Neglify

That is a good viewpoint to have. To anybody wanting to study, I would suggest reading both anti-Scientology books and Scientology books back-to-back. Read "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health" and then "Bare-Faced Messiah." "Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought" coupled with "Inside Scientology." "Introduction to Scientology Ethics" and "Blown for Good."

Whoop whoop.

The sun has been strong out here a lot lately. Reminds me of a Carlin bit.

I've been worshiping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, and a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to God are all answered at about the same 50% rate.

Oh and political things, so as to be on topic...

In America, anybody can become President. That's the problem.

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These days many politicians are demanding change. Just like homeless people.

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I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, "If you don't vote, you have no right to complain," but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for that these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created.

FremenDar2019 said:

Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief by Lawrence Wright

I highly recommend borrowing this book from a public library or even buying it. Made me stead-fast as to how ridiculous of a cult Scientology is. Also a quite good read too.

 Agree, that book is fascinating.

How about the "Hi my name is... thread (Was: Religious Political Weather Thread (Was: Conspiracy Theories About What The Fcuk Bingowings Is Saying Sometimes Thread))" thread

I apologize to Bingowings for murdering him a couple lifetimes ago.

Awesome avatars Tobar! I suggest "Frink" takes the cartoon one and Ric Olie 2 take the human.

"12 Years a Slave." It was good and all, very well made, much better than any slavery film I could try to make. But I don't know, nothing really surprised or moved me. Ok fine, "White folk are bad." Tell me something I don't know.

My theory: The entire movie was fictional.

GDI nvm.

Oh... podcasts.

I do believe that "The Great Train Robbery" (1903) was the first use of "breaking the fourth wall".

TV's Frink said:

He's still late.

 So he's pregnant?

Good news everybody!

Blueyoda released his latest assembly, "fel @ vie". Even Frink watched it!

http://www.fanedit.org/forums/content.php?876-fel-vie-by-blueyoda-is-released!

I got a chance to read my SP declare today.

It was dated 22 August, 2012. I didn't find out about it until 12 February, 2014.*

To summarize what it said...

I spread false data and entheta* about Scientology to other Scientologists and staff members. I stole organizational documents while I was a contracted staff member*. 

I also committed "technical high crimes," from when I was a Scientology counselor. I falsified notes of sessions and omitted vital information (not always) and I fell asleep in session (once). These all happened and I confessed them in my leaving confessional.

It then states I'm a "squirrel." A squirrel is someone who routinely mis-applies Scientology technology harmfully. 

I don't recall the exact High Crimes I was declared for, but I think it was these..

"Violation or neglect of any of the ten points of Keeping Scientology Working..." *
"Pronouncing Scientologists guilty of the practice of standard Scientology."
"Public disavowal of Scientology or Scientologists in good standing..."

...........

So there you go. It is true, I did do dose thangs. Do I regret these actions, in hindsight? Of course. And I wish I was smarter and shut my mouth more, but hey whaddya gone do?

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Footnotes:

(1) Scientology has a set of steps, "Ethics Gradients". These form a "rough guide to the severity of discipline" within Scientology. With something severe, such as a Committee of Evidence or an SP Declare, it is common practice to put the order on hold for a period of time before fully enforcing it. They call it "suspending findings for a period of review." In my case (I think), they had a temporary approval but not a strong enough case, so they wanted to wait and see if I would do something like say "Fuck L. Ron Hubbard and fuck all his clones" on Facebook.

(2) Entheta = bad juju.

(3) This is totally true. When I left I stole two folders of documents, for my own self-indulgent purposes. Reports written on me, reports I wrote on others, organizational memos and directives, and even some confidential docs I took from some counseling files. My sister found these in my room, after being sent in to spy on me because they thought I was this internet guy. 

(4) Here are all ten points. And here's the entire Keeping Scientology Working bulletin if you want to read it. You won't understand it though. 

TV's Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Ha, douche muffin Terminator is banned. Not a surprise, even since before the ESBR debacle.

 For those who missed it:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-IT-WILL-BE-RELEASED-WHEN-IT-S-DONE/post/688785/#TopicPost688785

"Son, just don't" was a good ALLOL.

Me love this thread veddy much.

RicOlie_2 said:

I want to know how we turned into black face-palming muppets on May 16, 1990 in this universe.

 Mad Scientist Frink gave muppets life. Muppets enslaved humanity. Black muppets killed all non-black muppets. 

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

I am struck by the complexity and cryptic-ness of the structure.  Half of what the OP is posting I can't even follow.  It almost seems like members get so entwined in this tentacled labrynth that they don't notice obviously horrible things like banning family members from seeing each other.  I think the scientific name for that is "groupthink", and the Hitler analogy seems to have been applied to the wrong side, at least in that respect.

Back in the 80s when I was playing a lot of music, many of my musician friends were in Scientology because it got them off of drugs.  So I thought it was fine and benign, until I saw one of them (who I briefly dated) trying to use it to treat someone with alzheimers.  I thought that was seriously presumptuous for someone without a medical background, and have been suspicious of it ever since.

Given my observations, above, is there any sort of self-reflection built into the system?  Or does it (the system) pretty much presume itself to be infalible?

 Scientology is an incredibly dense subject. It takes dedication to properly study it. I've tried explaining things the best I can but naturally it won't make sense to outsiders.

As far as self-reflection goes, that's not an easy Yes or No answer. Hubbard's writings are considered infallible, but he himself has written that you should use your own judgment and believe for yourself what is true.

But you'll get declared if you publicly state that you feel Scientology is bullshit.

L. Ron said:

We of the Church believe... that all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others.

- Creed of the Church of Scientology

Scientology is a workable system. This does not mean it is the best possible system or a perfect system. Remember and use that definition. Scientology is a workable system.

- Policy letter, "Safeguarding Technology"

What is true for you is what you have observed yourself... Nothing in Scientology is true for you unless you have observed it and it is true according to your observation.

- Article, "Personal Integrity"

I started working on a comparison between "The Master" and Scientology. Here's what I got so far...

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Film: Lancaster Dodd is the leader of “The Cause”.
Reality: Lafayette Hubbard was the leader of “Scientology”.

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Film: Dodd sails on a ship named Alethia. Alethia is Greek for “the state of not being hidden, the state of being evident”.
Reality: Hubbard sailed a trio of ships, the Apollo, the Athena and the Diana. Apollo was one of the most important and complex of the Greek gods. Athena was a goddess of wisdom, courage, inspiration, etc. Diana was the goddess of the hunt, the moon and birthing. Also, Diana Hubbard was his oldest child with Mary Sue and sailed with them as their “Lieutenant Commander”. (Fun fact. The ships were originally called the Royal Scotsman, the Avon River and the Enchanter.)

References: "Bare-Faced Messiah"; "A Piece of Blue Sky"; "Inside Scientology"

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Film: Dodd tells Freddie he’s “aberrated” and that he’s “wandered from the proper path.”
Reality: “Aberrated” is a common Scientology term, meaning “a departure from rational thought or behavior… The word is also used in its scientific sense… departure from a straight line.”

Reference: Scientology glossary

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Film: Dodd believes he knew Freddie in a past life. There are numerous references to past lives throughout the movie.
Reality: Past life memory is a key factor in Scientology’s doctrines.

Reference: Scientology FAQ

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Film: Dodd says he is “a writer, a doctor, a nuclear physicist, a theoretical philosopher, but above all I am a man...”
Reality: Hubbard was a prolific pulp fiction writer for years before starting Dianetics. He gave himself a “Doctorate of Scientology” degree, from the Sequoia University. In the book “All About Radiation” Hubbard calls himself a nuclear physicist, despite the fact that he never finished his studies. This has been retconned in his official biography to state that he attended the first class in nuclear physics at George Washington University but dropped out to explore life. Also Hubbard has written that he is a man, just like anybody else. As well there are a series of booklets devoted to Hubbard’s life, called “The Ron Series”. “Ron the Philosopher,” “Ron the Explorer,” “Ron the Writer,” etc.

References: "All About Radiation"; "The Ron Series"; "The Truth About L. Ron Hubbard"

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Film: Dodd performs a wedding ceremony.
Reality: Hubbard performed numerous Scientology wedding ceremonies in his days.

References: Scientology wedding ceremony

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Film: Dodd’s wife, Peggy, was originally named “Mary Sue” in the screenplay.
Reality: Mary Sue Hubbard was married to LRH for 34 years.

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Film: Dodd has two children from previous marriage(s); a son, Val, and a daughter, Elizabeth.
Reality: Hubbard had three children before he wed Mary Sue. L. Ron Hubbard Jr. and Katherine May Hubbard with Margaret Grubb. Alexis Hubbard with Sara Northrup.

References: "Bare-Faced Messiah"; "A Piece of Blue Sky"

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Film: Dodd gives a wedding toast and references a “cycle, like life. Birth, excitement, growth, decay, death.”
Reality: In Scientology, the basic cycle of life is “Create, survive, destroy.”

Reference: "Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought"

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Film: During his wedding toast, Dodd deviates into an analogy involving taming a dragon.
Reality: Often in his recorded lectures, Hubbard would give humorous analogies involving fantasy and sci-fi elements.

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Film: Peggy talks about Dodd spending too much time defending himself from attacks.
Reality: Hubbard had made many references to attacks against Scientology by the AMA, APA, FBI, IRS, etc.

Reference: Wikipedia

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Film: Peggy emphasizes “ex-wives” when listing Dodd’s attackers.
Reality: In a 1967 interview, Hubbard denied having a “second wife,” referring to Sara Northrup. Hubbard wed Sara while he was still married to Margaret Grubb. Both marriages ended in divorce. Hubbard and Northrup had a daughter, whom he later disowned.

References: Interview "The Shrinking World of L. Ron Hubbard"; "Bare-Faced Messiah"; "A Piece of Blue Sky"

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Film: Dodd is writing “Book Two”.
Reality: “Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health” is commonly referred to as “Book One”. But his second book, “Science of Survival,” is never called “Book Two”.

Reference: "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health"

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Film: The Cause’s form of counseling is referred to as “Time Hole work.”
Reality: Scientology counseling revolves around locating painful memories on your “Time Track” or “Whole Track”. (Formula: Time + Whole - W)

References: Scientology website; Scientology glossary

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Film: “Time Hole work” is done with the patient reclined and eyes closed, with the counselor sitting upright. The counselor guides the patient through the incident as if it were happening currently. (“How are you feeling? What do you hear?”) The patient speaks in present tense, “She’s saying…”
Reality: Early Dianetics counseling had the patient (“preclear”) either sitting or reclining with their eyes closed and the counselor (“auditor”) sitting upright. The auditor guides the preclear through the incident as if it were happening currently. (“What do you hear? See? Etc.”) The preclear speaks in present tense, “She’s saying…”

Reference: "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health"; "How to Use Dianetics"

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Film: A chalkboard shows a circular diagram, with phrases “This life,” “Pre-birth,” “Cellular level,” “Conception” and “Previous life.”
Reality: Dianetics (Book One) goes in detail about finding pre-birth incidents and casually mentions “cellular level” and “past life” incidents. A later book (“Scientology: A History of Man”) goes in depth on these latter concepts.

Reference: "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health"; “Scientology: A History of Man”

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Film: While watching someone run a pre-birth incident, Peggy tells Freddie that “we record everything” and indicates her pregnant belly. She continues, “through all lifetimes.”
Reality: In Dianetics (Book One) Hubbard talks at length about the “reactive mind” recording all experiences, even while in the womb. And the reactive mind records all past lives.

Reference: "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health"

TV's Frink said:

RicOlie_2 said:

If you were forced to keep your little feud contained in PMs, it would die off.

 Off topic don't work that way.

TV's Frink said:

And lumping you in with Hitler is particularly fucked up.

 It's apropos more or less, my great-great-grandfather was named Adolph.

TV's Frink said:We all know your phone is permanently set to Fappy Bird.

 Fixed.

Thanks. It's pretty messed up and I've been fucked up all day, but I guess I knew this was going to happen at some point.

Here, let's all listen to Tool sing a song about L. Ron Hubbard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtJ2f8_lfn4

He had a lot to say.
He had a lot of nothing to say.
We'll miss him. We'll miss him. 
We're gonna miss him. We're gonna miss him.

So long.
We wish you well.
You told us how you weren't afraid to die.
Well then, so long.
Don't cry
Or feel too down.
Not all martyrs see divinity,
But at least you tried.

Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice that was strong and loud.
We'll miss him. We'll miss him.
Ranting and pointing his finger,
At everything but his heart.
We'll miss him. We'll miss him.
We're gonna miss him. We're gonna miss him.

No way to recall,
What it was that you had said to me,
Like I care at all.

But it was so loud.
You sure could yell.
You took a stand on every little thing.
And so loud.

Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice that was strong and loud and I
Swallowed his facade cause I'm so
Eager to identify with
Someone above the ground, 
Someone who seemed to feel the same,
Someone prepared to lead the way, 
Someone who would die for me.

Will you? Will you now?
Would you die for me?
Don't you fuckin lie.
Don't you step out of line.

Don't you step out of line.
Don't you step out of line.
Don't you fuckin lie.

You claimed all this time that you would die for me,
Why then are you so surprised when you hear your own eulogy?

He had a lot to say.
He had a lot of nothing to say.
He had a lot to say.
He had a lot of nothing to say.

Come down.
Get off your fucking cross.
We need the fucking space
To nail the next fool martyr.

To ascend you must die.
You must be crucified.
For your sins and your lies.
Goodbye.

Don't you wish you could be a California gurl?

Oakland, CA. For most of January it was bright and sunny. Sometimes the clouds would cover up the sun. We had 3 days of rain last weekend and it's been a little cloudy the past couple days.