Since the Jedi are the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, can it be Dawn of Justice instead?
Yes, that rumor surfaced early last year. Amazing they’ve kept it under wraps this long if it’s true. Might even set the stage for the Hutts to play a role in Episode IX.
Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a trilogy without a Hutt?
A Star Wars Story idea for Disney:
Tantive IV
Taking place in real time, the story crosscuts between Leia/Captain Antilles/the droids on the Tantive IV, Vader and officers on the Devastator, and Palpatine/Bail Organa in the Senate in the two hours between the escape from Scarif and the arrival on Tatooine.
The Tantive storyline focuses on the crew as they come to the realization that they will probably have to give their lives for the Rebellion, and the things they do to prepare for this. There is talk of a mutiny, and Leia is forced to use all her diplomatic skills to keep the situation from boiling over.
On the Devastator, Vader is seriously injured after overexerting himself just minutes before. He descends into Force hybernation where he re-lives his most painful experiences in the two decades leading to this moment. His officers question the sanity of their captain, and their lack of respect for him also leads to a breakdown of discipline.
In the Senate, Bail Organa has arrived unexpectedly to rally the allies of the Rebellion and force the Emperor to deal with them. There is a mad rush for votes as they hope to overturn at least some of Palpatine’s authority. Palpatine is forced into a political corner, with no choice but to dissolve the council permanently.
In the final scene, the Tantive arrives out of Hyperspace and Luke sees the battle in the sky.
Fade out.
Take it to the “What can you do with a potato” thread.
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When you mentioned a podrace as Anakin’s introduction, I thought it was brilliant. However, the exectution is atrocious. I imagined it would feature Qui-Gon and co. stumbling in and deciding to watch the race. Then, he thinks “Hey this kid’s strong with the Force”.
There’s not much footage for that to work though. Further, why would they randomly go to a podrace while they’re on a dangerous mission? The biggest issue is one of the problems of the original - Obi-wan is stuck on the ship the whole time and never sees Anakin’s ability in action.
On the one hand, maybe it drains remote suns just like how it destroys remote planets. But in that case, why does it drain its own sun? On the other hand, maybe it does move around to new suns, but in that case why doesn’t it completely drain the first sun it orbits like it does the second (Hux’s speech is in daylight)? To me it doesn’t matter much either way.
I honestly never thought it was two different stars. I just figured the star that they drained to destroy the Hosnian system was large enough that they were able to get two charges out of it.
But Finn claims that the weapon draws power from the sun until it disappears, implying that once the draining starts, it will not stop until the star is destroyed. Poe repeats this during their attack.
In any case, I thought of something significant. While Leia demotes Poe for wasting their resources in destroying the dreadnought after they jump to hyperspace, in the end, his actions proved to be something that kept them from total destruction because that dreadnought’s weapons could probably have destroyed the fleet through their shields. So Poe saved the day at the beginning of the story and Rose’s sister did not die in vain and at the end of the day, Luke and Rey save the last survivors to fight another day. So the movie is not as dark as it could have been. But even so, Poe learns a valuable lesson about command and when to take risks and that it needs to be more calculated and less reckless.
I’m not sure if it was intentional or not that Poe’s action was ultimately a good decision. It was possibly not thought out that way by RJ. Or, as I mused previously, RJ was focusing on the ethics of decisions, rather than whether the result is good or moral.
Under that theory, it didn’t matter if attacking the Dreadnaught was strategically sound or ultimately a good thing, Poe had to learn to not act for the wrong reasons. I’m not sure how convincing that is - even if my theory is true - because we can believe Poe was operating under a calculated strategy and ended up being right about it. And it enhances the feeling that Leia and Holdo were thinking too short term and treating “hope” with too much reverence.
If Poe was right, he was right by accident. The only reason the Resistance came under attic after they escaped was because of tech believed to be “impossible.” It’s an important lesson either way.
Nonetheless, I think the Resistance should be glad he disobeyed that order.
I do wonder things like why the ships didn’t split up (or why the escape ships weren’t used). Maybe Holdo still didn’t have any idea how the tracking system worked. Or maybe the lead ship could track various ships and relay coordinates to Star Destroyers to go after them.
A question I just heard raised which I hadn’t considered was why Luke didn’t talk about any kind of plan with Leia when he popped in. Did he just hope there was a way out? Or did he know? He delayed the First Order a few minutes, but what was the expectation? I have considered whether it was Luke who lifted the rocks rather than Rey, but that’s probably overthinking it.
I’m glad we didn’t have another scene where a character overexplains something. Less is more in this case.
Interesting idea that Luke might have given Rey an assist with those rocks. I hadn’t considered the possibility after 2 viewings.
tere are good explanations for most of them anyway.
There are explanations now that we’ve had ages to ponder them. Conversely, the novelization for TLJ isn’t even out yet.
The TFA novel straight up explains how the Starkiller beam could destroy a planet on the other side of the galaxy from where the base itself is located. It just depends on it you want to accept that explanation.
That is to say, you like the movie or you don’t, and that’s your choice. But holding ST and OT up to different yard sticks isn’t exactly fair.
We shouldn’t need novelizations to justify the events of a movie.
But as for different yardsticks, the Death Star was a moon sized space station with essentially a big version of a blaster that could blow up rocky planets. It required the resources of a galaxy-spanning empire to build.
Starkiller Base is a piece of construction many times larger than the Death Star, with a primary weapon requiring seemingly universe-breaking technology that has never been previously hinted at or explained, built by an organization that by all indications is a fraction the size of the Empire.
These are not two yardsticks.
Iteration is your answer.
The German Empire was defeated in WWI, the Nazi’s “rose from the ashes” and 20 years later the Third Reich invaded Poland and WWII began.
The engineering iteration upon the previous weapons, saw the war machine now employ cannon that could span the English channel, unmanned V2 bombs, U boats, and any number of other more advanced hardware (including ultimately nuclear weapons).
Pretty obvious that the First Order is based upon the hardware of the Empire (TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers, Stormtrooper armour, Starkiller Base, etc), and so iteration is your answer to why they are more advanced.
But that still doesn’t answer the question of why they were able to build a far more ambitious project with far less resources. If we saw that they used a robotic workforce and had a lot of automation for their fleet it would make sense, but we get no indication that it’s different from the Empire in this regard. Hux even says that it’s a machine ‘that you have built’. Yet another missed opportunity if you ask me.
Why do we need to see the First Order’s means of production? The only time we saw that before in Star Wars was in one of its most infamous scenes (“Shut me down, machines making machines”). We have no idea how they or the Empire did it so why should it matter?
In the OT trilogy there was no issue showing means of production, since the largest structure we saw was a part of the story’s table setting exposition and they never made anything more impressive than that.
For the prequels, we got a lengthy scene showing the creation of the Clone army, a scene of the droid factory (which was largely unnecessary since the droid army was also established at the beginning of the prequels), and in just GL’s prequels we got an explanation for how the Death Star was designed and saw it being constructed 20 years before it would be finished.
Say what you will about the prequels, it’s undeniable that they have enough rock salt.
tere are good explanations for most of them anyway.
There are explanations now that we’ve had ages to ponder them. Conversely, the novelization for TLJ isn’t even out yet.
The TFA novel straight up explains how the Starkiller beam could destroy a planet on the other side of the galaxy from where the base itself is located. It just depends on it you want to accept that explanation.
That is to say, you like the movie or you don’t, and that’s your choice. But holding ST and OT up to different yard sticks isn’t exactly fair.
We shouldn’t need novelizations to justify the events of a movie.
But as for different yardsticks, the Death Star was a moon sized space station with essentially a big version of a blaster that could blow up rocky planets. It required the resources of a galaxy-spanning empire to build.
Starkiller Base is a piece of construction many times larger than the Death Star, with a primary weapon requiring seemingly universe-breaking technology that has never been previously hinted at or explained, built by an organization that by all indications is a fraction the size of the Empire.
These are not two yardsticks.
Iteration is your answer.
The German Empire was defeated in WWI, the Nazi’s “rose from the ashes” and 20 years later the Third Reich invaded Poland and WWII began.
The engineering iteration upon the previous weapons, saw the war machine now employ cannon that could span the English channel, unmanned V2 bombs, U boats, and any number of other more advanced hardware (including ultimately nuclear weapons).
Pretty obvious that the First Order is based upon the hardware of the Empire (TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers, Stormtrooper armour, Starkiller Base, etc), and so iteration is your answer to why they are more advanced.
But that still doesn’t answer the question of why they were able to build a far more ambitious project with far less resources. If we saw that they used a robotic workforce and had a lot of automation for their fleet it would make sense, but we get no indication that it’s different from the Empire in this regard. Hux even says that it’s a machine ‘that you have built’. Yet another missed opportunity if you ask me.
tere are good explanations for most of them anyway.
There are explanations now that we’ve had ages to ponder them. Conversely, the novelization for TLJ isn’t even out yet.
The TFA novel straight up explains how the Starkiller beam could destroy a planet on the other side of the galaxy from where the base itself is located. It just depends on it you want to accept that explanation.
That is to say, you like the movie or you don’t, and that’s your choice. But holding ST and OT up to different yard sticks isn’t exactly fair.
We shouldn’t need novelizations to justify the events of a movie.
But as for different yardsticks, the Death Star was a moon sized space station with essentially a big version of a blaster that could blow up rocky planets. It required the resources of a galaxy-spanning empire to build.
Starkiller Base is a piece of construction many times larger than the Death Star, with a primary weapon requiring seemingly universe-breaking technology that has never been previously hinted at or explained, built by an organization that by all indications is a fraction the size of the Empire.
These are not two yardsticks.
As much as I disliked Dubya and was disinterested in watching his State of the Union addresses for policy reasons, I really can not stand listening to Trump for one second. The man infuriates me on a deeply personal level, for more than just policy. I flat out refuse to waste a moment of my time listening to him blow smoke up the asses of his base.
I felt this last night. For a president to so wildly misrepresent the issues to paint himself in a grandiose manner is gross enough, but to go on about bipartisanship and unity is basically gaslighting, given what has happened in the past year.
Why does Shuttle Tydirium that is supposedly transporting parts and crew (by the rebels) to Endor look identical to the shuttle carrying the Emperor himself?
Because he is an Emperor of the people, for the people.
Sighdescraper.
WYCHS
I see no reason to watch any state of the union address because it’s all horseshit and the only thing it accomplishes is wasting my precious time that I could’ve spent watching better television.
I spent the time watching LOTR: TTT. Many rousing speeches. Saruman 2020.
One does not simply argue with that.
Probably so. Changing the color of the star to dark orange should be an easy fix.
http://www.astronomy.com/news/2017/07/tiny-new-star
Interesting tidbit:
It’s an ultracool M-dwarf star, slightly bigger than Saturn, so if we assume that Starkiller Base is about the same size as Earth, that would bring this into the realm of the comprehensible:
Pretty sure the Emperor’s tower is supposed to be at or near the North Pole of the DSII
I had always thought it was closer to the South Pole, as the Emperor points upwards (roughly ten o’clock) when gesturing to the sanctuary moon, and Luke’s gaze follows in that direction.
Assuming, of course, that DS2 isn’t orbiting upside-down. I thought it was only flipped horizontally in post 😃
From memory he even says, “your friends up there on the sanctuary moon are walking into a trap”, though I’ll have to re-watch it to confirm it. Online quotes record him saying “out there”, “down there” and “up there” depending on which version you read!
According to this Bothan intelligence, the Death Star is oriented along the same axis as Endor:
Who are you going to believe?
Your local delusional, ignorant, deplorable, shithole assface pile-o-what’sit here, saying that I was quite fond of our president’s State of the Union Address.
From what I’ve gathered, even an ‘effing moron’ can make a cogent speech once in a blue moon.
Better than the other guy’s speech.
A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.
The bomber: People complained about how the bomber thing was unrealistic because there’s no gravity in space. That pedantry is inaccurate. The bombs fell due to the gravitational force of the Star Destroyer underneath the bomber. This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.
I read in the visual dictionary that the bombs used magnetic tech as well.
Oh dear oh dear.
It says here that the sound was a combination of an elephant recording from 1958 which had been used in several movies, overlaid with car noises.
Yeah, that’s definitely how it reads. But it’s just so monotone, always a poor teacher. It would be nice to have one moment of good instruction without him butting in, just to give a bit of contrast to the part.
That scene would also be a good place to start. The reason I like the Casino planet first, however, is that it would allow a great deal of specificity about Finn and Rose which would be necessary to understanding what’s going on.
On another note, something that bugs me:
“And this is the lesson. That Force does not belong to the Jedi.
To say that if the Jedi die the light dies is vanity, can you feel that?
There’s something else…”
I’d remove the sentence about vanity, since his meaning is clear with his first two sentences. This scene is one of my favorites in the movie, and this line is one of many in the movie that overexplain and end up being a detriment to the tone.
