NeverarGreat

Hal 9000 said:

Dawn of the Rise of the Skywalker: Justice Ascending

Slap that on the film and there’s no need for an edit.

The original crawl has an ABA structure and Across the Stars would work for the B section, but it would need something more energetic for the A and C sections.

JEDIT: This would have been a perfect place for a “Republic” theme which could have morphed into the Imperial March theme throughout ROTS.

Anakin Starkiller said:

NeverarGreat said:

I agree, and I recall John Williams wanted to do the same.

Source?

You know, I remember reading it somewhere but I have searched for 30 minutes and can’t figure out where.

Obviously it will be the Neew Republic.

Corridor were exactly right in noting that it was performance that was primarily off, not the technology. The new Luke actually emotes.

I agree, and I recall John Williams wanted to do the same.

GMatias said:

NeverarGreat said:

Further thoughts on changing The Force Awakens to serve TLJ, I could place some of the footage of the Raddus going to hyperspace into the destruction of the Hosnian system.

It might be going too far to show Holdo staring out of the window at the approaching lasers, but even placing the TLJ ships in the distance going to hyperspace in this shot would help.

If we see Holdo in this sequence, then the only dialogue necessary for the previous scene would be ‘General, the Republic is scrambling the fleet to assist us’.

Not sure if you ever got around to doing this, but I banged out a mockup of this idea tonight using the HAL9000 Hosnian destruction sequence as a base.

https://vimeo.com/503989106

Wasn’t until rereading the post just now that I realized I explicitly have Holdo looking out the window at an approaching laser (!) but I think it still works 😃

Interesting mockup!

I hadn’t really committed to doing this change, but I think anything more than a quick shot of frightened officers on the bridge of the Raddus would be too much.

Agreed. Pointless and distracting.

In the behind the scenes talk, the original creators of that game talked about how they recreated it in stop-motion as if it was a continuation of the board state from ANH. And it’s charming and fun for the creators I’m sure, but after learning that I actually like the scene even less since it presumes that nobody ever played another game on that board for thirty-five years and that’s just incredibly depressing.

A most impressive endeavor!

I agree with you, NFB, there’s no ‘right’ way to tell a story, and no story is going to appeal to everyone.

But TLJ is fascinating to me personally, because whereas the failings of TFA and TROS are fairly transparent, this middle chapter seems to have issues which are unusual, and no single explanation seems to fit. I think this is why there are so many essays and videos and complaints about it - a lot of people feel like something’s off, but nobody can quite articulate why in a way that’s satisfying.

There’s only so much to say about a film like TFA. Citiques can’t go far past the unoriginality of the Starkiller and the soft reset of the universe before coming to the realization that the substance of the film has turned to dust. Even solving some of the more surface problems, as I have tried to do in my edit, has made it less interesting to watch. It’s a case of superficial flaws obscuring fundamental flaws. TROS is even worse, to the point that I firmly believe that it is held together entirely by the audience’s bemused fascination with its logical absurdities.

TLJ however has a lot to say, and that makes it the only one that I feel is deserving of critical deconstruction. This is getting into my personal reasons, but I want to be a better writer and storyteller. The Last Jedi tells a story, but if I can’t see why it is disliked by so many people, then I might make the same mistakes.

This is not to say that TLJ is in need of fixing. Artists should be able to tell stories the way they want, even if it’s polarizing. But as a writer I would rather appeal to people than polarize them, and I apologize if people get the impression that I’m just ragging on TLJ because I don’t like it or don’t think its creator is worthy of respect. The reality is quite the opposite.

Nice

ThisIsCreation said:

Since ANH, We have had constant “good star wars moments” that get broken in time.

Why was there an intentional flaw in the death star and no one noticed.

Why did obi-wan not tell luke he had a sister, it’s not like it would ruin any plan, matter of fact it would make luke care more about saving her.

Why didnt Vader feel that he was literally in scenes with his own daughter and never felt a glimpse of the force.

FTFY

Yes.

A wonderful essay!

I totally agree with almost everything you say here, despite coming to the movies in the early 90’s. I have often wondered what a spiritual continuation of the original film would look like, and I think it would have to be unconnected from the original in time and space. Imagine a show or movie set in this vast galaxy but we are unaware of if Luke and his friends exist in the far future, the far past, or presently on the opposite side of the galaxy. That level of separation would be incredible.

Perhaps a group of colonists, stranded on a barren world for centuries, desperate to find some technology to let them escape while battling aliens from within the mysterious world.

Maybe a lone mystical warrior from time unknown who battles for peace and justice between two warring star systems.

Imagine an alien race mapping the stars in their dark nebula, encountering a monstrously large ship full of identical human soldiers in cryogenic stasis and their misadventures when these soldiers awaken.

Take it away from anything we can place and the imagination runs wild. Thank you for reminding me why I love this universe.

My comment wasn’t directly speaking to Luke’s relationship to Anakin, and I agree that it’s dumb that Luke didn’t contact Anakin if he did know about the wayfinders.

But eh, finding plot holes in TROS is like examining a sieve.

I really like the idea that Force Ghosts don’t physically manifest except to those who have seen them in life. It serves as an in-universe explanation and also clarifies the storytelling; it’s much better to expand on existing character relationships than to introduce new ones for the sake of the fans.

I always felt like it was the opposite in that Force users could have longer lifespans, and felt that Yoda’s long life was a reference to Godly Biblical figures who lived hundreds of years.

RicOlie_2 said:

There’s about three memes in this entire thread. The rest are just pictures with text. I think y’all are too old for the Internet. 😉

A combination of Force and force makes sense.

ThisIsCreation said:

Hal 9000 said:

Tatooine causes people to age in dog years.

I agree somewhat with this, but i also look at force users as people who age faster the closer they are to the force and how they harness it.
Obi-wan aged the way he did because of a mixture of stress, the planets conditions & the force within him causing him to age that way.

So you’re saying that without the Force, Yoda would have lived 2,000 years?

I’d bet the reason Vader physically chokes Antilles is because the Force hasn’t been established at this point in the film. It’s notable that he only uses the Force after Obi-wan reveals it to Luke.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Hal 9000 said:

Well, unless I want to introduce a generational loss across the entire trilogy by ripping the finished edits themselves, at this point it’d probably be easiest to manually trace and rebuild the entire trilogy by overlaying them by a guideline proxy video track ripped from the existing finished edits.

It’s just not worth it, not without the truckloads of free time I once had. Those FCP7 project files are houses burning down caught in suspended animation.

Why would that introduce loss? It’s digital.

Just to bump an older comment, the loss would happen if the finished edits are only available in lossy formats like MP4 and not in lossless AVI. While it is good to have a final render in AVI, it would take up hundreds of gigabytes of space and be impractical for multiple feature length edits without a dedicated hard drive or three. The edits were also made quite a few years ago when storage wasn’t as cheap as it is now.

That said, if he had the space and free time to render out an AVI for each one then any further edits could be done with that AVI as a source and introduce no further loss.

Interesting. I didn’t originally have a preference one way or another for this aspect of Rogue One, but put in this light I can see the issue.

I agree that the Death Star having an intentionally designed weakness does imply that without that weakness the Death Star would be impervious, and this does weaken the message of Star Wars a bit. I think the intent of the Rebels finding a weakness in the Death Star is to show that no matter how impressive a Technological Terror may be, it will always have unforeseen weaknesses.

It feels a bit like the rules of argumentation - you always want to address your opponent’s argument in its strongest form. If the argument has been intentionally undermined, say, by someone on your team giving the opponent faulty data which you can then call out - then it doesn’t feel like winning the argument on its own merits.

Good relations with Ms. Dodonna, Hal has.