NeverarGreat

Anakin Starkiller said:

So we’re just supposed to accept that he’s the son of Han and Leia and just so happens to be one of the strongest Force users in the galaxy?

Yes, because he trained with their friend who’s one of the strongest Force users in the Galaxy? I don’t see how that’s an issue.

Besides, you talk of jumping sharks with everything happening conveniently nearby, but that’s exactly the problem that Leia Skywalker is the epitome of, which is why I hate it. Can we go back a ANH without every other person being a Skywalker? Now it’s just the story of a robot telling his step-brother to save his twin sister from their father. In the context of the film, that has to be the biggest coincidence in the history of coincidences.

As much as I agree with you that Leia shouldn’t have been a Skywalker, it actually isn’t totally coincidental like the Jakku convergence. It makes sense for Obi-wan to have left Luke’s sister with people who had no love for the Empire who would be involved with the Rebellion. Since the Rebellion would have needed to call on Obi-wan at some point, it was only a matter of time before the siblings met.

Happens to the best of us 😃

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

In fact, the comprehensibility of the entire ST rests on Leia being a Skywalker.

How so? Kylo doesn’t need to be a Skywalker to be a Vader fanboy, and he still comes from two important lineages, if you’re worried about it stealing from Rey Nobody.

So we’re just supposed to accept that he’s the son of Han and Leia and just so happens to be one of the strongest Force users in the galaxy?

I mean, the ST posits three massively important pieces of the plot all happening to land within a couple miles of each other on one planet in the galaxy, so I get that this shark is already well and truly jumped, but why add another coincidence to the pile?

Wait, do you think he’d only inherit strength in the force if Leia was a Jedi? What?

If she was a Skywalker, not a Jedi. Obviously he could be randomly strong in the Force anyway, but it would be quite the coincidence.

Anakin Starkiller said:

In fact, the comprehensibility of the entire ST rests on Leia being a Skywalker.

How so? Kylo doesn’t need to be a Skywalker to be a Vader fanboy, and he still comes from two important lineages, if you’re worried about it stealing from Rey Nobody.

So we’re just supposed to accept that he’s the son of Han and Leia and just so happens to be one of the strongest Force users in the galaxy?

I mean, the ST posits three massively important pieces of the plot all happening to land within a couple miles of each other on one planet in the galaxy, so I get that this shark is already well and truly jumped, but why add another coincidence to the pile?

In fact, the comprehensibility of the entire ST rests on Leia being a Skywalker.

JEDIT: Though I agree that Leia’s Jedi training was a pretty pointless eleventh-hour addition.

paja said:

Hey, you know that one scene in Return of the Jedi Where Darth brings Luke to The Emperor and he says “Ah, yes. A Jedi’s weapon, much like your father’s” Would that mean only the Jedi (Pre Prequels/EU) used them officially labeled as their own weapon?

Meaning that Vader would be the only Sith in out of all to use one as his own.

Note: The term Sith was used in one of the original scripts for SW77

JEDIT:

That makes me theorize that the previous Sith before Vader only used their force abilities/powers and other.

This was many people’s assumption until the prequels, that only Jedi or fallen Jedi would use sabers. It’s a shame George felt the need to give everyone and their Sith brother a red lightsaber.

Starting in around January I decided to do some daily wrist exercises for my Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, and while I was at it I decided to start doing pushups. For context I couldn’t do a single pushup when I started, just half-pushups with my upper body. But by the end of April I could do over 40 full pushups in a row, as well as some simple weightlifting and wrist exercises. Carpal Tunnel is much improved and I feel better. Last month I was dealing with some stomach mess, probably IBS, which knocked out my desire to exercise, but that cleared up by the end of the month and I started the pushups again. Now I’m back up to 22 at once in just a week or so.

My tip is to find a place where you won’t be bothered and make the time every day to do the exercises, even if it’s at 3:00 in the morning and you really just want to go to bed. It only takes me 15 minutes to do a full range of exercises and even if you don’t feel like it you can almost certainly do a little bit. At least that’s what I have been telling myself and it’s mostly been working so far, IBS hiatus notwithstanding.

Well okay then.

StarkillerAG said:

I know that as editors, canon doesn’t matter, and we can do whatever we want. But “whatever we want” ideally shouldn’t include Jar Jar being an evil Sith mastermind. That idea is dumb, it always has been dumb, and I don’t understand why some people unironically vouch for it.

Is anyone unironically vouching for it though?

Tayluke Swiftwalker

I wouldn’t have cared if Rey was the cured love-child of Ahsoka Tano and Jar-Jar Binks as long as she got a consistent and well-written arc.

It’s also weird how the spinning A-wing goes from clockwise to counterclockwise as it hits the window.

idir_hh said:

Came across this old reddit post that compares the leaked TFA call sheet with the theatrical film.

The early cut was basically a different film: longer, less derivative, juicier and more fleshed out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/3y1rw8/what_got_cut_call_sheet_leaks_vs_the_film/

I’m starting to see a pattern here, JJ.

Fascinating.

Though I doubt that this material would have made the film more sensible.

I like Time Bandits, though to be honest I feel like all of his films have a strange off-putting style.

I was just watching an episode of The Flash with a guest appearance by Mark Hamill and he says ‘I am your father’.

Rey is already a Palpatine now so all we need is for the ghost of Luke to show up in the final confrontation of TROS to really confuse everyone. I wonder if we can get audio for the other Jedi all claiming that they are actually her father. Then Maury steps into the throne room.

That it’s the SE Sarlac really burns.

It’s about the friends we made along the way.

Yeah, that wouldn’t be released even if such a thing was ever filmed and finished, which it wasn’t.

SparkySywer said:

Chase Adams said:

JakeRyan17 said:

My head cannon is that ESB is accidentally more accurate than the rest of Star Wars, Nolan’s Interstellar-style. Time might pass differently on the surface of different planets versus space?

You’re exactly right. I would go as far to say that it isn’t even accidental.

I wouldn’t go with an Interstellar explanation with it. Maybe Dagobah has a weird relationship to the Force that drives the flow of time in a different manner than the rest of the universe?

Invoking Interstellar implies to me that it was Luke’s training which was dilated in time since the time dilation of Interstellar happened mostly on the water planet, but in this case it would be as Duracell said and be the dilation of time on the Falcon as it traveled at near-light speed. For a normal observer such as Luke or Vader, the events of the film would take place over many weeks while Han and Leia would experience only a few days.

The dagger is the least of the movie’s problems.

StarkillerAG said:

NeverarGreat said:

I’d actually argue that their connection until the Throne Room is much less problematic than either of the other part 2 romances in the Saga.

Can you elaborate on this? I kind of understand your point with Anakin and Padme, but is Han and Leia seriously worse than Reylo?

In totality, the Reylo dynamic is more toxic than Han/Leia, but they really run in opposite directions. Han/Leia starts out with a bit of earnest attraction in Star Wars, then devolves in Empire to a toxic relationship by two domineering personalities. By the end this is revealed as a mask for their genuine affection for each other.

Rey/Kylo stars out as toxic as they come, with Kylo wanting Rey for his power fantasy and Rey using Kylo’s power against him, taking it into herself and becoming his opposite. In TLJ this relationship is explored, and Rey believes that their connection means that they can be reconciled. However by the end the Yin/Yang of this relationship is revealed. Each is incomplete without the other, yet their values are also irreconcilable due to the nature of their power (darkness rises, and light to meet it). The implication is that neither can change without destroying the balance between them, and this forces them into a stalemate by the end of the film and Rey decisively rejects Kylo’s call to the darkness.

Of course TROS craps all over this nuanced view of their relationship by simply making them a ‘Dyad’, whatever that means. Kylo could always turn to the light without affecting their balance of power, apparently, which places the fault for their toxic relationship entirely at Kylo’s feet. So with TROS Reylo is definitely more toxic than Han/Leia, but I think there was potential in the final installment for an exploration of their relationship which would have lead to a satisfying synthesis of the Yin/Yang power dynamic while also not excusing Kylo’s genuinely bad behavior.

TL;DR: You’re right that Han/Leia was better but I like pretending that TROS was actually an entirely different and better movie.

Pretty sure that neither Kylo nor Rey care for the Force Skype at the beginning, but by the middle of the film there is the beginning of a real romantic connection. Of course Kylo goes back to negging by the end of the film which causes Rey’s rejection but that’s not really what’s happening during the majority of their connection.

I’d actually argue that their connection until the Throne Room is much less problematic than either of the other part 2 romances in the Saga.

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

NeverarGreat said:

Harrison was right to want his character dead by the end of ROTJ.

Exactly. Harrison’s ideas of where the character should go have merit. If only Hamill’s ideas had been listened to as as well.

*had been listened to by JJ Abrams, who introduced the Luke abandoning the galaxy in shame plotline.

JJ started it, yes, but it was Rian who took the ball and ran with it. Hamill definitely didn’t want things to go they way they did in TLJ. JJ’s mystery box COULD have been opened in a more appropriate way.

How? By going against everything set up in the prior film? By having a primary hero not grow or develop over 30 years? By sidelining the new characters to have Luke take over the story again?

The only other interesting choice would’ve been for Luke to be revealed the puppet master behind Snoke.

Well Hamill himself said that a more appropriate reason for him going into exile would be the tragic death of his child. There are many other ways as well, such as an accidental death of one of his students, the turn of many of his students to the Dark Side that he could do nothing to prevent, a failure in training Leia which almost led to her death, his wife leaving him due to him prioritizing the Jedi school and refusing to return even after he left it to a next-in-command, Luke losing a battle to Snoke himself…

There are many ways in which Luke could have been on that island which didn’t have him fail at a test which he overcame years earlier. I get that Rian might have been going for the idea that just because someone succeeds once does not mean they will forever and this amplifies his wretchedness, but it comes at the cost of the simplicity of mythic storytelling. I think Rian was trying to say something subtle like this, but for many it ended up being too clever by half.

^It even gets darker over time.