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darthrush said:

Kylo Pleads to Rey Rescoring - UPDATED

https://vimeo.com/265136372

I tried to build upon many suggestions when I got to finetuning this rescoring.

-Firstly, the music now fades out when we cut to the bridge with Hux. I was able to bridge the rising drums between two points at the end of the piece to do so and it flows pretty well.
-The music has been turned down a notch so that the dialogue can stand out more.
-The music now starts earlier and fades in more gradually.
-The dialogue audio has been polished up.

Please tell me how you all like the updates to the scene!

This is a rare case of rescoring with a prequel theme that actually works for me. In fact, I kind of love it.

There’s just one thing that bugs me. Now that the music is so much more dramatic, Kylo’s lines about her parents being ‘filthy junk traders’ sounds a bit quotidian and out of place. This is also a result of Rian’s penchant for having characters overexplain things, so I’d really like to hear a version where Kylo is silent after Rey says ‘They were nobody’. Maybe just skip right to ‘You have no place in this story’, and maybe show her reaching out to take Kylo’s hand before cutting to the cruiser turning around.

This would also avoid the confusion of Rey’s vision where she clearly sees a ship flying away from Jakku.

I found this when searching just “Neverar”. My full username mostly just returns images from my CC thread.

That’s great. Shame that Rey looks weird though.

DrDre said:

Stotchy said:

Out of curiosity, for your SE regrade will the output be LUTs to apply over the Bluray, or LUTs to apply to Neverar’s regrade of the Bluray?

I will use Neverar’s regrade, since he’s fixed so many issues with it, it’s now the best source available.

Honestly never considered that you’d use my version, despite the intention of it being a base for further edits.

I’m honored. 😃

The fact that any difference at all can be detected goes to show how much Vader’s voice was different than Jones’s normal narration. There’s often a richness in his narration that is lost in the voice of Vader, replaced instead with a more monotone menace.

Considering that, I think the replacement line is absolutely great.

darthrush said:

I’ll have to think that idea through Neverar. It sounds VERY interesting.

The question is…do we want to see Luke consider killing Kylo or not? It all comes back to if we want that moment or not.

Really good ideas being thrown around though.

I feel like that moment of murderous intent is what ‘ruins’ Luke’s character for many people. I personally can live with it, but must admit that Rian probably went too far in making Luke unsympathetic. Another reason for getting rid of the final flashback is that it works too hard in explaining something that ought to be simple. If you’re using three flashbacks to explain why something happened, maybe the problem is that what you’re describing is simply out of character. The escalation of Luke causing Kylo to become defensive, causing Luke to become defensive, causing Kylo to assume the worst is easier to believe than Luke trying to murder his young nephew, and it could all be shown and not told.

Torn, I am. I love the leaf joke, but this is so good.
Consider this, I will.

Has anyone considered the feasibility of removing most of the flashback scenes altogether? There are a few reasons for this, one being that Star Wars movies have never had straight-up flashbacks (even if these are colored by Point of View).

Also, since most people who take issue with Luke cite his brief murderous intentions toward his nephew, it might work to present a more enigmatic version of events. Here’s one way it could be presented:

Remove the first flashback from Luke’s perspective. Have it go from
“By the time I realized I was no match for the darkness rising in him…It was too late.”
to
“Leia blamed Snoke, but…It was me. I failed. Because I was Luke Skywalker. Jedi master.”

This makes it sound like he simply wasn’t a good enough teacher to stop Snoke and his influence. Although if the issue is not the flashback itself but Luke’s behavior in the hut, it might be good to keep the entire recollection, just minus the shot of inside Kylo’s hut. This way the entire flashback could be viewed as correct and not tainted by Luke’s point of view.

Next, move Ren’s version of the flashback until after the Darkside cave, when they are communicating in the island hut. Then the flashback can be played as a Force vision from Kylo to Rey:
“He sensed my power…as he senses yours. And he feared it.”
Show Kylo starting awake, and seeing Luke standing over him in the darkness with a crazed look on his face. Out of self-preservation, Kylo pulls his saber to him. The green saber ignites, then Kylo’s. There is a clash of blue and green, then the hut collapses. Suddenly a vision comes to Kylo and Rey of the throne room, and of Kylo holding out his hand. Rey reaches out to take it, and in the island hut their fingers touch.

Luke interrupts this revelation as he does in the movie. Then the rain battle could stay as it is, or she could knock Luke down quickly without wanting to know anything more about Kylo. In either case, there is no flashback from Luke. Rey is more interested in telling Luke her vision of the future:

“There is still conflict in him. If he turned from the dark side, that could shift the tide. This could be how we win.”
“This is not going to go the way you think.”
“It is. Just now, when we touched hands…I saw his future. As solid as I’m seeing you. If I go to him, Ben Solo will turn.”

These changes might clear up a lot of the character inconsistencies in the movie. Luke is acting in character by nonviolently confronting Kylo about the darkness he has sensed within him. Kylo is acting in character by being surprised and frightened by Luke standing over him in his room at night with a look of horror and fear, and responds through simple self-preservation. The quick escalation is understandable and tragic, and Rey understands that there wasn’t time for Luke to turn Ren as he did Vader, and has decided to do this herself since Luke is too consumed with his failure.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Essentially everything bad about Lynch’s Dune is a direct result of studio mandates to condense the story into a 136-minute runtime. Except for the depiction of the baron. That’s 100% Lynch’s fault.

Backing up to this for a minute, I think that even as a 4 hour movie Lynch’s effort would have fallen short. The reason for this is because the movie seems incapable of doing more than one thing with each scene - characters enter a room, spout exposition about X thing (often with mental narration), then leave.

Take for example gom jabbar. In the book, Paul is tested to see if he is ‘truly human’, but he sees through the Reverend Mother’s facade to understand that the Bene Gesserit’s primary goal is not such tests but rather political power. He then becomes mistrustful of their order. In the movie he apparently approves of the reasoning behind the test and doesn’t inquire further as to their true intentions. Yet in the final scene of the movie he acts as if the Bene Gesserit is an enemy, without the setup from the book.

And this is just one example. Such things happen constantly, always taking a surface reading of a scene and treating it as if it were the entire purpose the scene. The Voice is now just a magical power rather than an understanding of which words will command specific personality types. The Sadukar are now just faceless brutes, and no reason is given for the Emperor’s fear of Paul beyond his power over Spice. The whole point of Dune is that every situation has wheels within wheels, and there are ways of illustrating this subconsciously or in the background without resorting to clunky exposition.

I am equally impressed and bewildered. The cleanup is quite good, but you seem to have George Lucased it in the process.

Also…touché?

ray_afraid said:

The most satisfying thing so far, for me, is the Kylo Ren Undercover Boss skit on SNL.

Yeah, wasn’t Anakin’s whole thing in TPM about wanting to put his fist through that whole Slave-trading town?

That would be annoying if true since she never met Yoda in life, and only being able to see people you knew as Force Ghosts is one of their unwritten rules.

ZkinandBonez said:

Some unused 1982 promo photos by Brian Griffin:

There were more photos, but the three above were the most “funny/interesting” ones:

Luke B&W
Han B&W
Vader
slave Leia B&W
Endor Leia
Chewie

Woof. They look almost as awkward as their action figures.

Nostalgia Goggles

God Emperor of Dune was released in the 80’s, so perhaps there was some inspiration going the other way at that point.

I’d definitely be interested in that.

Something like that could be incredibly powerful if it were set to work on video, where it could identify a detail from one frame and carry it through the frames where it is blurry.

pleasehello said:

TiMartyn said:

ziggyonice said:

I’m late to the party here… but again, regarding Canto Bight…

Does anyone else have a problem with the whole “Rose hates rich people” element? Frankly, I would like to take some of the “real world” politics out of that sequence. I get it, war profiteering is bad, but do we really need a conversation about it in Star Wars?

I’d rather cut out that sequence, and never have Rose mention it.

I second this. It’s oddly detracting from a subplot that already detracts from the movie itself. “Political commentary,” if you want to call it that, feels cheap when it doesn’t say anything genuinely controversial or bold.

Yes. I’m generally not averse to political commentary in film if it’s done subtly or cleverly woven into the story. TLJ has the most ham-fisted political commentary I’ve seen in recent memory.

Unfortunately removing it also removes almost any further character development for Rose, which is why I left some of it my edit. I did remove the “Now it’s worth it” line, though. That was the worst.

Really? I thought that the line was about the only one that was earned.

Another Machine Learning algorithm:

https://www.fastcodesign.com/90149773/this-ai-turns-unrecognizable-pixelated-photos-into-crystal-clear-images

Jay said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Jay said:

TLJ has none of that mystery because it picks up literally where the previous installment leaves off, and that’s J.J.'s fault because he just had to have his dramatic ending and couldn’t tell a complete story

Rian wasn’t forced into anything by JJ, especially not making TLJ to pick up right where TFA left off, mere seconds later.

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Rian was definitely forced to do certain things based on the way things had played out in TFA, but a lack of a time jump isn’t one of them.

moviefreakedmind said:

I haven’t actually seen TLJ, but I can’t even imagine how jarring a time jump would be given the way TFA ends.

Pretty much this right here. The style of the scene set the expectation that the audience would be shown what happens next. As I mentioned in my earlier review, I actually enjoyed Luke’s saber toss because it was like Rian thumbing his nose at the overdone cliffhanger.

And don’t get me started on what TLJ ignored from TFA. All we heard from cough apologists cough after TFA was that all the mysteries were a big setup for some great reveals in the next installment. The truth is likely that J.J. had no idea what any of those reveals should be (again, he likes throwing a lot of balls in the air and letting other people catch them) and Rian had no desire to be saddled with filling in all those holes.

Killing the past seemed to be not just Kylo’s driving force, but Rian’s. Setting aside some of the junk storytelling in TFA provided a few of the best moments in TLJ.

I think that while Rian pretty much had to finish this scene, there was no reason he couldn’t have focused on Rey’s story and her lessons for a substantial amount of time before getting back to the spaceship chase plot. It would have solved the problem of the time jump for me, as well as building suspense for the plight of our other heroes as we and Rey get a fragmentary understanding of their danger through her communication with Kylo.

MalàStrana said:

NeverarGreat said:

Trump is very smart at branding and controlling the media narrative.

Media is politics, then do the math 😃

Not really. Working with Congress is politics. Making coherent policy is politics. Being an effective leader is politics.

Media is just one part of the equation, something that Trump still doesn’t understand.

Trump is very smart at branding and controlling the media narrative.

That’s it.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Superweapon VII

It’s like poetry.

But Rey’s introduction was also an all-timer. The first third of that movie, really, is just great.