NeverarGreat

MusicallyInspired said:

Something that hit me today is this whole movie is essentially a giant “Han shot last”. Everyone freaked out at changing Han in ANH from shooting first because it changed his character from a ruthless scoundrel selfish smuggler who has no problem killing who made friends and turned out to be a hero in the end to somebody who was “always good” and would never shoot first, or at least without provocation. This movie will unavoidably portray Han in a heroic light (because that’s what Star Wars is) which completely undermines his OT arc worse than shooting last did in the SE.

I can still enjoy it, though. But yeah, that guy is not Han. No way no how.

We’ll have to wait and see. It would make all the sense in the world for Han to begin as an optimistic, ambitious young man and end the film jaded and dark.

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

NeverarGreat said:
In the Senate, Bail Organa has arrived unexpectedly to rally the allies of the Rebellion and force the Emperor to deal with them. There is a mad rush for votes as they hope to overturn at least some of Palpatine’s authority. Palpatine is forced into a political corner, with no choice but to dissolve the council permanently.

So Bail would have to travel from the Imperial Senate on Coruscant back to Alderaan in well under two hours in order to be there to get blown up when the Death Star arrives? Pfft, that doesn’t sound very realistic!

What did he use, Khan’s special long range transporter or something? 😉

This idea was meant as a joke, but whatever…
…Alderaan was blown up several days into ANH, so technically my timeline works!

So there!

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

Yoda is every bit as strict about the Dark Side in the OT as the Jedi were in the PT.

Not true at all.

“If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.” It doesn’t get more absolutist than that. He also believes that Luke should kill those who use the Dark Side. Luke proves him wrong on both fronts. The Jedi in the PT have more explicit rules, but the underlying absolutism is the same.

Yoda is every bit as strict about the Dark Side in the OT as the Jedi were in the PT.

Anyway, I’d like to see archaeology in a Star Wars movie.

I’d like to see actual space pirates doing space pirate things.

I’d like to see a movie with droids as the main characters.

I’d like to see an alien Force user who has wildly different abilities than human users.

I’d like to see an Ocean’s Eleven style heist.

I’d like to see some good political intrigue.

I’d like to see a Jedi Knight defending a technologically Medieval population against a large, dragonlike alien and its minions.

I’d like to see a Star Wars ghost story.

Collipso said:

Were the lightsabers “fixed” in Star Wars for the 1997 SE or for the 2004 DVD?

Everything, including the lightsabers, was recomposited for the 1997 SE, and then prints were struck from this for the theatrical re-release. In 2004 they went back to the original negative, so the recompositing had to be done again, this time digitally.

At least, this is my understanding of what occurred since it appears that the lightsaber elements (which were shot on low-quality film) have degraded more severely than the underlying footage with each iteration.

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

TV’s Frink said:

The reason I assume YouTube reviews are terrible by default is that literally almost anyone can do one. I’m sure there are good ones but they’re 0.0001% of the total because there’s zero quality control. And often when someone recommends some great video in here (or elsewhere) they turn out to be one of the 99.9999%. So while it’s wrong to assume every YouTube video is bad, the chances of being right about it are pretty solid.

(says this having not watched the most recent video posted)

If your ratio was accurate, nobody would go to Youtube.
I find a useful metric is 90% crap, 10% good.

I thought no one was allowed to post in this thread unless they were using hyperbole, and that anyone who didn’t use hyperbole would literally have their eyeballs removed by ravenous birds.

Regardless, point stands.

Well you’re obviously mistaken because I don’t see any…

wait…

oh sh0)%*&#

TV’s Frink said:

The reason I assume YouTube reviews are terrible by default is that literally almost anyone can do one. I’m sure there are good ones but they’re 0.0001% of the total because there’s zero quality control. And often when someone recommends some great video in here (or elsewhere) they turn out to be one of the 99.9999%. So while it’s wrong to assume every YouTube video is bad, the chances of being right about it are pretty solid.

(says this having not watched the most recent video posted)

If your ratio was accurate, nobody would go to Youtube.
I find a useful metric is 90% crap, 10% good.

SilverWook said:

“Unnamed Irishman Being Crushed by a Potato”
-1891, Colorized

Since the Jedi are the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, can it be Dawn of Justice instead?

SilverWook said:

Yes, that rumor surfaced early last year. Amazing they’ve kept it under wraps this long if it’s true. Might even set the stage for the Hutts to play a role in Episode IX.

Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a trilogy without a Hutt?

A Star Wars Story idea for Disney:

Tantive IV

Taking place in real time, the story crosscuts between Leia/Captain Antilles/the droids on the Tantive IV, Vader and officers on the Devastator, and Palpatine/Bail Organa in the Senate in the two hours between the escape from Scarif and the arrival on Tatooine.

The Tantive storyline focuses on the crew as they come to the realization that they will probably have to give their lives for the Rebellion, and the things they do to prepare for this. There is talk of a mutiny, and Leia is forced to use all her diplomatic skills to keep the situation from boiling over.

On the Devastator, Vader is seriously injured after overexerting himself just minutes before. He descends into Force hybernation where he re-lives his most painful experiences in the two decades leading to this moment. His officers question the sanity of their captain, and their lack of respect for him also leads to a breakdown of discipline.

In the Senate, Bail Organa has arrived unexpectedly to rally the allies of the Rebellion and force the Emperor to deal with them. There is a mad rush for votes as they hope to overturn at least some of Palpatine’s authority. Palpatine is forced into a political corner, with no choice but to dissolve the council permanently.

In the final scene, the Tantive arrives out of Hyperspace and Luke sees the battle in the sky.

Fade out.

paja said:

TV’s Frink said:

Take it to the “What can you do with a potato” thread.

Is it possible to make this Thread?

Anakin Starkiller said:

When you mentioned a podrace as Anakin’s introduction, I thought it was brilliant. However, the exectution is atrocious. I imagined it would feature Qui-Gon and co. stumbling in and deciding to watch the race. Then, he thinks “Hey this kid’s strong with the Force”.

There’s not much footage for that to work though. Further, why would they randomly go to a podrace while they’re on a dangerous mission? The biggest issue is one of the problems of the original - Obi-wan is stuck on the ship the whole time and never sees Anakin’s ability in action.

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

On the one hand, maybe it drains remote suns just like how it destroys remote planets. But in that case, why does it drain its own sun? On the other hand, maybe it does move around to new suns, but in that case why doesn’t it completely drain the first sun it orbits like it does the second (Hux’s speech is in daylight)? To me it doesn’t matter much either way.

I honestly never thought it was two different stars. I just figured the star that they drained to destroy the Hosnian system was large enough that they were able to get two charges out of it.

But Finn claims that the weapon draws power from the sun until it disappears, implying that once the draining starts, it will not stop until the star is destroyed. Poe repeats this during their attack.

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

yotsuya said:

In any case, I thought of something significant. While Leia demotes Poe for wasting their resources in destroying the dreadnought after they jump to hyperspace, in the end, his actions proved to be something that kept them from total destruction because that dreadnought’s weapons could probably have destroyed the fleet through their shields. So Poe saved the day at the beginning of the story and Rose’s sister did not die in vain and at the end of the day, Luke and Rey save the last survivors to fight another day. So the movie is not as dark as it could have been. But even so, Poe learns a valuable lesson about command and when to take risks and that it needs to be more calculated and less reckless.

I’m not sure if it was intentional or not that Poe’s action was ultimately a good decision. It was possibly not thought out that way by RJ. Or, as I mused previously, RJ was focusing on the ethics of decisions, rather than whether the result is good or moral.

Under that theory, it didn’t matter if attacking the Dreadnaught was strategically sound or ultimately a good thing, Poe had to learn to not act for the wrong reasons. I’m not sure how convincing that is - even if my theory is true - because we can believe Poe was operating under a calculated strategy and ended up being right about it. And it enhances the feeling that Leia and Holdo were thinking too short term and treating “hope” with too much reverence.

If Poe was right, he was right by accident. The only reason the Resistance came under attic after they escaped was because of tech believed to be “impossible.” It’s an important lesson either way.

Nonetheless, I think the Resistance should be glad he disobeyed that order.

I do wonder things like why the ships didn’t split up (or why the escape ships weren’t used). Maybe Holdo still didn’t have any idea how the tracking system worked. Or maybe the lead ship could track various ships and relay coordinates to Star Destroyers to go after them.

A question I just heard raised which I hadn’t considered was why Luke didn’t talk about any kind of plan with Leia when he popped in. Did he just hope there was a way out? Or did he know? He delayed the First Order a few minutes, but what was the expectation? I have considered whether it was Luke who lifted the rocks rather than Rey, but that’s probably overthinking it.

I’m glad we didn’t have another scene where a character overexplains something. Less is more in this case.

Interesting idea that Luke might have given Rey an assist with those rocks. I hadn’t considered the possibility after 2 viewings.

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

Matt.F said:

NeverarGreat said:

chyron8472 said:

Mrebo said:

tere are good explanations for most of them anyway.

There are explanations now that we’ve had ages to ponder them. Conversely, the novelization for TLJ isn’t even out yet.

The TFA novel straight up explains how the Starkiller beam could destroy a planet on the other side of the galaxy from where the base itself is located. It just depends on it you want to accept that explanation.

That is to say, you like the movie or you don’t, and that’s your choice. But holding ST and OT up to different yard sticks isn’t exactly fair.

We shouldn’t need novelizations to justify the events of a movie.

But as for different yardsticks, the Death Star was a moon sized space station with essentially a big version of a blaster that could blow up rocky planets. It required the resources of a galaxy-spanning empire to build.

Starkiller Base is a piece of construction many times larger than the Death Star, with a primary weapon requiring seemingly universe-breaking technology that has never been previously hinted at or explained, built by an organization that by all indications is a fraction the size of the Empire.

These are not two yardsticks.

Iteration is your answer.

The German Empire was defeated in WWI, the Nazi’s “rose from the ashes” and 20 years later the Third Reich invaded Poland and WWII began.

The engineering iteration upon the previous weapons, saw the war machine now employ cannon that could span the English channel, unmanned V2 bombs, U boats, and any number of other more advanced hardware (including ultimately nuclear weapons).

Pretty obvious that the First Order is based upon the hardware of the Empire (TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers, Stormtrooper armour, Starkiller Base, etc), and so iteration is your answer to why they are more advanced.

But that still doesn’t answer the question of why they were able to build a far more ambitious project with far less resources. If we saw that they used a robotic workforce and had a lot of automation for their fleet it would make sense, but we get no indication that it’s different from the Empire in this regard. Hux even says that it’s a machine ‘that you have built’. Yet another missed opportunity if you ask me.

Why do we need to see the First Order’s means of production? The only time we saw that before in Star Wars was in one of its most infamous scenes (“Shut me down, machines making machines”). We have no idea how they or the Empire did it so why should it matter?

In the OT trilogy there was no issue showing means of production, since the largest structure we saw was a part of the story’s table setting exposition and they never made anything more impressive than that.

For the prequels, we got a lengthy scene showing the creation of the Clone army, a scene of the droid factory (which was largely unnecessary since the droid army was also established at the beginning of the prequels), and in just GL’s prequels we got an explanation for how the Death Star was designed and saw it being constructed 20 years before it would be finished.

Say what you will about the prequels, it’s undeniable that they have enough rock salt.

Matt.F said:

NeverarGreat said:

chyron8472 said:

Mrebo said:

tere are good explanations for most of them anyway.

There are explanations now that we’ve had ages to ponder them. Conversely, the novelization for TLJ isn’t even out yet.

The TFA novel straight up explains how the Starkiller beam could destroy a planet on the other side of the galaxy from where the base itself is located. It just depends on it you want to accept that explanation.

That is to say, you like the movie or you don’t, and that’s your choice. But holding ST and OT up to different yard sticks isn’t exactly fair.

We shouldn’t need novelizations to justify the events of a movie.

But as for different yardsticks, the Death Star was a moon sized space station with essentially a big version of a blaster that could blow up rocky planets. It required the resources of a galaxy-spanning empire to build.

Starkiller Base is a piece of construction many times larger than the Death Star, with a primary weapon requiring seemingly universe-breaking technology that has never been previously hinted at or explained, built by an organization that by all indications is a fraction the size of the Empire.

These are not two yardsticks.

Iteration is your answer.

The German Empire was defeated in WWI, the Nazi’s “rose from the ashes” and 20 years later the Third Reich invaded Poland and WWII began.

The engineering iteration upon the previous weapons, saw the war machine now employ cannon that could span the English channel, unmanned V2 bombs, U boats, and any number of other more advanced hardware (including ultimately nuclear weapons).

Pretty obvious that the First Order is based upon the hardware of the Empire (TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers, Stormtrooper armour, Starkiller Base, etc), and so iteration is your answer to why they are more advanced.

But that still doesn’t answer the question of why they were able to build a far more ambitious project with far less resources. If we saw that they used a robotic workforce and had a lot of automation for their fleet it would make sense, but we get no indication that it’s different from the Empire in this regard. Hux even says that it’s a machine ‘that you have built’. Yet another missed opportunity if you ask me.

chyron8472 said:

Mrebo said:

tere are good explanations for most of them anyway.

There are explanations now that we’ve had ages to ponder them. Conversely, the novelization for TLJ isn’t even out yet.

The TFA novel straight up explains how the Starkiller beam could destroy a planet on the other side of the galaxy from where the base itself is located. It just depends on it you want to accept that explanation.

That is to say, you like the movie or you don’t, and that’s your choice. But holding ST and OT up to different yard sticks isn’t exactly fair.

We shouldn’t need novelizations to justify the events of a movie.

But as for different yardsticks, the Death Star was a moon sized space station with essentially a big version of a blaster that could blow up rocky planets. It required the resources of a galaxy-spanning empire to build.

Starkiller Base is a piece of construction many times larger than the Death Star, with a primary weapon requiring seemingly universe-breaking technology that has never been previously hinted at or explained, built by an organization that by all indications is a fraction the size of the Empire.

These are not two yardsticks.

chyron8472 said:

As much as I disliked Dubya and was disinterested in watching his State of the Union addresses for policy reasons, I really can not stand listening to Trump for one second. The man infuriates me on a deeply personal level, for more than just policy. I flat out refuse to waste a moment of my time listening to him blow smoke up the asses of his base.

I felt this last night. For a president to so wildly misrepresent the issues to paint himself in a grandiose manner is gross enough, but to go on about bipartisanship and unity is basically gaslighting, given what has happened in the past year.

chyron8472 said:

Why does Shuttle Tydirium that is supposedly transporting parts and crew (by the rebels) to Endor look identical to the shuttle carrying the Emperor himself?

Because he is an Emperor of the people, for the people.

chyron8472 said:

Sighdescraper.

WYCHS

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I see no reason to watch any state of the union address because it’s all horseshit and the only thing it accomplishes is wasting my precious time that I could’ve spent watching better television.

I spent the time watching LOTR: TTT. Many rousing speeches. Saruman 2020.

One does not simply argue with that.

Probably so. Changing the color of the star to dark orange should be an easy fix.

http://www.astronomy.com/news/2017/07/tiny-new-star

Interesting tidbit:

It’s an ultracool M-dwarf star, slightly bigger than Saturn, so if we assume that Starkiller Base is about the same size as Earth, that would bring this into the realm of the comprehensible: