Nanner Split

Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
The problem is that filmmakers have, on the whole, lost the distinction between "Kids" films and "Family" films. Examples include The Wizard of Oz, most of the Classic Disney films, Superman: The Movie, Star Wars, Pixar films, Harry Potter, Robin Hood (Errol Flynn) ... those are all great examples of Family films. They have a universal appeal to all ages. They are funny at points, scary at others, and speak to the kid in all of us.

Then there are Kids films. Without making value judgements between good and bad ones, examples include Winnie the Pooh, Jimmy Neutron, The Land Before Time, Curious George, and most of the Disney films since Katzenberg's departure. Most of these appeal to the developing mind exclusively, which is why they hold little interest for adults (except where adults get to chaperone little kids to see them). Lots of them are junk food for the developing mind which is why so many of them get railed on by grown-ups.

Lucas made the mistake of trying to turn what should have been a great Family film into some kind of dumbed-down Kids film with lightsaber battles. Beyond that, he severely miscast his leading role of Anakin Skywalker with one of the worst child actors since the kid who played in Son of Frankenstein.

Ep II and III were not Family films either. The violence was ratcheted up from Ep I and therefore they required a greater level of maturity from the viewer. I'd let a five year old watch the OT and Ep I. I don't think II is really appropriate for anybody under 8 and III is probably not appropriate for anybody under 10.

Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones

I've never heard bad Enya.

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Well, as long as we're on the topic of posters, I know that a lot of people have expressed their affinity for the SE posters. And I agree that they're good-looking posters, but they, as well as the '04 covers, have the same thing going on: they represent the three movies visually as a trilogy. And, yeah, it sounds good when I put it that way, but it doesn't honor them as individual movies. For example, think of the original poster artwork. Each movie had the main cast in the look and situations they would be in that movie. Also, since they're right here, take a gander at the prequel posters. Each one has the main cast of the movie in an image that reflects the movie. Now look at the '97 and '04 artwork. For Star Wars, both have the main cast of Luke, Han, Leia, and Obi-Wan. All is good. But then you get to the sequels, and it seems like they feel compelled to use all the new characters and all the characters that weren't pictured previously. Neither ESB cover has any of the three main stars on it. Can you imagine a movie poster for any movie that emphasizes the cast but doesn't feature the stars of the movie? And while I don't mind the '04 covers as much as most of you here seem to, I have to admit that the ESB cover has a particularly weird assortment of characters: Vader, Lando, and Yoda? Granted they're all major characters, but if you hadn't seen these movies before, you'd think that the star of ESB was Vader, and that he has a whole new cast of adversaries to fight against. I just felt that's something I wanted to add to this discussion.

Originally posted by: Mike O



Damn straight . One shall stand, one shall fall.

Originally posted by: MJR80
I'm unsure on how many of you are familiar with the video games Knights of the Old Republic I and II, however, the story of the first, in my opinion, is a work of genius. I never saw the plot twist coming at all. If you are unfamiliar with the storyline of the first game, here's a summery: You play an outcast with little-to-nothing to remember your past. You have, however, some dreams of memories and the like. You find out quickly that it's been ten years since a dark lord, Revan, has waged war on the galaxy (his apprentice, Malak, has taken his place since then). Revan since disappeared and was never seen or heard from again. After several side adventures, and towards the end of the story, you find out that you are Revan, although Revan is dead. You get to chose your destiny (i.e. Light or Dark Side).

The question is, with some obvious alternations and the like, do you think this premise would have worked for the Prequel Trilogy (with Anakin as the character with an unknown past, but exceptional Force skills; unknowingly to himself and everyone else that he was a dark lord from the past who forgot his past)? Obviously whoever he was as the dark lord before he was turned back to Anakin would be dead;however, after finding out that he was the war lord that he has been hunting (either on his own, or from Palpatine) would probably push anyone into self-hatred, thus, after many side plots, Darth Vader is born...

What do you guys think?

Originally posted by: JediSage


Yes, I head this and was shocked.

If Lucas were to keep up the O-OT in the same quality he is keeping his updated versions, then wouldn't you guys be all good with whatever he wanted to do with his updated versions?

I feel like I'm watching a book burning in Salem while I'm tied to a dunking torture device.

Since when were there book burnings in Salem? Were the Puritans also Nazis or something?

Tomatometer Scores for Original Trilogy During Original Release Dates:
31% - Return of the Jedi
52% - The Empire Strikes Back
79% - Star Wars
Average Tomatometer: 54%

2. CASABLANCA (1942)

3. THE GODFATHER (1972)

6. THE WIZARD OF OZ (1939)

11. IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946)

13. THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI (1957)

14. SOME LIKE IT HOT (1959)

15. STAR WARS (1977)

18. PSYCHO (1960)

20. ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST (1975)

Originally posted by: TheCassidy


Didn't ruffle my feathers, man. I'm just pointing out that there has always been bad movies, no one remembers them.

Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
I HAVE HAD IT WITH THIS MOTHERFUCKING TROLL ON THIS MOTHERFUCKING FORUM!!!!

GET THE FUCK OFF THESE BOARDS GO MER!!! I AM SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF YOUR GODDAMN BULLSHIT!!! WE EXPLAIN WHY WE WON'T SHOW OUR KIDS THE PREQUELS, AND YOU HAVE TO DEFEND AND DEFEND AND YAP ABOUT THEM LIKE THIS IS A PREQUEL TRILOGY SITE. WELL GUESS WHAT? IT'S NOT!!!! ALL THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT ABOUT "LET EVERYONE CHOOSE HOW THEY LIKE MOVIES" IS RETARTED, AND AGAINST THE POINT. WE WANT TO SHOW OUR KDIS QUALITY ENTERTAINMENT, AND EXPOSING THEM TO THE PREQUELS GIVES THEM A FALSE VIEW OF WHAT QUALITY ENTERTAINMENT. AND I KNOW DAMN WELL THIS IS NOT YOUR VIEWPOINT, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO KEEP SAYING IT. WE GET IT, SO PLEASE, LET US CHAT ON HERE WITHOUT YOUR CONSTANT INTURRUPTION THAT SHOOTS DOWN ALL OUR OPINIONS SO GET OFF THESE BOARDS YOU GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKER.

To everyone else....please excuse my language.

Cool it, Darth_Evil. You're a cool kid, but there's nothing to get that worked up about.


And another thing:

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I'm being retarded?

"Quality" is a point of veiw Darth_Evil.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Wide eyed imaginative, youthful people would have had a much more open mind for the prequels. They would have been able to imagine their way around the plot holes like they did the classic trilogy, and they would be able to roll along with the less than perfect acting writing or directing.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
He doesn't care about the people who don't like what he's doing.

He still remembers the fans who made him what he is today, he just doesn't put much stock in the ones who turned their back on him since ESB or ROTJ. To him they are in the same pile he put the people who said the O-OT sucked.

But he loves his fans.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Here is how I watch the saga at the moment.

1 The Phantom Menace.
2 Battlefront: Battle of Naboo on X-Box.
3 Racer's Revenge on the Playstation 2.
4 Bounty Hunter on Gamecube.
5 Attack of the Clones.
6 Battlefront-Geonosis Battle on X-Box.
7 Clone Wars Volume 1.
8 Republic Commando on X-Box.
9 Clone Wars Volume 2.
10 Revenge of the Sith.
11 1st level of Dark Forces PC (Where you steal the Death Star plans).
12 A New Hope.
13 Rogue Leader-Battle of Yavin and Hoth on Gamecube.
14 The Empire Strikes Back.
15 Shadows of the Empire on Nintendo 64
16 The Return of the Jedi.
17 Battlefront-Battle of Endor on X-Box.
18 Rogue Leader-Battle of Endor on Gamecube.
19 The Star Wars Holiday Special.