SHUT UP ABOUT PLOT HOLES
a video by Patrick (H) Willems
I enjoyed that video, because the illogical parts simply added to its humanity.
Moreover, I think we should be thankful for these ‘inconsistencies’, because they make it possible for those truly great movie moments. Moments that tugged on the heartstrings and transcended mere logic to enter into the sublime.
Luke being reluctant is fine and I was okay with the hermit in exile thing, but never to completely give up hope and go off to die alone on an island. TFA felt like it was pointing in a definite direction, and TLJ felt like it was acknowledging that direction and purposefully going the other way (Johnson says as much in pretty much every interview about it: “subverting expectations”) while staring you dead in the eye like a cat pushing a priceless Ming vase off of a high shelf.
I legitimately don’t know how you can think that TFA was “pushing Luke in a definite direction” that somehow excluded his interpretation in TLJ. Genuinely curious to hear thoughts on this, as I truly can’t think of anything in TFA that contradicts his portrayal in TLJ or suggests it would have been something else.
As for “subverting expectations,” I think people read to much into that to mean Johnson was trying to annoy fans at every turn or something. I think what he actually means is more in the minutiae of the telling of his film itself, feinting one way and going another - not to annoy fans but to thrill them with a story that keeps you guessing.
My impression of Luke’s mindset from watching only TFA was that he became discouraged with his effectiveness as a teacher and went in search of something that would make him better able to pass on what he had learned. Since he was the last of the Jedi, the only thing remaining would apparently be these texts on a half-mystical island. Keep in mind that he gave the coordinates to R2 before he left, so it’s not like he went there to hide, at least not in the beginning. There’s also the fact that JJ wanted Luke to be practicing Force techniques when Rey found him.
So the idea of Luke in TFA was that of Rocky having lost a fight and needing to train harder for the next one.
Luke in TLJ has lost all hope.
It’s a not insignificant difference.
Good luck changing Han’s dialogue though.
‘Star Wars: The Last Plinkett Review’ - Mr. Plinkett examines Star Wars Episode 8 The Last Jedi.
Sorry, I have to address one of the small points in this review.
The First Order was so quick to find the Resistance base because they’d already found it in TFA and for some reason didn’t immediately send a Star Destroyer there in that movie.
Get it right you hack frauds.
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I do agree with a lot of the rest though. That the movie seems to be more of a comedy than other Star Wars movies is a good point.
I don’t know. I haven’t seen it in so long but the scene where Anakin is alone in the council chamber and Padme is at their apartment and they stare out of their windows is probably the best scene of the whole PT. I know that in a lot of ways that’s a low bar, but I think it’s great and I’m being serious when I say that that scene is as well done as anything in the OT.
It’s actually better than most of the OT. How often can you say that anything in Star Wars even approaches ‘haunting’ as an apt descriptor?
I mean, other than Force Ghosts.
Connix is the ST’s Wedge (I can’t remember if I’ve said so here before, so sorry if I made this exact same post three months ago).
But who is the Ric Olie of the ST? 😛
A pilot who almost exclusively remarks on things that the audience already knows?
Search your feelings.
The only thing that bothers me is Kylo’s inclusion in TLJ. I assume Finn will be on the cover of Episode 9, but what happens if JJ makes Finn/Rey/Poe a clear mirror of Luke/Leia/Han?
Why complain about the flawless CG Leia rather than the admirable, but could use improvement CG Tarkin?
Leia showing up at all was pure fan service, and really makes no sense if you think about it. What was a senator doing at the Attack in Scariff? Strategically speaking all she was was a liability. If she was captured, Alderaan would be proven guilty of rebellion. She wasn’t fighting nor did she have any expertise, and the plan was to escape via the big ship (as per Raddus’s orders) not the freighter. Why is she there?
Or, you know, they put her there for continuity?
Her cover story to Vader in ANH relies on him not knowing that she (or her ship) was involved on Scarif. If she knew that Vader watched the Tantive IV fly away with the plans, it makes her story kinda stupid.
I seriously don’t see how The Phantom Menace is more watchable than Revenge of the Sith. Nothing happens in TPM that we care about; and Jar Jar and TPM-Anakin’s acting are not more watchable than ROTS-Anakin’s acting.
It depends greatly on our own point of view. If you’re looking at it from the perspective of the overall story of the saga, sure it’s fairly superfluous. But taken in isolation, it’s a grand, impressive, and weird sci-fi movie that just happens to take place in the Star Wars universe where ROTS tries so much to tie into the OT that it can’t help but be lessened by the comparison.
I get the feeling they’re gonna turn those horses into big goats.
Honey I shrunk the resistance!
Wouldn’t that be ‘Honey I enlarged the kids?’
DominicCobb said:
The theory that Qui-Gon is the only Jedi Anakin ever saw as a “truly good man” is a nice theory, but ultimately just that - a theory. There’s evidence to support it, but at the end of the day nothing like that is ever clearly (or even subtly) communicated in the films.If he was a figure that Anakin looked up to and Obi-Wan always failed to match him as a teacher then that would be a character thing.
well, he was. isn’t there a scene in AotC where Anakin talks about Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan feels bad for not being as good as he was?
Dooku mentions Qui-gon I think, and there’s a deleted scene where the librarian talks about Qui-gon as well, but that’s it. Anakin doesn’t mention him at all in Episodes 2 and 3.
I’ve found that the Leia CG looks really good when standing right in front of a big screen, but when I take a few steps back and view it at any reasonable distance it starts to look strange. I imagine that’s how the animator worked on the shot, very close and detail oriented, to the point where they forgot about the overall impression.
It feels like the music of the scene has moved on by the time Padme starts talking about Naboo, and I’m not really listening to her anymore because of that.
An expanded idea from another thread.
In order to improve continuity between RO and ANH, show Vader’s shuttle docking with the flagship and the Rebels running through the halls in desperation, carrying the floppy disk. Perhaps they think that they can get away with it in an escape pod (like in ANH), but when the door jams and Vader appears, they quickly hand the plans to an officer on the other side of the door, who plugs it back into the ship (using the shot of him removing the plans except reversed), and transmits the plans from that station to the Tantive, which is waiting at the edge of the system.
As the door is forcibly sliced open and the rest of the soldiers perish, cut to the Tantive IV flying through empty space (VFX work would be needed to remove the flagship and the planet below). The movie ends as it does originally, sans Scarif.
To fix it would be easy, just delete those scenes. No cringe and better continuity.
It would be cool if some fanedit showed the Rebel soldiers frantically transmitting the plans to the Tantive IV, floating somewhere at the edge of the Scarif system. It would still use the Leia CG, but would make for much better continuity.
I have to be careful with those, because certain ones really are too depressing.
E. T. & The Land Before Time never floated my boat.
So that’s why they’re on the bottom of the ocean.
One idea that may prove quite effective: If I am able to cut Finn’s accidental activation of the game table from the Falcon, I could place one of those shots (cropped) into Rey’s interrogation to imply that Rey got to know Finn on the Falcon.
Do any of you think it might be a good idea to remove the Obi vs. Ani fight?
I’ve considered this for my edit. I’ve always felt the fight to be over-long, too cartoony is parts and somewhat anti-climatic. By removing it, it can once again be as epic as it was in our imaginations.
Couldn’t you say the same thing for the whole PT?
Well they originated during TOS, and having them be Humanoid was the only way to make them convincing.
My philosophy is if you can’t make truly alien aliens, don’t include aliens in your story. The Trek universe is a largely anthropocentric universe anyway, so it would’ve been a better course of action to have made the Vulcans/Klingons/etc. derivations of humanity and left non-human entities out of the picture entirely.
These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its continuing mission: to monitor human Federation worlds, to seek out no new life and avoid other civilizations; to boldly go where humanity has already gone before.
Krull (1983)
If you like The Dark Crystal, Robin Hood movies, and Surrealist art, you’ll probably like Krull a lot. Needless to say, I quite enjoyed it. It’s astonishing that it took this long to get around to watching it.
One complaint I have is that it is too long. It took three sittings to get though (not really the fault of the movie, it’s just that we kept starting it at my girlfriend’s bedtime), but it could use a fanedit for time. Not that I would do such a thing…
ESB in a nutshell.
Indoraptor
Qui-gon should just carry him everywhere as a hologram.
