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#55736
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I'm thinking lawsuit...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55736/action/topic#55736
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I sense a Disturbance in the force...someone...must...see...the...originals. My god man (somehow it went from Star wars to william shatner of Star Trek, although interestingly if the OT was before your time I am sure that was too). No horrid fear, just see if you can get a copy of the Anamorphics or TR-47 from Rikter. It was done right originally, before Han shoots first, there is no cartoon jabba, etc. Changes the tone of the movie. Not that we all don't like better picture and sound, but we love the first set.
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#55649
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That Star Wars Feeling - that brought me here...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55649/action/topic#55649
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I had that Ewok village too. But remember with the first movie it was the ultimate to own the Millenium falcon, there was serious envy there. With ESB without a doudt you were the cool kid on the block if you owned the AT-AT walker ($50 at the time). Of other cool toys to own back in the day not Star Wars it had to be Castle Grayskull (He-Man), JetFire or Optimus Prime (Transformers). Haha...memories. Now its the cool car you own, but back then it was all about the toys.
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#55648
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I'm thinking lawsuit...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55648/action/topic#55648
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OK Scott, thanks for clarifying yourself and I am cool with you. I just want to enjoy posting and reading here. I don't like to add stress or negativity there's enough of that in the world. Fans should be happy to talk on their shared passions. And yes, I definitely cut and pasted that list and certainly wasn't trying to pass it off as my own, just using a quick google search, I used a list to in fact illustatrate that even of our beloved original movie it is difficult to say, what title, year, crawl, sound mix, scenes that we are talking about. I will certainly yield to your finer knowledge of the details of the releases. I wouldn't try and debate you, but honestly this is far to much writing to simply say...

THE GUY CHANGES STUFF ALOT. HE STARTED CHANGING EARLY AND CONTINUES TOO CHANGE STUFF. HE LIKES CHANGING STUFF. HE HAS LOTS OF $$$ AND MAKES MORE $$$ EACH TIME HE CHANGES STUFF. NO ONE WILL RIGHTFULLY SUE HIM FOR CHANGING STUFF WHEN THAT IS HIS M.O. AND HE EXPRESSED EARLY ON A DESIRE TO CHANGE HIS STUFF. That's my point. That's it.

All of this wears me out. But, Scott thanks for posting and again your knowledge of the specifics is far greater and you are commended for that, and that in and of itself can be enlightening. I was trying to be "big picture" by making general points and then I feel I get torn down for little things and thats frustrating. Its like on some boards when a guy pours out his heart or writes a volume on something he researched and someone posts that he misspelled something. Its like damn. Why do that? Ultimately, I got your drift and here's to good feelings between us bro. Both our points were made. We're cool.
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#55645
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The ultimate editorial to George Lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55645/action/topic#55645
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Here’s is the best summary of the the thoughts and feelings to majority of this board. Its concise and pointed. Just damn well written by Xizor. It can be found at:

Classic Editorial

^ Mod Edit: a working link to the article can be found here:-

https://web.archive.org/web/20040905060314/http://jedinet.com/senate/editorials/dvddebacle.asp

 

This is the text:-
 

The DVD Debacle
by Xizor

It is the first year of the new millennium. Over the last years of the 1900’s, technology has grown rapidly at a pace that gives consumers higher expectations every day. The film industry has grown from silent moving pictures without the gift of sound, to small discs capable of containing multiple films and at the same time, being able to display hundreds of bits of information.

In 1999, George Lucas and Rick McCallum of the production company, Lucasfilm, announced that the Star Wars films that have captivated film goers since 1977 were going to be remastered and completed for the DVD (digital video disc) format and were going to be released to the public in 2005; when Lucas’ prequel trilogy, beginning 32 years before the original Star Wars film was finished.

Through several interviews, both Lucas and McCallum have revealed that this commemorative box set will present the Star Wars films in the most special way possible; bringing several different versions of each of the films, such as versions using blue screens, or a version without sound effects. Once more, filmgoers and fans of Lucas’ SW saga will be able to relive these films in the best way possible.

The purpose of this editorial is not to discuss the topic of releasing these DVD videos now, but, unlike the editorials currently published on this subject, the purpose of this editorial is to share ideas and concepts that I hope to see visible in the final products when they are shipped to retailers in 2005 or later.
 

Star Wars: A New Hope…

A New Hope was the first SW film. Released in 1977 titled Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope and directed by George Lucas, I feel that both the original version of the film (as seen in the THX video releases released in 1995 and earlier) and the Special Edition version (1997) be viewable on this disk; as I wish that every film will be made available this way throughout the set.

As each disc should contain a special presentation (or two), I would prefer that the infamous 1979 Star Wars: The Holiday Special film is made available. The Holiday Special contains a story that is placed between the events of ANH and ESB, including the first appearance of Boba Fett, the world’s most famous Bounty Hunter. The second presentation on my list; I think that the fans are deserving of the “Lost Cut” of A New Hope, an early cut of the film from 1976 showing several cut scenes, and nearly all scenes alternating from the film.

Where available, the “Director’s Commentary”, which is commonly available in the industry of DVD these days, should be inserted into the film as an option. George Lucas wrote the original screenplay and directed the film; therefor he should narrate the commentary on this, and every disc.

Rick McCallum has revealed in an interview that there are over 700 minutes of behind the scenes footage available. All available footage should be compiled into a documentary of each film and placed onto the disc set. From “The Making of…” videos previous, there were several interviews with the cast and crew, as should also be placed into documentaries of the films, along with any interviews of the current.
 

The Empire Strikes Back…

The Empire Strikes Back has been hailed as “one of the best films of all time” and “one of the best sequels of all time”. I agree, as ESB still remains my favorite of the trilogy films. Like the rest of the collection, I believe that both versions of the film, the original version and the Special Edition, should be made available on this disc. The older fans, I’m sure, would love nothing more than to relive the memories of seeing the films, as they originally were the first time viewed.

The music of the Star Wars films is something to be cherished. After winning several awards for the music of the films, John Williams and George Lucas should edit the hours of music in their chronological order as they appeared (or were intended to appear) in each film, for each disc. This would eliminate purchasing the original motion picture soundtracks, but at the same time, improve the listening experience by much.

Ivan Kirshner, the director of Empire, should narrate a Director’s Commentary of the film, which would bring in an account of the gripping sequel from the eyes of the director who made it a reality.
 

Return of the Jedi…

Originally known as Revenge of the Jedi before the film’s initial release, the climactic film of the Star Wars trilogy should be rolled down the red carpet of DVD in both the original and Special Edition versions, as well as both Ewok films (Caravan of Courage and The Battle for Endor) found available on the disc as well.

The lost scenes of the Star Wars trilogy have always been part of my daily speculation, and for Star Wars in it’s final golden format, I believe strongly that all of these cut scenes be restored and remastered into each disc (but not each film). There are several websites on the Internet that contain archives and media from these cut scenes (StarWarz.com to begin with), proving nearly all of the scenes we have read about in novels and scripts to be in the Lucasfilm Archives.

Tragically, Richard Marquand, Jedi’s director, passed away in 1987; therefor unavailable to record a director’s commentary on the film. To fill this open space, Lawrence Kasdan, the mind behind the screenplays of Empire and Jedi should take Marquand’s place.

In the Star Wars galaxy, the Millennium Falcon flashed through hyperspace and creatures from all over the galaxy defy the Galactic Empire. Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Princess Leia Organa, Chewbacca the Wookiee, and the lovable Droid duo, R2-D2 and C-3PO stride to quell the rebellion against the Galactic Empire and restore justice to the Galaxy.
 

The purpose of this editorial is to share the ideas and hopes I have for the final video edition of the trilogy, and how it should be put together. Lucasfilm will not produce and release these video discs based on petitions and popular demand - but by patience - from the fans of these films.

That is my view on the DVD issue.

Until next time…

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#55642
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Star Wars Fan Films
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55642/action/topic#55642
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I need some help for anyone that has seen the fan films of star wars?

I like stuff that expands the Star wars universe, is in sync with the storyline, and is not catoony or a satire. I am curious to know what of these films have you guys seen and what is your assessment of them if some of the films are like some of the qulaity books out there, I might be interested in attaining them. Again some people may like the cartoons, fan documentaries, or satirical versions of star wars, but I am more interested in extensions of the movies we have from GL. Any help is appreciated.

Fan Films Coming Out
Incomplete films
Non hosted fan films
Fan’s Short films

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#55639
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Ultimates
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55639/action/topic#55639
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Alright Bossk, you do have a sick amount of posts...and whats amazing here is that I have never seen "bump", which is boardtalk for bumping the thread to the top without adding any real info. Some people on other boards have hundred of "bumps" for posts. BTW, thanks again Bossk for getting my back. You too Luke.
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#55638
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Episode I-VI: Archival Editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55638/action/topic#55638
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Thanks Bossk. It truly means a lot that you, luke, jason, and rikter have all backed me with some good posts. Thanks again. I do just want to post things I find exciting or interesting. If it interests me I think maybe someone else will like it. To haters and ranters, why, why do you do it. If I didn't post something to be imflammatory, negative or critical...why respond that way? Think about my post. If it is not of interest fine. Appreciate that I took the time to give you all something that you may find interesting and I took the time to do it. Focusing negative energy on people who try and build the board in a credible way is not healthy for the board or yourself if your doing it. To qoute Jack Nicholson as Col. Nathan Jessup in A Few Good Men, "...it'd be better if you just said, "thanks," and went on your way." Now of course someone will needlessly correct a word or two out of that line further substantiating my post in the first place.
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#55619
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I'm thinking lawsuit...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55619/action/topic#55619
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Here you go and by different scenes I meant 3 scenes were redubbed and the opening crawl changed, and by 3 weeks after the original release that is when Lucas decided to make this change. Lastly I do know that the "lost cut" was not intended to be widely distributed and was for screening. Again, spefically Obi Wan Spicoli, why do you want to argue so bad. I am trying to enlighten. I swear my posts are not read completely, skimmed and lambasted is more like by certain board members. I never said HOORAY Lucas! I never said this is the same as the present changes taking place. I am setting precedence that in fact, Lucas has always had a history of tinkering. And further Lucas can argue his vision originally was not realized and is evolving and that the Archival Edition will be the culmination of that. Why argue, just say good point...you can disagree with me, but 1. Read my entire post 2. Think of my point with reacting emotionally wanting to tear someone down. 3. write your opinion, again without tearing others down. This is the point of a message board... As for references to the "orginal" movie alone (not including the other 5 episodes) going through changes/revisions...


Alternate Versions for
Star Wars (1977)
When the original theatrical version was first released, it was simply titled Star Wars.The opening crawl was changed to "Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope" during the 1981 re-release. According to Sterling Hedgpeth, Lucasfilm film archivist: "I found a box with all the positive elements for the 'revised' opening crawl, and the assorted trim boxes are dated from October through December 1980. This, then, is consistent with the view that Episode IV: A New Hope was added for the first time to the opening crawl for the April 10, 1981 re-release."


There are at least two different prints of the original Star Wars in circulation. One definite difference between them is that the brief scene in the Death Star corridor where Chewbacca roars and "frightens" a little messenger droid is missing. This scene was NOT in the "opening day" version.


The original version reportedly includes another difference besides the corridor scene. The actress who played Aunt Beru, Shelagh Fraser, does not have her voice in all prints of the Star Wars movies - except in the original print. Lucas dubbed it over in all subsequent prints.


A Special Edition has been released in 1997 on January, 31st (USA).


The overall quality of the film, i.e. resolution, etc., has been cleaned up, and colors are more vibrant. The sound has been digitally remastered (THX). In addition, the film now features new special effects shots and scenes including:
the Jabba the Hut scene;
Boba Fett;
new explosions for the Death Star and Alderaan;
a bigger and busier Mos Eisley with several computer generated droids and animals running around;
Obi-wan's house on a mountain;
a newly-refurbished Sandcrawler;
lightsabers looking more like swords;
two new aliens in the cantina;
in the cantina scene Greedo now fires on Han Solo before being shot;
new sounds added to ships and blasts;
a bird's eye view of the Millennium Falcon's departure of Mos Eisley;
when Han chases the stormtroopers around the corner, instead of a small group there is a whole platoon;
a lot of new shots and dogfighting scenes for the Death Star battle;
a touched up shot of the Rebel fighters approaching the Death Star from Yavin. More fighters were digitally added so that there are more than two times the amount originaly seen. In addition the pilots can be seen moving about within the cockpit. The pilots' heads in the Special Edition X-Wings belong to special effects supervisor John Knoll. Knoll says, on the Star Wars Special Editon: Making the Magic CDROM, that he used a scan of his head from a few years before the movie, so that "I am every pilot at Yavin." Incidentally, Knoll actually does have a (non-digital) cameo in the Phantom Menace as an N1 Fighter Pilot who gets shot down in outer space.
the opening sequence with the Rebel Blockade Runner (corvette) and Star Destroyer was recomposited to eliminate dirt and wear;
more involved search for the droids;
a scene with Luke and Biggs, a friend from his home planet just before the Battle of Yavin.
James Earl Jones now gets credited as the Voice of Darth Vader.
In the scene where the Millenium Falcon arrives at the Rebel base, it is now visible flying over the jungle as the sentries keep watch.
While looking at the monitor on how to locate the power source for the tractor beam, 3PO now speaks about how to get there (reportedly this scene also appeared on some pre-Special Edition releases).
When leaving from the Mos Eisley port, the Millenium Falcon now makes a turn instead of going straight at a fixed angle.
The look of the rebel base in the jungle has been changed so it looks now as if carved out of the rough stone.
When the Millenium Falcon arrives at the Rebel base, the huge door to the inside is moving as opposed to being stationary in the original.


In the video version of the original, when the stormtroopers are chasing Han down the hall, you can hear one of them say "Open the blast door. Open the blast door" as Han and Chewbacca pass through it and leave the troopers on the other side. In the special edition, you can hear one of the stormtroopes say "Close the blast door" before it closes. The scene is actually a little funnier because it's his own fault that the door closed. The extra dialogue was "lost" on the home video release but the line did exists in earlier theatrical versions, as evidenced by the 1977 audio recording of the film entitled "The Story of Star Wars." This LP/audio casette includes that line, in the exact same voice and reading as it appears in the special edition. Also note that foreign language versions of the film did have the translation of that line (I know the French one did). The "close the blast doors" line is also seen in a Star Wars clip in the 1993 PBS American Masters special: George Lucas - Heroes, Myth and Magic.


The "lost scenes" from this film, namely Luke's discovering the Tantive-IV-Battle, Luke storming into Station Tosche and Luke's and Biggs' extended talk on Tatooine reveal that one of Luke's friends, Camie, was played by Koo Stark (of early Eighties Prince Andrew liaison fame). Sadly the scenes never made it into the movie and can only be seen on the "Behind the magic" CD-ROM-discs.


Stills from the "lost" Tatooine scenes have been published (in "The Star Wars Storybook", for example) and at least one sequence is shown in the documentary 'The Making of 'Star Wars'". Also, the scenes were included in the novel, comic book and radio adaptations of the story.


The Cd-Rom "Behind the Magic", includes a few additional scenes not shown in any subsequent release.
Luke watching the space battle with his electrobinaculars, and a droid with him breaks down as he leaves it behind and drives off in his speeder.
Luke goes into Anchorhead and there are several characters that are playing a pool-like game with sticks. Biggs is there and greets Luke, and they all go outside to watch the space battle, which has ended by now. Everyone laughs at Luke and refer to him as "Wormie" and exclaim "Not again."
Luke describes a race where he used his Skyhopper in Beggar's Canyon and almost crashed (a description matching Episode I's pod race exactly, also set in Beggar's Canyon). Biggs then describes how he intends to defect and join the Rebel Alliance and how things are not what they seem because of the Empire.
There is an alternate version of the Cantina sequence where Han Solo is with, and kisses a woman. Many of the creatures were studio generic masks from other movies because Stewart Freeborn was ill during this portion of production.


David West Reynolds
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#55597
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Ultimates
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55597/action/topic#55597
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I think Luke is one of the best things about this board. He contributes to nearly every thread with inciteful ,intelligent comments typically. Look at his number of posts and subtract that out of this board and there would probably half as many. In many ways, he is the board. So take it easy on him.
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#55555
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I'm thinking lawsuit...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55555/action/topic#55555
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if you refer to my lost footage thread here ,you'll see links to what I mean with the "lost cut" which has 30-40% different material. It was the original cut it was titled "The Star Wars". GL changed it, hacked it up and made "Star Wars" and it was a stand alone movie. 3 weeks after its release theatrically (and seeing success and $$$), he added "A New Hope" to it as the subtitle and in the scrawl, only after this change it was "episode IV". He also changed a few scenes and lines. The original release theatrically which is a memory and impossible to find (though Magnoliafan is working on that with editing) is referred to as the Pre-New Hope Star Wars. So in the 1977, there were in fact 3 different cuts of "star wars" alone...premonitions of things to come and massive changes to be made a la Special editions, 2004 trilogy and the 2007 Archival. Hope that clarifies.
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#55554
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Cringe Factor
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55554/action/topic#55554
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It's funny Luke, so many of your posts we're in sync with I totally agree with all the things you listed...

1. The intro of Jar-Jar...that moment took me from the highest high to the lowest low
2. Darth Maul dying...to add insult to injury...why does Jar-jar live and the most bad-ass character ever die, didn't GL learn with having to bring back Fett in the PT?
3. That scene Luke mentioned where Anakin is riding that bull thing to impress Padme from ATOC, awful
4. The Scooby-doo fish scene in TPM, nuff said.
5. The Roger-roger droids
6. Dex from ATOC that analyzes the dart, why add stupid cartoony looking characters?
7. Watto, again why? Why?
8. Definitely the two headed Pod-race announcer straight from Laff-O-Lympics (maybe before your time)
9. Going from one jar-jar to Gungans...again it felt like my heart had already been pulled out and someone jumping on it.
10. The whoopie scenes with Anakin in TPM and the "its not fair" whiny scenes in ATOC
11. The kids figuring out where the missing planet is for Obi-wan scene in ATOC...OMG, are you serious?
12. There is a scene when Obi-wan and Qui-Gon drop down to a lower level over a hundred feet in TPM and its looks soooo cartoony (e.g. the war against the droids in TPM).
13. "why do I feel like your going to be the death of me" from Obi-wan to anakin is bad, really lame
14. Can I just say any Jar-jar scene makes me want to strangle someone. GL maybe.
15. TPM in general was far too cartoony...many scenes used CGI abusively. That said the realism and acceptability for CGI is VASTLY improved in ATOC.
16. Boss Nass

Now that all may seem negative, but I love Darth maul, the double saber, the sound in the pod-race, the fight between obiwan and jango, the dog fight with obi and jango through asteroids, the gladiatoresque scene in ATOC, Obi wan flying through the crowded city, Palpatine in general, the clones and that whole story, saber fights, Anakin wanting revenge for his mother and kicking ass, the ship obi-wan has that dock in the circular thing to hit lightspeed, etc. So hopefully that eases the negativity a bit. Though trust me, TPM still rips a whole in my heart when I think about it.
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#55544
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Episode I-VI: Archival Editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55544/action/topic#55544
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Please this information is supposed to be entertaining not inspire hate. Some people are so awesome on this site and some truly just want to argue for no apparent reason. It's tiring and wastes thread space. I hate scrolling through threads where people go back and forth with stupid banter. I found it, it was interesting and some people liked it, that's good enough. I never deceived anyone or didn't label these as rumors. So don't badger me or those posting here. If you have something constructive to write or show us please do so. I don't want to go in circles and again this alludes to the reshoots that have been confirmed. This is from trukstop.com...

Mike_Droideka, over at the Nightly.Net Message Board, recently gave us the heads up to an interesting post made over at 501st Garrison Website, which originally came from the John Byrne message boards. The post, as detailed below, lists all the changes and alterations to the Original Trilogy for the Archival Edition in 2007.

Now, before you all read on, be aware that none of this is official confirmation. At best, it is rumor, so it's really up to you to digest and think about and make up your own mind. Now, while a majority of people may think the list is nothing more than a fictional fan-boy's wet dream, a few people have informed me that John Byrne has been reliable in the past with regard to Star Wars spoilers... so, you never know.

John Byrne's Official Web Site

....OK so, no more on this... I give up, I didn't post it to get attacked or to argue, I thought some people may find it interesting. By the way, nowhere on here did I say all this is true. Why do people get so angry and want to argue so bad. Take it out on your wife, girlfriend or kids and let cooler, more intelligent heads prevail here.

Finally I had an email about this list with magnoliafan and he had this to say

"Some of this is actually just rumor and speculation...
A lot more of it, you'll be seeing sooner than you think... (Sept 21)"

As I said many times, as the trukstop site says, as he says...it is rumor and speculation, but some of it has credibility, not all of it, but some and that makes it interesting to decide what we may actually see in the 2004 or 2007 release and what we may not.

Done.
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#55534
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Lost Original Trilogy footage... at blueharvest.net
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55534/action/topic#55534
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See this amazes me. So much we haven't seen. Before "A New Hope" it was "Star Wars", before that it was "The Star Wars". Instead of special edition cartoony Jabba's added in, how about some of this orginal awesome footage. And since we are begging for the originals, how about the real original we never saw.



Quick Lost Cut Facts

Here are some quick facts about the Lost Cut that Dr. David West Reynolds mentions in his article:
Silent, Black-and-white, 35mm, 13 reels
Cut together by British editor, John Jympson
30-40% different footage (including alternate/longer takes and deleted scenes)
Reel cans labeled "The Star Wars" which was the original title
Less dramatic feel than final cut; more documentary-like
Used live projected backgrounds in place of bluescreen effects wherever possible
More time given to both main and secondary characters
Meant to be a work-in-progress, nothing more or less


Here's a quick rundown of some of the moments from the Lost Cut mentioned by Reynolds in his article:
Luke at his vaporator with Treadwell droid
Luke and friends (including Biggs) at Toshi Station
Han Solo and a human Jabba the Hutt (later restored with CG Jabba fro Special Edition)
References to the Rebel's "Hidden Fortress" (Kurosawa reference?) via dialogue from Darth Vader and Tarkin
Alternate establishing shot of Kenobi's hut and landspeeder parked outside
One long shot of landspeeder traveling from trooper checkpoint to the cantina
Longer indoor shot of the "cantina snitch" who alerts the troopers to Kenobi's confrontation
Han Solo and "Jenny" in the cantina booth watching the Kenobi confrontation and kissing afterwards
Luke decides not to replace C-3PO's restraining bolt in Kenobi's hut
Luke and Han congratulate each other after the TIE attack on the Millennium Falcon
Footage Luke and C-3PO in the landspeeder looking for R2-D2
More footage of Kenobi sneaking around the Death Star in search of the tractor beam
Many extra Death Star corridor shots including gags like heroes walking calmly past officers hiding weapons
Random Mos Eisley citizens and aliens
More Rebel Briefing Room shots
Jawas and a partially built sandcrawler
View of Mos Eisley from cliff before matte painting added
Aunt Beru using a blue milk dispenser
Darth Vader and Chief Bast walking and talking on the Death Star
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#55533
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Star Wars Episode III (spoilers) - a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55533/action/topic#55533
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Awesome stuff guys. He improved with ATOC, lets hope Ep. III ("Rise of the Empire" or "Revenge of the Sith" from what I hear) will be awesome. Did you guys read my episode III thread of the story the guy wrote that was based on all the spoliers, trailers, pictures, etc. The Jedi Council at the force.net all thought it was awesome and apparently it has been viewed by lucas itself and has quite a bit of merit. Check it out on this forum.