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#604838
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Two Words for Disney: PREQUEL REBOOT
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Bingowings said:

Commander Bane said:

Hear hear! I heartily agree with you here. ROTJ is very good.

The opening scene is just great.

The Jabba story is great.

The battle between the Rebels and the Empire at the second Death Star.

The triumph of the Ewoks and the Rebels. Lando shooting out of the Death Star with the famous Millenium Falcon.

The drama of the throne room scene where the Emperor is trying to make Luke angry, seduce him and is constantly patronising him. If you were Luke you would throttle him! But Luke had to go past this anger and conquer it. Especially when Vader said that his sister would turn to the dark side if he didn't. And finally Luke confronting the Emperor and getting electrocuted! And most important of all, Anakin Skywalker finally freeing himself from the one main villian from the entire Star Wars saga and throwing him over the hole to save his son! And also saving himself in the process as he turns back to the Light side.

As for what one other person said. The original and prequel trilogies is about Anakin Skywalker who is the chosen one but ends up going to the dark side. It then takes his son who then grows up and brings him finally back to the light. So its about Anakin and Luke Skywalker with a bit of Leia as well.

The Skywalker family. It is such a good story about the strength and unity of a family against evil.

CB

Nope it's just a tawdry contractual obligation album rehashing the popular bits from the earlier films only faster and with less emotional resonance.

If it wasn't for Hamill and possibly McDiarmid it would be as loathed as the PT.

Are you suggesting that the story of the original trilogy would be good "as is", with only episodes 4 and 5? We may both think that it was the weakest in terms of character development and originality, but to suggest that it was superfluous or unnecessary in tying up the story is to misunderstand the story entirely.

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#604768
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Star Wars - Episode VII - FACTS IN TOP POST
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Bingowings said:

I keep telling you it's Leia.

Chokes Jabba to death, allows Chewie to nearly choke Lando to death.

Vader can see it, Luke doesn't want to see it, Carrie Fisher would be great as a villain.

Oh wow, I can't believe I never considered that! That's awesome.

Perhaps that's why Obi-wan never thought about training her - she was even more reckless than Luke. Though, if the Force ghosts knew about Luke's intention to train Leia, they probably wouldn't have been smiling in the Ewok celebration.

Actually, they were probably thinking "Finally! I'm dead, so I won't be recast and dragged through another blasted Star Wars trilogy!"

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#604766
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Two Words for Disney: PREQUEL REBOOT
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Alexrd said:

Slightly big difference: Sony had (and still has) to make a reboot/remake/sequel of Spider-Man from time to time in order to not loose the rights of the franchise back to Marvel. Disney doesn't have that risk. Besides, the prequels are one of the main reasons Star Wars has such an active fanbase today.

P.S: If they didn't do it to Tron, they won't do it to any Star Wars movie.

Fair enough, I had forgotten that.

My point was simply that the Spider-Man reboot was something that many people felt was unnecessary and perplexing, from a creative point of view. I agree that it isn't probable that they will be remade, only that it's possible.

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#604755
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Star Wars - Episode VII - FACTS IN TOP POST
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mfastx said:

I'd like to see them tie in to the originals and even the prequels in some ways.  Like for example take a little something from a few of the films and incorporate it somehow.  I hope it doesn't end up like a complete unrelated trilogy. 

This goes back to the Trilogy of Trilogies idea, where the OT is a microcosm of the larger story, a fractal if you like. If you consider that episode 5 is to 4 and 6 as the OT is to the prequel and sequel trilogies, then you can come to some interesting conclusions.

For example: Episodes 4 and 6 had the Death Star, a unique and awe inspiring machination of the villains, which is only briefly mentioned in Empire. So if you extrapolate that idea to the 3 trilogies, you can have a huge plot structure repeated in the first and third trilogies that was only mentioned in the OT (The clone wars comes to mind). Of course, it doesn't have to be that, it should just be something that makes sense and implies a final trilogy to complete the story.

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#604745
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Two Words for Disney: PREQUEL REBOOT
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Bingowings said:

No I meant these are prequels but they are also earlier episodes of sequence of films.

Most of the audience would know Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader and Luke and Leia are his kids so play with that and have another Anakin have kids and kill them (Anakin is just a name).

In a series with clones you could seem to kill off people but instead kill off a clone.

Make Palpatine a clone of the Sith Lord and then people will be guessing if he is the real guy gone bad or the bad guy pretending to be the good guy.

Shake it up a bit and make it less of a conveyor belt.

http://www.cracked.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=fb89c8144aca124e5553123d04d144aa&topic=54361.msg1274890#msg1274890

Sorry, your post just reminded me of this response on the Cracked forums:

"Six year old Anakin Skywalker steps outside to do his desert planet chores like planting water seeds or milking lizards or some dumb thing when suddenly a Jawa Sandcrawler pulls up in his front yard (doing this totally sweet donut in the process) and all of the Jawas just start pouring out of it, like buckets of fucking Jawas flying out in every direction and start beating him with mangled droid arms. They bust into his house and fuck everything up. He has to watch them trade his hot mom to Jabba the Hutt (who is all making out with her and shit in front of him) in exchange for this bitching awesome hat (it has LED lights that spell out "SLUTS" in Jawa talk) and keep Anakin around to scrape off sand barnacles or whatever space problem you get when you drive Sandcrawlers. Over the course of eight years he pieces together Threepio from droid scraps to keep his sanity but the Jawas find the droid before it even gets turned on on and they sell it to some space guy who uses it . Anakin gets so pissed that he goes and gets the awesome hat and he punches this big hole in the top. The Jawas are so mad they throw him in the sarlaac and he is digested for 1,000 years in horrible pain. SPOILER: he was not that Anakin Skywalker!!"



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#604734
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Two Words for Disney: PREQUEL REBOOT
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Bingowings said:

If expectations were played with it could have been great (the remake of Night Of The Living Dead worked this way, things happened differently creating new drama based on familiarity with the existing material).

Bingo, I'm confused. Are you saying that the prequels should be in an alternate universe? True, that could work, but it's like the Star Trek reboot, where you might as well not call it Star Trek, because it's in a different universe anyway.

But you're absolutely right that backstory can beget backstory.

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#604730
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Two Words for Disney: PREQUEL REBOOT
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I should probably explain what I mean by the "story of the OT."

The story of the original trilogy was the story of how Luke Skywalker became a Jedi Knight and helped defeat an empire. For Lucas to make the OT into part of a six film epic of the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker is unnecessary. Anakin Skywalker can have his own trilogy, and his own story, completely separate from the OT, with a (gasp!) happy ending.

 

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#604724
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Two Words for Disney: PREQUEL REBOOT
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Commander Bane said:

Guys,

The only problem I have here is that no matter how you change or reboot or create a new prequel trilogy entirely, the basic fact of the prequel story is that it is a backstory to the original trilogy. It is not meant to be filmed. It is a bad decision on George's part to attempt to film it.

I agree, the story that Lucas made for the prequels was unfilmable. However, many aspects of that story make no sense in terms of theme, plot, and basic continuity when compared to the OT. In that way, the Lucas prequels are NOT the backstory to Star Wars. Remember that he made up almost all of the details of the story after the OT, or at least there is no reason to think that he had it all planned out ahead of time. For Star Wars, the backstory will always be speculation, so more can always be created or changed.

I think that there are good stories to tell in the Star Wars universe. I just want people to tell them, not continue the story of the OT, which was only 3 movies long.

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#604721
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Two Words for Disney: PREQUEL REBOOT
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Bingowings said:

Me I would make Anakin a navigator on a Spice Freighter. 

He uses his latent Force abilities to plot courses quickly and avoid danger.

He sends his money back to his wife and sister who live on his brother-in-law's farm on a Kansas cornfield planet.

He saves Obi-Wan and listening to his tales of the Force drops everything (including his wife, who he doesn't know is already pregnant) to become a Jedi.

But he gets drawn into an affair with the Queen of Alderaan.

Near the end of the story Darth Vader visits the farm and kills Anakin's wife forcing Kenobi, Owen and Beru to flee to Tatooine.

This is pretty much the story that was implied by the OT. Why Lucas didn't go with this is beyond me.

However, I would go back further into the past, making it 40 years before the OT while Anakin was a teenager. I've been working for some time on a prequel rewrite, and holding so closely to the 20 year time gap feels like it's rushing the story and limiting the audience's imagination of implied events.

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#604706
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Two Words for Disney: PREQUEL REBOOT
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If you want specifics, I'll go next.

- Make Anakin young, old, Luke's age, whatever, just make his character arc understandable in the context of the entire saga. I would make him a teenager, sans the whiny, but I can definitely see an older Anakin working well.

- More real sets. If possible, make the story smaller than the OT, so that it will dovetail with the originals when they are watched in episodic order.

- Above all: Don't give away the revelations of the OT, like Vader's identity, Yoda, and Leia as Luke's sister. Yes, everyone today knows these revelations, but think in the long term. People will watch the prequels first if they want to see everything in chronological order, so don't ruin the surprise, or step on the toes of the originals.

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#604484
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Disney Acquires LucasFilm for $4.05 billion, Episode 7 in 2015, 8 and 9 to Follow, New Film Every 2-3 Years
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If Episodes 7, 8, and 9 are good, it won't be because of the original trilogy, or the prequels. Those stories have been told. It won't be because they interweave themselves with the Expanded Universe. It won't even be because they are part of the Star Wars universe itself. It will be because at their core, they are stories worth telling. So really, what the creators and viewers need to ask is "would this story be good if it didn't have Star Wars on the poster?"

For me, there was only one great story worth telling in Star Wars, and that was told 30 years ago. I believe that more great stories can be told in the Star Wars universe, but I doubt that Disney will be the ones to tell them.

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#600195
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The Vader Trilogy
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Hmm. Is this trilogy a continuation of the Lucas prequels?

I assume that the "enemy" forces in this trilogy are the Rebels. How do you plan to make them a credible threat, given that they are not supposed to win any victory over the Empire until Episode 4?

Definitely a unique take on the idea of the prequels though.

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#600120
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Adventures in Raising the Next Generation of Original Star Wars Fans
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This thread strikes at the heart of why I, and many others want to rewrite the prequels. They have created a paradox wherein no method of watching them yields acceptable results. The OT takes a somewhat mature mind to fully appreciate, this much is generally agreed upon. Thus, watching the prequels at all during early childhood (clearly the target demographic) redefines the OT before it can be appreciated. However, the prequels are almost impossible to appreciate outside of childhood, except through nostalgia.

 

A catch 22, to be sure.

 

As for if I would let my kids watch the prequels, I wouldn't recommend them, nor would I ban them. It's just a few movies, after all. I will keep dreaming of a world where a rewritten Episode 1, 2, and 3 may be a better introduction to Star Wars than even the originals, and who knows, it may become a reality some day.

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#599053
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How would you handle the transition from Republic to Empire?
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While it may be tempting to write a subtle political drama, I think you must first identify your audience. Who is likely to watch a trilogy of movies dedicated to complex political maneuverings? I doubt that children watching the movies in order would be interested, and adults watching them after seeing the originals would be perplexed at the sudden change of tone. After all, the original trilogy painted the political landscape in broad strokes.

 

I would make the Republic a macrocosm of Anakin's journey. The question then becomes: Does the prequel trilogy show Anakin's descent into the Dark Side? If so, then the Republic should follow. If not, then the prequels should end with Anakin as a hero and the Republic as victorious, at least for the moment. Both should reveal a tragic flaw, one seen later as the source of their inevitable defeat, and it could be a very stunning revelation in Episode 5.

 

Consider: The Republic is fighting the Clone Empire. Anakin is a soldier in the Republic army, and the Republic is fearful of its own survival. The mercenary planet of Corellia, with its vast fleet of ships and officers, is for sale to the highest bidder, and its leader, Grand Moff Tarkin, demands governorship over vast expanses of the Republic for his allegiance. The Republic refuses on principle, and the Clone Empire buys the services of Corellia instead. Anakin also is tempted with power, but seemingly rejects it. In Episode 4, the Empire has taken over. We are never told if it is the Clone Empire or the Republic turned Empire, and without this information we can assume that the Clone Empire has triumphed, using the clone-like stormtroopers and the services of the Corellian ships and officers. When it is revealed that the Emperor is the chancellor and Anakin is Vader, we see that Anakin stayed true to the Republic, even as it became an empire. In this way the revelation of Episode 5 becomes that much more potent, and is the hinge on which the entire saga turns.

 

That's the summary of my basic plot, anyway. I may do an entire thread dedicated to it, if anyone would find it interesting.

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#595297
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Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
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Thanks for directing me to the Star Wars Legacy site, I had no idea that such a project was underway. 

Mike's position on distributing his restoration sounds like the knight from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade:

"You have chosen wisely. But the Grail cannot pass beyond the Great Seal. That is the boundary and the price of immortality."

...at least as long as Lucas stands in the way.

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#595181
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Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
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Just an idea that's probably been discussed elsewhere:

 

If you had two or more 35mm prints of a movie, both in poor condition (scratches, blurring), would it not be possible to scan both of them and merge the frames using an algorithm?

I'm thinking of something like the X0 project, so it would probably be time consuming in the extreme, but would this even be theoretically possible?

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#595179
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Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
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Hi negative1, I'm a lurker who just had to make an account for this topic.

 

These tests are excellent, and there are many people who see and appreciate them without commenting.

 

Keep up the amazing work, and if you're going to be making your efforts available only to those expressing interest, sign me up! (Don't know how that system works)

 

In any case, thank you for saving Star Wars!