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#1427216
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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axlanian said:

https://vimeo.com/544409972
https://vimeo.com/544410005
https://vimeo.com/544410033 <— This is the fast one

Could 3P0’s line in the first video begin as soon as the scene cuts from Finn to the trooper? The initial silence of the transition is awkward, like something has clearly been cut. Maybe rework the trooper’s response to compensate, or take the time for 3P0’s line delivery to be slower and more natural.

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#1427003
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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sherlockpotter said:

Alrighty, Dagger discovery scene! The last time I tried to edit this clip, there was some concern that 3PO would know that this Sith artifact is the one they’re after. So I did a bit more dialogue tinkerage - now he thinks that “this must be the clue Master Luke was looking for.”

https://streamable.com/iy6dpe

There might be some subtle sync issues with the echoes in the cave, but I didn’t really notice until I muted the center channel and cranked the volume up, so I think it will be okay?

(You know, whether or not the other Dagger Vision components can be figured out, I do think that this scene and the new Jannah scene really help to smooth over some of the internal logic of the film. At least, that’s my impression.)

I like this a lot. The theatrical version felt almost like a parody, “what do you know, this random knife says exactly where the wayfinder is!” Just saying “this is the clue” is much better, and the quality sounds believably fine as far as I can tell.

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#1424680
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Brewzter said:

natestarwarsfan122 said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

sherlockpotter said:

Hey Hal, are you interested in using RogueLeader’s ideas for Kijimi in Ascendant too? About having it be mid-Civil War with people fighting stormtroopers off in the distance?

(Slight deviation from the Dagger discussions, I know.)

I would be interested in some spray paintings of Luke Skywalker on the walls.

Side note: I cannot get over the fact that the official canon explanation for why nobody came to help on Crait was that the First Order cut communication lines. Like, bruh. The whole point of the movie is that everyone was hopeless until Luke shows up.

It’s actually explained well in the book Resistance Reborn by Delilah S Dawson. It seems dumb when randomly referenced in the novelization, but has a lot of emotional implications for Poe, that ROS evidently ignored.

Do you remember when it was in the book? I don’t remember that part and don’t have time to go back and reread the entire thing lol

It’s the overall main plot of the book. The First Order had been capturing the biggest Resistance allies as political prisoners in a wide-scale organized attack, including some notable names from previous books by other authors, and so Poe & Finn go to rescue them on Corellia while the main Resistance hides out on Ryloth and another team acquires new ships from the junkyard planet in Jedi Fallen Order.

It was actually kind of fun with characters from other canon EU stuff (Battlefront 2, Jedi Fallen Order, Bloodline, Aftermath), all coming together to prepare for the final movie (too bad about that, lol).

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#1423338
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Coming into this current discussion late, but was the “heads up” at the beginning of these clips always there? Because it sounds clearly added in post, and also… doesn’t make sense with the visual? We hear Poe (I think?) say “heads up,” but then he and the rest of the cast spin around in sudden surprise, like they all just hear the horse hooves at the same time and nobody actually said “heads up” in the scene because nobody was keeping watch.

Probably not worth doing anything about, especially if it’s been there since the theater and I never noticed it, but these clips all starting with that moment just made it stick out to me.

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#1421323
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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oojason said:

Part Two of the Deleted Scenes for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is now out!
 

Ooh, even more appropriate for this setting. Your video will make a fine addition to my collection.

Happy April Fools everyone, btw. The joke is that this thread has 11k replies and we’ll still probably debate the Mustafar scene again at some point. 😛

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#1420814
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A Batman v Superman Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Alright, here’s a “radical redux” idea:

Re-contextualize the senate stuff to be about the Black Zero event instead of Africa. Several edits have done this before. But then, move the entire Senate subplot to sooner in the movie, and push everything else back.

Black Zero flashback, the Wallace stuff, all of Lex and the Senator’s interactions, and a heavily edited version of the Africa scene that’s basically just Clark saving Lois on some adventure, all happens before Superman goes to appear before the capitol and the bomb goes off. Oh, and a little bit of Lois investigating her bullet from Africa, like getting a flight to DC from Perry and sending it to the lab.

During the bombing, Superman helps victims and looks sad at Lois, but don’t show him in the fire or fleeing the scene. Edit out any scenes with Mercy in the capitol. Lois tries to console Superman over his failure to see the bomb in an edited version of their hotel scene (he doesn’t say he wasn’t looking, obviously). Oh yeah… and remove implications that Lex was the one responsible, like the piss jar. Wallace should seem like the actual bomber, making a violent statement on Superman’s inability to save people.

After that, all the rest of the movie that’s still able to happen, happens, but now with new and somewhat more logical context. Lex only begins getting into Zod’s ship and importing kryptonite now that the person who was stopping him happens to be dead. Bruce only begins violently hunting for Lex’s kryptonite after being impacting by Wallace’s actions (Alfred’s “turns good men cruel” line takes a dark new context, huh?). Superman keeps trying to be Superman, occasionally saving people and mostly focusing on the violent turn the Batman has recently taken, but he’s very depressed the whole time and is having an existential crisis, which is actually understandable now given his failure at the capitol. And Lois is still investigating the bullet after learning that it’s a Lexcorp metal, which of course ultimately results in the big reveal and her solving the mystery that Lex was actually behind everything all along. And, as an incredibly minor “bonus,” Diana Prince can make her first appearance in Gotham after the events in DC have already occurred; Diana lived in DC in WW84, so perhaps the incredibly loose chronological audience interpretation could be that Lex swiped her photo while he was there and she has now followed him back.

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#1420800
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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If you’re interested in extra-canon context for your decision Hal, and forgive me if someone else mentioned this it previously and I missed it:

In an early set of leaks for the movie, the rest of which were ultimately confirmed to be true at various points of production, Lando explicitly was on Pasaana all this time, but not for the wayfinder. Jannah was planned to be his daughter, taken from him by the First Order on Pasaana, and he never left because he never found her.

Personally I’m fine with or without the line.

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#1420795
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Jar Jar Bricks said:

With the line removed, it is heavily suggested that Lando has pulled a Luke Skywalker over the past 20 years and has given up on everything. He is rotting away on a desert planet, and hasn’t left it since he was with Luke.

I didn’t get that implication at all in the movie. Luke was clearly very dour, but nothing about the way Lando acts in his scene implies he’s “given up” or “rotting.” If anything he’s pretty jovial. Maybe he stayed on Pasaana because he kept looking for the wayfinder, or maybe he hasn’t been on Pasaana this whole time and just comes back occasionally. Heck, maybe he’s there to party at the festival.

The “transmission” line does help take some of the coincidence out of the meeting, and I don’t think its existence contradicts with the previous movies (TLJ specifically mentions the Resistance has “allies” not present in the movie, and Snap is not in TLJ but is in TFA and TROS), but removing it doesn’t damage Lando’s character if Hal wants to remove it.

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#1420775
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Superman: Son of Krypton - Another Man of Steel Edit (Released)
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Disclaimer: I came up with the title a while ago without knowing about krausfadr’s, so sorry about that!

Hey all, this is a fan edit I made last year that made for Man of Steel, back when the Justice League Snyder Cut was announced. I got it to a “finished” state, but the final product was still rough; partially due to lack of experience, partially due to being too extreme with some changes and causing visual/audio continuity issues, and partially due to the fact that I’ve since lost the files. It was fun, but I was okay with keeping it in my folder alone.

Now that the Snyder Cut is out though, and surprisingly has a good enough movie within it that a fan edit would be a worthwhile endeavor, I wanted to share my Man of Steel edit. It’s still in the state it was, but with other people eagerly working on DC edits of their own, I felt like sharing on the very off-chance that it gives someone more talented any ideas.

Like many people, I tried to broadly remove or tone-down a lot of “Snyder-isms” in this edit. Clark acting vindictive, Pa acting selfish and cowardly, some more graphic scenes of violence, and instances where Superman and the military cause mass destruction. I didn’t make a proper change list at the time, so forgive me if it’s incomplete, but here’s some stuff I remembered skimming through it again:

  • New opening with the animated DC Superhero logo/montage that later movies used, ripped straight from Wonder Woman specifically. Partially just because I like it, partially for more immediate continuity with the later movies (were I to make a BvS edit it would start the same).
  • Title appears early, following Kal-El’s birth. Doesn’t look great or roll off the tongue well, but it just seemed like a natural place for it at the time.
  • Shortened Jor-el climbing out of the “gene pool,” cutting the laughable shot where he carelessly smacks the priceless Kryptonian monkey skull onto the ground
  • Shortened Jor-el’s Attack of the Clones-esque fall from the pool to his dragon
  • Cut Jor-el strange line “a boy child” and shortened the following fight with Zod, as the notion that all Kryptonians are bred for a single purpose is lost when a scientist can wipe the floor with a soldier in martial arts (plus it’s just awkward)
  • Cut Lara’s hesitation in launching the rocket (and possibly in general?). I did this to give her more a little more credit as a world-saving scientist and not just a doting mother, but I kinda regret it because the edit is rough and a mother’s love isn’t a bad thing.
  • Removed Clark stealing clothes, and replaced the licensed song during the scene with quieter music from the movie’s score. I had to edit in some license-free audio of cars to pull it off, just in case you notice the audio sounding a little odd.
  • Removed Pete Ross calling young Clark a “dicksplash” on the bus. Maybe it’s lame and naive of me, but I just don’t think a Superman movie needs weird crudeness like that, and as a bonus the edit now makes it appear that Clark has heard the bus tire get punctured before it actually pops.
  • Pa Kent implies that he and Clark have discussed keeping his powers a secret before, but by moving some audio around he no longer says “maybe let kids drown lol.”
  • Clark doesn’t ruin a trucker’s livelihood by pettily destroying his truck outside a bar.
  • Lois doesn’t mention being in a dick-measuring contest. It wasn’t outside her character, but again, I just wanted to lessen some of the language.
  • Lois doesn’t mention “needing to tinkle.” Wasn’t a language thing, just thought the joke was lame, but in retrospect the edit is too rough to justify it.
  • Idea borrowed from Job Willins’ Man of Tomorrow: Superman’s donning the costume and first flight is moved later in the movie to when he surrenders to the military, after the church scene. Meanwhile, in the flight’s original place, I’ve moved up the scene where Clark returns home to Ma. This makes more sense to me than him going to his dad’s grave before he goes to see his living mom, but it also means references to Lois (a reporter came by today) have been cut from the scene where he talks with Ma. Lois’ investigation scene then comes after this, using an extra visual and voice-over to compensate for the transition (Lois’s voice-over was originally over the end of the flight scene).
  • Tornado scene! Pa Kent no longer commits suicide, nor does Clark knowingly allow him to die. Pa gives Clark the child to take to the bridge and runs back to help others, and implicitly dies when the car is tossed on him. Clark doesn’t realize what has happened until it is too late. Obviously, the present-day follow-up is now edited so that Clark doesn’t say “my father died specifically to keep my secret.” In retrospect, I probably didn’t edit that last part enough, but I was mostly content with the tornado.
  • Cut the General’s line about Zod “about to make a dramatic entrance.” Literally only did that for my friend who irrationally hates the line, lol.
  • “New” scene?! When Lois is publicly exposed as knowing information about Kal-el, Zod’s ship, monitoring earth’s media (we know he controls TVs, at least) now picks up that information. This is done through a combination of stock audio, audio from BvS’s “political pundit” montage, a shot from Clark meeting Zod, a shot from Zod’s backstory, and a slow pan over an image of the ship’s exterior. The purpose of this scene is to more clearly explain to the audience why Faora later insists that Lois Lane must come aboard the ship to be interrogated. Of course, any material in this scene taken from other parts of Man of Steel have been edited out of their original places to the best of my ability.
  • Superman doesn’t talk with the priest at all. He’s in the church before the flashback of the bullies begins, but when it ends he has now made his decision and is suiting up for the flight to Zod. The priest scene was painfully on-the-nose religious symbolism, and is redundant when the flashback already shows Clark’s thought process.
  • Removed Superman posing like a cross as he leaves Zod’s ship to catch Lois’ escape pod, and cut some shots of Zod’s scout ships to speed up pacing.
  • Ma Kent doesn’t tell Zod to “go to hell”
  • Superman’s assault on Zod is less aggressive and doesn’t involve flying through a silo and blowing it up.
  • Destruction of 7-11 is lessened, both for product placement and Superman causing property damage (and probably death).
  • Superman doesn’t taunt Zod/mock Zod’s pain (hurts, doesn’t it?).
  • Removed the Colonel’s line about having experience against Kryptonians. Line makes no sense, he’s never fought one and only just met Superman minutes ago.
  • Throughout Smallville fight, I have cut/shortened as much needless destruction as possible, including military gunning down civilian cars, the military plane crash vaporizing an entire street, Superman throwing himself into buildings, Superman blowing up a trainyard, and the entire IHOP scene. Regrettably went too far at the end by cutting the villain throwing a train car into Sears, as Sears gets blown up by missiles anyway and now there’s a continuity error with the train car. Oh, and the painful Sears product placement as Superman leaves at the end is gone now.
  • Throughout Metropolis destruction and fight, have made similar edits to Smallville. Less USA military planes carelessly destroying their own city, less Superman destroying buildings needlessly, Faora’s assault on the plane is less graphic, and there is a bit less “9-11 imagery” with Jenny & Perry.
  • Superman and Lois don’t kiss or crack jokes on ground zero. They appear to almost kiss (could interpret it as relief rather than ill-timed romance), but are interrupted by Zod.
  • When Superman crashes Zod head-first into the train station, the impact is now implied to have killed him (added a louder “boom” on impact), completely cutting the prolonged head-snap scene. This is possibly the roughest part of the movie, both anti-climactic and making it odd that Lois got there so fast, and is the biggest reason I didn’t bother posting this edit before. If I ever try my hand at this movie again I’ll do something different.
  • Superman crashing the drone scene is cut.
  • Idea form Job Willins’ Man of Tomorrow: incorporate Superman heroics montage from Batman v Superman into the ending, adjusting the score/speed of the credits as needed. Obviously in a theoretical BvS edit I would no longer have that scene in one of the two movies.

Well, I think that’s it, though there may be small things I forgot. If you want the link, ask and you’ll receive.

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#1420713
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Worst Edit Ideas
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Eyepainter said:

Add Palpatine’s “Power! Unlimited Power!” line from ROTS to the end of ROTJ when he’s zapping Luke.

Add it to every single time he uses lightning in the saga. Vs Windu, vs Yoda, vs Luke, vs the Resistance fleet, vs Rey. Oh, and when his hands crackle in the opening of TROS, he whispers it in hushed tones.

Then do the same for Rey when she accidentally uses lightning in TROS, by chopping up Daisy Ridley voice clips from various sources. Rey will be confused why she instinctively said that phrase in that way, but keen-minded audience members who are familiar with the previous movies will recognize it as a subtle clue to the later reveal.

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#1420690
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Zack Snyder's Justice League: Redux Ideas thread
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Icecream2448 said:

I felt the music that plays in the theatrical when The Flash realizes Superman can see him out of the corner of his eye was better. It was weirdly silent in the Snyder Cut and kinda sucked the comedy out of the little bit (it should be funny, Flash makes a funny face realizing).
Maybe I’m just used to the music cue selling the little sequence in the theatrical, and it’s not actually that good from an unbiased perspective, but I dunno. I definitely prefer it over the almost no music version that plays in the Snyder Cut.

I absolutely agree, and my friends and I expressed that same sentiment out loud while watching it for the first time. Incorporating that music or a similar cue for comedic effect while having it flow well with the rest of the scene (Zack’s is longer than Whedon’s) could be difficult, but I think worth trying. Maybe even just a single dramatic deep note, the one from the moment Superman sees Flash, would work tossed into the existing Snyder score.

Also, if anyone is good enough with audio to reduce the [ancient lamentations] that are over-used and horribly out of place in Diana’s fight scenes, any amount would be an improvement. If the terrorist battle is cut, maybe part of the Wonder Woman theme from that scene could be reincorporated elsewhere. Of course, this all comes down to how well the audio tracks are divided up in the eventual home release of this thing.

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#1420688
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Zack Snyder's Justice League: Redux Ideas thread
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I’d definitely keep the Superman vs the League fight. It doesn’t matter for the story, but it’s one of the biggest draws for superhero team-ups: seeing “who-would-beat-who” and “how do these two things interact” sort of playground-discussion comic book fan stuff. Flash realizing Superman can see and keep up with him was easily the most fun part of the theatrical cut and is still one of the best moments in the Snyder cut.

If there’s anything to bring over from the theatrical version, the one thing I think absolutely should be brought over is Whedon’s version of the scene where Flash gives Wonder Woman her sword in the tunnel fight. In the theatrical cut, there is a parademon right behind Diana as she’s falling, about to catch her, and because Flash taps her sword into her hand she is then able to quickly spin around in mid-air and slice the demon. It’s a fun and exciting bit of action showing the team work together. In Snyder’s version, however, the parademon is inexplicably missing from that shot, so Flash’s sword-tap accomplishes nothing (if Diana didn’t catch the sword, she’d just pick it up of the ground when she landed) except for knocking the wind out of himself when he reaches the bottom.

The only problem here is that the theatrical is 16:9 while Snyder’s is 4:3, but my ideal version of this movie would be edited to be 16:9 anyway.

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#1418499
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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DominicCobb said:

Neerb said:

This might seem kinda needless, but there’s something else I think might be worth touching in that scene.

After Rey says “I don’t want to go without your blessing, but I will,” we get a reaction shot of Leia look up at her. I think that shot would be better as the very last shot of the scene, after Rey says “It’s what you would do.” I think that better sells that Leia/Carrie is actually there reacting to Rey/Daisy, and that Rey’s words are why Leia returns the saber in the next scene.

I’ve tried this before. It works decently, though I’m still not sure if I’m going to do it.

Is there a particular issue that makes you unsure?

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#1418495
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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This might seem kinda needless, but there’s something else I think might be worth touching in that scene.

After Rey says “I don’t want to go without your blessing, but I will,” we get a reaction shot of Leia look up at her. I think that shot would be better as the very last shot of the scene, after Rey says “It’s what you would do.” I think that better sells that Leia/Carrie is actually there reacting to Rey/Daisy, and that Rey’s words are why Leia returns the saber in the next scene.

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#1415902
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I think “It was fear that kept me here” is better where it is than replacing it with “lesson three.” Fear did keep Luke there, after all. Fear that the Jedi have done more damage than good and need to die out (at the height of their power the Jedi created Darth Vader), fear of facing those he had failed (admitted as shame in the Ben flashbacks), fear of his own creations (it didn’t scare him enough then, it does now). His belief that his self-exile is a penance and a self-sacrifice for the greater good means it’s not exactly “cowardice,” but it all still comes from a dark place of fear, from a certain point of view.