This is all well and good (in fact, the last one is quite cool) but what of the skin tones? These last three have been suspiciously free of faces. ;)
Star Wars for me is about the magic of the Force, so the Star Wars movie with the most focus in this area is the best for me. The first one was a space adventure with magical elements, whereas Empire was a magical journey with adventure elements. The third was giant conceit designed to bring the story to a close. It works. It's not great, but it works.
I was actually thinking about the Hitchhiker's movie version, then again I haven't heard the radio version but a lowly once.
-Palpatine whips out his lightsaber and spins toward Mace, then stops in midair, still spinning faster and faster in order to charge up his attack.
-Take Anakin's dialogue to Padme from the Fireplace Scene in Episode 2 and have him pour his heart out to Palpatine.
-When we see the Millenium Falcon in the corner of the screen, zoom in on it so that it is painfully obvious, along with "What a piece of junk!"
-Yoda reminisces about break-dancing with the Clone troops. I don't care when.
-Beru walks up to Owen and falls over the edge of the homestead pit.
-One of Grievous's lightsabers activates upside down.
-When Obi-wan meets Bruce Spence on Utapau, he greets Obi-wan as the Mouth of Sauron.
-The wings that open on the fighters have smaller wings of their own.
-When Anakin and Padme are looking out at each other from across the city, have them looking at this: http://youtu.be/OhU_u4rq1Tg?t=1m30s
-In the first scene, Obi-wan's shipboard computer is Eddie: "If you don't mind, I'm going to take evasive action."
-The movie freezes whenever Anakin is about to say something particularly stupid, and several dialogue options appear. The worst option is always chosen. "No, it's because I'm so in love with you!" "I don't know what to say."
There's the reason. Found it.
Always sounded mechanical to me.
Move along, move along...
Hm. I don't feel all thyt mentilly shallengd.
Sometimes when a person sees something wrong the first time watching a movie, or doesn't pick up on it, it remains a blind spot for a long time. I had always assumed that the Dia Nogu was long gone after the compactor scene, so I never made the connection. The change could be as simple as making the garbage move, as if the creature was wriggling around underneath it, and when Han shoots it the movement stops.
One change that could have been made that would have made sense to me would be at the end of the trash compactor scene. When they have opened the door and are getting ready to leave, suddenly there is this klaxon and Chewie loses it inexplicably and runs away from the door. Then Han shoots at the garbage again for no reason.
In the script, Chewie is afraid of a tentacle from the Dia Nogu, which is worming its way through the hatch. Han then shoots the tentacle.
If a CG tentacle was added in one or two shots so that Han could actually shoot something other than garbage, I would have actually have understood what was supposed to be going on in that scene. As it stands now, Chewie is being afraid for no reason, Han is being recklessly noisy for no reason, and the scene feels a little pointless.
Though of course I'm against changes in general, I wonder why Lucas would put rocks in front of R2 and not fix a scene that makes little sense as it is presented.
Edit: Has Adywan or someone else added this in any fanedit?
OldOneAncarotaur said:
theprequelsrule said:
One of the worst inconsistencies is the changing timeline. In the original trilogy it is implied that The Empire has been around for a good while; at least 40 or 50 years. The Star Wars novelization provides an interesting "alternative" history of the fall of the Old Republic and rise of the Empire. A much better one that the that which is presented in the prequels, I might add.
How is is different in the Star Wars novelization?
When Luke leaves to save his friends, Ben tells Yoda, “That boy was our last hope.” To which Yoda replies, “No, there is another.” You eventually find out in Episode VI that Leia is the other hope to which Yoda refers. Soooo, Ben forgot that Padme gave birth to twins? He seems to remember that when telling Luke about it in Return of the Jedi, so why doesn’t he know this in Empire Strikes Back? A conundrum…….
Perhaps Obi-wan is unable to appear to Leia as a ghost, as he never really knew her, so his statement was to the effect that Luke was Obi-wan's last hope. And as it was Obi-wan who told Luke to go to Dagobah to meet Yoda, if Luke were to be killed, then Leia would have no way of meeting Yoda at all. Ergo, Luke was literally their last hope. Yoda may have been more technically minded, and stated that even without the help of the Jedi, Leia may become powerful in the Force and defeat the Empire. Because, you know, always in motion is the future.
That is a rather technical reason, so my personal non-PT explanation is that the Jedi were always male, and Leia is the beginning of a strange new expression of the Force which Yoda has become aware of. This would explain why Obi-wan never even tried to train Leia.
thejediknighthusezni said:
^Those are good points.
An advantage of rethinking education and seeing 16 as a start for vocation training while still home is that there could be more room for "false starts". Any scholarships or grants-in-aid could go towards the final choice.
We get the sort of society we subsidize. Non-vital fathers, Over-worked and isolated mothers, kids who blow tens of thousands on sheer time-wasting nonsense...
I'd rather see kids still at home until 21 instead of back in the basement at 28. They progress to 12 or 13 and then slide down until 21 anyway.
Remember that some people progress at different rates. While vocational training at sixteen or earlier may work for some, others will still prefer more esoteric and technical knowledge.
What exactly do you mean by "slide down until 21"? Do you mean that kids tend to become less focused and driven until then? Again, I wouldn't lump all kids into this category, but I think that people slide down perpetually even after this point.
I'm currently in college in America, and many people are simply there because it is expected of them. It wouldn't matter what subject was taught, or whether it directly applied to their life or not. They simply would not feel that it was important. Some of this I think has to do with the American government. We've been involved in a war in the middle east for over a decade and are engaged in a perpetual and unwinnable war on Terrorism, as well as failed wars on drugs and crime. We don't look to the stars anymore, and our political system is a sad farce. Our financial problems are worse than ever, and our health as a nation is declining. Is this the kind of future that you would want?
If we had a bright future to look forward to, then our students may become more motivated even with our flawed educational system.
thejediknighthusezni said:
AntcuFaalb said:
CP3S said:
I generally consider all undergraduate degrees useless. They are easy to obtain and the market is over saturated with them. Undergraduate education is the new high school diploma, and who hangs their high school diploma on the wall?
I know it's only anecdotal, but I make a six-figure salary + benefits with my useless CS undergraduate degree and I'm only 2.5 years out of university. This is not uncommon amongst computer programmers, IIRC.
Undergraduate degrees are only useless if you choose the wrong major*. I don't think everyone should choose to pursue a STEM degree, of course, but we should be preparing prospective undergrads for the reality of the job market that they'll encounter after graduation rather than filling their heads with the standard "follow your dreams" nonsense.
* None of this applies if one plans to pursue higher degree(s) and/or plans to go into academia.
People in Germany begin receiving vocational training in "High School".
I wrote about eliminating all public education before the 11th birthday and replacing it with mandatory testing every six months and tax refunds going to the parent who stays home.
These better educated, socialized, and supervised kids would enthusiastically enter the next stage from 11 to 16. Six bad weather months would be spent exclusively on general and practical subjects such as Practical Math, English Comprehension and Composition and Essential Management of Sexuality. The good weather six months would be spent in carefully supervised member-managed clubs for personal interest such as Athletics, Popular Musical Instruments (keyboards, guitars, drums), Science, Advanced Mathematics, IT and Literature.
The fiction of adulthood at 18 would end. Kids from 16+ to 21 could take-on limited adult responsibilities such as driving and Vocation Education Loans with approval and some contribution from a parent or guardian. Parents would remain responsible for the housing and feeding of these kids to 21. A 20 year old could not be housed away any more than a 17 year old. All vocational and advanced education would be paid for out-of-pocket or with loans until the student graduates AND finds paid work in a field related to his/her degree and only then could the graduate receive any scholarships or grants (this would encourage kids and parents to be very careful and not waste time and money.) Loans would only go to kids of proven aptitude in the chosen field after careful testing and would continue only if the kids are advancing in those subjects. Elementary schools could be converted to community college/votech centers and other facilities could be built within an easy commute. Instructors could travel to different centers. Only kids from very rural areas or in unusual advanced courses would be boarded away. Kids with serious legal/moral troubles would have to go into sex-segregated classes under even greater supervision. The student/instructor relationship would be as middle-school is supposed to be now.
Before 1950, kids under 21 were sent off to boarding type educational institutions primarily because of transportation limitations and not because it is the best way to prepare these little snips for real life.
I think that one important aspect of education that has mostly disappeared is the apprenticeship aspect. Most kids don't learn by sitting in a classroom copying information that they are told will be useful and being tested on regurgitation. Kids roleplay. They see adults that they admire on TV, in movies or video games, or in real life, and they model their lives to some extent on this person, or the profession that they are employed in. If they are only ever with kids their own age, then there can be unpredictable shifts in behavior as everyone in the group models their behavior off of that same group, and not off of good role models. With an apprenticeship, there is a much greater opportunity to learn many more aspects of the job than just the technical requirements. You can make connections with people in the industry, learn the personal habits of the person you apprentice under, and get a much better sense of what is to be required of you.
I wanted to be an architect at one point, but then I actually worked for one. I did 3D modelling work for presentations, something that didn't require much architectural knowledge, but I got a good idea of what that job entailed, as well as contributing to society and earning some money. This saved the college system and myself four years, as I realized that I didn't want to be an architect after all.
I never understood the argument that kids need violent video games as an outlet for their hostility. I never played excessively violent video games growing up, other than Age of Empires and Warcraft 2. At least, not that I can remember. I played Myst and Caesar 3 and Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2. I also grew up with two brothers, and we got into a fight maybe three times, tops. Displacing your pent up rage from one aspect of your life to another doesn't allow you to understand why that aspect of your life makes you angry. Violent video games are rather irrelevant to that discussion. It's the failure to take responsibility for one's emotions, rather than the video games, that is the real culprit here.
My connection was choppy as well for a while, but later it evened out and didn't really buffer at all. Thank you Mike for taking the time to share all of your hard work!
Rats, you caught my stupidity before I could change it! ;)
Looking forward to it!
Yes, thank you for your detailed explanation. The new version looks much more natural than the first comparison version (though I guess I've just watched the GOUT so many times that it would take some getting used to).
By the way, in defense of my ignorance, did you know that your thread is over 1000 pages long? ;)
AntcuFaalb said:
NeverarGreat said:
Two of my friends just graduated from a four year university, one got a political science degree and another majored in history. The political science major is in graduate school now for a degree in analytics, and the history major is working at Food Lion.
Questions:
1 What did your History-major-friend plan to do upon graduation?
2 What did he think he'd be able to do with his History degree?
I'm interested to know if he had failed plans or just failed to think ahead.
Was he flying blind?
Probably flying blind. People just assume that everything will work out if they work hard and follow their passions, but we all know that this is BS.
The Jedi Worm reminds me of my fear of ET. My parents taped that movie, so it began several minutes in, and was grainy and distorted. This made the movie all the more terrifying, as I had little idea of why this creepy alien was on Earth and what was going on. Seeing the DVD this Christmas was the first time in 20 years that I had watched the movie in good quality, and was the first time I could fully appreciate the artistry of it.
I had to leave the room when Luke was in the Dagobah cave, again because I did not understand what was happening in the VHS version when the facemask blew up and there was some woman's face underneath (I couldn't tell that it was supposed to be Luke).
Whenever I understand what a movie is trying to do, I can no longer be afraid of it. I think that applies to life as well, for fear can only survive in a mind without understanding.
My brother's favorite ship was the Y-wing. We didn't really roleplay Star Wars, or anything else for that matter, we just played with Legos and built our own spaceships out of the official Lego Star Wars sets.
I remember going through the EU phase as well, reading everything Star Wars I could get my hands on. Partway through the Yuuzhan Vong invasion I quit, as it was becoming clear that these books and movies would never stop.
The magic of Star Wars was never in the movies, or the books, or anything else, at least not for me. The movies were fun, the books were occasionally decent, but the magic came from the idea that out of thin air, a universe of adventure could spring into existence that could capture the imagination of the world, and could be so exciting and resilient that everyone could consider that they could live and work there. It's like Minecraft for the mind. You can download the original program, and perhaps the 2 expansions, but everything else is fan-made, and watching or reading it is like looking at someone else's save game. It's much more fun to build your own.
While that's going on...
Does anyone know about a pure voice recording of Leia's hologram transmission? I remember separating the channels from the Wookiegroomer version of the film and pulling out just the voice, which gave halfway decent results, but then I lost the files and that version of the film with a computer crash. I'm sure someone has done this before for work on fan trailers, and if I can avoid all that headache it would be much appreciated.
Two of my friends just graduated from a four year university, one got a political science degree and another majored in history. The political science major is in graduate school now for a degree in analytics, and the history major is working at Food Lion.
FVDnz said:
NeverarGreat said:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/3690
While most of the corrections are an improvement, this one looks substantially worse. Instead of "mystical swamp", it's "mud puddle with oppressive blue haze".
Does making the Hoth scenes less blue somehow make Dagobah less green and more blue?
That's because the Original Release was blue in the first place. How people seem to envision the look of Dagobah intending it to be green was a misinterpretation in the first place. Even Ady has explained this.
All I have to look at is the GOUT, but even there, the haze in the top of the frame is more red than blue.
I think that he did a good (if aggressive) job removing the unnatural green in the foreground, but it introduced an unnatural blue haze in the background. Just look at the top right of the image; in between the vines there is an ugly blue glow that doesn't exist in either the GOUT or the blu-ray. You can't tell me that those vines are supposed to look like that.
@ Frink: I was sort of joking about the graph...shoulda guessed that humanity made it happen.
I guess this makes Han Solo a bigger rule breaker than I thought...
@CP3S: If the degree doesn't suggest the making of something, it's probably not worth pursuing.
History degrees don't make history
Political Science degrees don't make politics, or science for that matter
Liberal Arts degrees don't make liberal arts, whatever that is.
Ben's use of the Force against the Stormtroopers (and then Luke's use against Jabba and co) always seemed to me to be more on the Dark Side than anything else. I couldn't imagine Yoda using the Force to manipulate someone with a weaker mind, as it seems like a "might makes right" ability.
So when Ben basically steals money from the shopkeeper, and then acts all holier-than-thou by claiming that he is above the use of money, it seems horribly wrong. Could he really think of no better way to get some money?
When Ben uses this suggestion to guide Luke's movements on the Falcon, this suggests that Luke is weak minded, otherwise it wouldn't have worked. It also raises an interesting question: If Luke was guided by Ben in his use of the Force, instead of drawing on it of his own volition, does that mean that Ben was guiding him when he made the Death Star shot?
As a side note, the RedLetterMedia commentary of ANH had Han getting a bunch of awkward to use semi-precious metals from the Rebels in return for his services. Turns out that this is exactly what happened in the radio drama. I thought that was funny.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/3690
While most of the corrections are an improvement, this one looks substantially worse. Instead of "mystical swamp", it's "mud puddle with oppressive blue haze".
Does making the Hoth scenes less blue somehow make Dagobah less green and more blue?
CP3S said:
Haha, that is a lesson I just learned myself. Was dating a 23 year old. Way too young for me.
How young is too young? Is there a graph that plots your age and the minimum required age of the girlfriend? If so, I could use that.
TheBoost said:
NeverarGreat said:
By the way, where is the search function on this forum? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
Not really. Just google with "site:Originaltrilogy.com"
Blast. Well, it would be good to have, what with all of these good threads getting buried and repeated years later.