better with the other two. I’ve enjoyed light edits of the other films like Hal’s, but generally I’m okay with the theatrical cuts. Maybe my opinions will change after watching TROS a few more times but I’m not so sure.

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#1317868
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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StarkillerAG said:

I agree with all the proposed changes, as long as you keep version 3.0 available. That way you have a purist version for people who prefer only minor changes, and a radical version for people who prefer radical changes.

All versions are up on the 'Spleen. I wouldn’t ask Hal to keep multiple versions on his own Google Drive as the file size adds up quickly.

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#1317243
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (SPOILERS)
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Hal 9000 said:

“What she has to do now will take all the rest of her strength” or whatever she says hardly clarifies much. It just says “Carrie Fischer’s character is about to go die.”

At least it clarifies that she’s making an active decision to do “something” vis a vis Ben, and that whatever it is requires the last of her power, similar to Luke’s final actions in The Last Jedi. Honestly, I’m not sure the visual storytelling here is strong enough to convey even that, as clunky as the line is.

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#1316115
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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NeverarGreat said:

Here’s another ‘Inspired by’ change: https://youtu.be/BD5mLw0A8vI?t=876

He says that Rose should have been in charge of gathering reinforcements for the final battle. So would this be possible? As far as I can remember she is just hanging out at the Resistance base the entire movie, but could it be possible to insert some dialogue to indicate that she is busy calling up leaders of the core worlds and have them Rendzevous in some place? Then Lando could lead these gathered forces to the final fight.

Man that was a really good video essay. It crystallized a lot of my frustrations with this movie.

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#1316100
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I don’t know, I understand your point, but to me that’s the kind of thinking that led to this movie being overstuffed with fanservice and callbacks in the first place. I LOVE Obi-Wan, he might be my favorite Star Wars character, but I recognize that his part in the story is done. I would have been more okay with some kind of Anakin presence, only because it might created an interesting dynamic with Kylo’s Vader obsession. Even then, I don’t think sticking him in a shot at the end of the movie does much good.

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#1316088
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Darth Lucas said:

Add other force ghosts to the Luke/Leia shot like Anakin and Obi Wan.

With the exception of Ben, I don’t really get this suggestion. Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan have no meaning or significance to Rey. They did to Luke, but we already got that scene at the end of Return of the Jedi.

What I think a lot of fans don’t want to accept (and to be honest, I don’t think Abrams and Terrio wanted to accept this either) is that the OT characters are not the main characters of these new movies. The protagonists are the new characters: Rey, Ben, Finn, Poe, and Rose. Any OT or PT characters should be there to support their character development, not to steal the spotlight.

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#1315722
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (SPOILERS)
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I think having Ben live at the end would be quite ambitious and maybe beyond the scope of this edit, but if possible I’d like to see him appear beside Luke and Leia as a force ghost. It would require some FX work but doesn’t seem impossible considering what’s been accomplished in some of Hal’s other edits. I don’t feel that we get enough closure with his character in the theatrical cut.

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#1314956
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Which version of the Original Trilogy to watch?
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It really depends on how much of a purist you are.

If I’m going to watch the originals, I still prefer the Despecialized Editions. They may be stuck at 720p, but for the most part they look cleaner and sharper than 4K77 and 4K83 because they’re sourced primarily from the original negatives. These are reconstructions though, and occasionally seams can be seen, particularly when Harmy had to rely on upscaled Laserdisc-quality footage. When Harmy eventually creates new versions using 4k sources, they will arguably be the definitive way to watch the OOT, but that’s a ways off.

If you want to see versions of these movies that are completely untampered with, 4k77 and 4k83 are the way to go, since they are actual scans of original film prints, with no SE sourced footage. They do look a little “rougher” and less finely detailed, but not moreso than the films would have looked during their theatrical run.

As for fanedits, I think there are two for the OT worth pointing out: adywan’s Star Wars Revisited and Hal9000’s custom special editions. These edits are primarily for people who admired what the SEs were trying to do, but disagree with some of the actual decisions that were made. Hal9000’s edits are basically hybridizations of the original and SE versions of the films and revert some of the more controversial changes. Currently ANH and ESB are available in full quality and ROTJ is available as a workprint. The Revisited edits are much more ambitious and essentially seek to update the films’ visual effects across the board to a more modern standard, as well as fix various continuity errors. Currently ESB is available in HD quality, and ANH is available in DVD quality only. An HD version of A New Hope is forthcoming, as well as an edit of ROTJ.

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#1314725
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Hal 9000 said:

Here’s how I’m planning to handle the “they were nobody” moment in TLJ. It’s only Kylo that explicitly states anything about it, and he doesn’t say that they are buried on Jakku.

https://youtu.be/acSYW8_4Mn4

It works…but it also breaks my heart to see this (imo) powerful scene diminished to accommodate a poorly conceived retcon. I think that Rey looking inward and admitting to herself that her parents were nobodies is part of what makes the scene work. Just my opinion of course, but if you choose to go down this path I will probably stick to earlier versions of Legendary or make my own edit.

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#1314476
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Hal’s Rogue One edit (a half-assed version of DigMod’s)
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EddyMerkxs said:

I love this, it is my go to version of RO, as are all your other edits. Thank you!

This is a thought I’ve been toying with; I know this is just a side project of yours, so maybe I’ll try it on my own. However, I would be interested in how the movie works without showing vader until the final scene (only including the mention of him coming). It isn’t his story, and his mustafar scene detracts more than adds to his character, for a few reasons. I think only showing the hallway scene develops his mystique and character more.

Check out TM2YC’s edit, he attempts a version of this. Truth be told a hybrid of Hal’s edit (in which he mainly took ideas from DigMod) and TM2YC’s would probably be my go-to for this movie.

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#1314466
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Dr. Krogshöj said:

If “Rey Palpatine” is removed somehow, what is the motivation of Palpatine to have Ochi try to find Rey and kill her parents while doing so?

Simple, he senses Rey’s power in the force/her potential in the dark side, similar to how he sensed Anakin’s potential. You might need to an extra line or two culled from elsewhere to sell this, but imo it’s a much less convoluted explanation.

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#1314163
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Hal, I know a big part of your philosophy with your prequel edits was bending them to harmonize with the OT rather than the other way around. Similarly, as someone who quite liked the first two films in the sequel trilogy, my preference would be to bend this film to harmonize with those two better, rather than the other way around. Because of that, I’m all for a removal of Rey Palpatine, although I understand if it’s not something you want to implement in your edits.

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#1313721
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

DominicCobb said:

snooker said:

I just don’t know how possible it is to remove Rey’s parents from the movie? If its possible i would do it, but Ochi’s ship design is very explicitly from Force Awakens so it might be odd to have the same ship without the backstory?

It would be difficult for a number of reasons, that, but also quite a bit of dialogue is had talking about the fact that Palpatine had her parents killed, from Kylo but then later from Rey to Finn. In my mind, leaving it in is the much cleaner solution. Palpatine sensed her power early and wanted her dead, and ended up killing her parents looking for her. This fuels Rey’s anger and spurns her to search for Palpatine and kill him (as she states in the film). Removing that entirely would create a lot of problems.

The first Rey and Palpatine scene will already be a nightmare ‘My granddaughter…’ ‘Empress Palpatine’ etc.

Arguably, you could keep “Empress Palpatine,” because Palpatine will be taking over her body, right? Might actually make an interesting parallel to the last scene, here Palpatine is goading her to adopt his name, essentially.

I do agree it would be more difficult, but I do think removing that aspect would be worth exploring. I think Rey’s parents not caring about her makes her character more interesting, but if someone threatened her parents’ lives to know her location, if they didn’t care then they would’ve just told him. So it turns out her parents did care about her, and even died for her, which just makes her story a lot less interesting imo.

I don’t disagree at all. Just feel like it’s a house of cards, and taking out Rey Palpatine could already be enough to knock it all down. The solution I have at least keeps some of the structural integrity of the film as is (even if it reduces some of the meaning as a compromise). There is apparently a deleted scene where Ben tells Rey not to give into her hate and cut down Palpatine that would work well with the ‘Rey wants revenge’ angle as well.

I think I’d mostly be okay with the reveal that Rey’s parents had hidden her on Jakku to protect her from Palpatine with the explanation of “Palpatine had sensed Rey’s potential with the Force” rather than “Rey is literally Palpatine’s granddaughter” It would still be a retcon but not as severe of a retcon…

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#1313498
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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This article resonated with me a bit, and gave me second thoughts about the whole “Rey Skywalker” bit: https://www.slashfilm.com/rey-in-the-rise-of-skywalker/
I wonder if it would be possible to replace the Force Ghosts of Luke and Leia at the end with that of Ben Solo’s ghost giving Rey an encouraging nod. Then instead of “Rey Skywalker”, she could say something like “Rey…just Rey”. Just a thought.

In fairness, Poe could be bi. But I get it.

He definitely could, as could Finn (especially considering he already hinted at feelings for Rey in TFA and kissed Rose in TLJ). However it’s hard not to read it as a “no-homo” thing in context. I know this is really only disappointing to a certain subset of fans, and it didn’t bug me that much when I watched the movie, but I think Finn/Poe at the end would have made more sense than introducing a new love interest for Poe and a potential love interest for Finn this late in the game.

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#1313473
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

Do you guys feel that Zorri and Jannah were introduced strangely as potential love interests for Finn and Poe? I feel they wanted to make it clear they’re not gay, or something.

I saw this movie with a few friends, two of which are part of the LGBTQ+ community and they both read it this way. This is the only reason I’d consider cutting the overtly romantic bits of Poe and Zorri’s relationship, to leave it at least ambiguous.

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#1313283
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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Hal 9000 said:

I’m really not sure about modifying any of the other films to suit IX right now, because the grief is still too near. I very well may just choose to ignore it.

TROS is actively antithetical to everything I’ve tried to do the past handful of years, and deeply incongruous with the good aspects of the last two films taken collectively. If I’m going to give it a fair treatment, I will need to take time to muster enough goodwill toward it, come to understand it somewhat thoroughly, and most importantly wait for at least some community ideas. Or I could retreat to a remote island and burn the fan edits.

I mean, you managed to make Attack of the Clones watchable, so I’m sure you’ll be able to make something out of it 😉. Seriously though, I understand how you’re feeling. I’m happy for the people who enjoyed it, but TROS probably disappointed me more than any other recent Star Wars film. It will take some serious work to make it harmonize with the rest of the saga, especially The Last Jedi, which has quickly become one of my favorite Star Wars films.