Moth3r

Finding out who the real person is controlling a sock can be a real "holy shit!" moment sometimes.

Thanks.

Question: what's the difference between all the Pioneer Reference discs shown on this page? (And how come the only one in stock is more than twice the price of all the others? :-/ ) 

Stamper said:

I DL the russian hdtv, what is the best format to reencode 1080i to progressive, 720p or 1080p? I assume 720p as 1080i to 1080p would just add extra size.

From Russia, would it be 1080i50? If so, it can be converted to 1080p25 with no loss and at the same size.

If it's 1080i60 hard-telecined then it can be converted to 1080p24 by applying IVTC (and the file size would end up smaller - hard-telecined 3:2 pulldown has repeated fields so not very efficient).

No need to downscale to 720p.

I agree with AntcuFaalb, you should capture YUY2 (4:2:2) - interlaced YV12 can be the source of all sorts of confusion.

Also if it's film-based material you are archiving then carrying out an IVTC and encoding as progressive YV12 would be more efficient.

AntcuFaalb said:

Moth3r: If you have the time, can you post a PNG of the Snell & Wilcox Zone Plate captured with your BT878 via s-video? (I can supply an m2v if you'd like...)

I'm interested in the resolution and chroma frequency response of the BT878.

Maybe one day, but my old BT878 card is boxed up somewhere in the garage; I have the SAA7231-based card installed at the moment.

I have the PAL version of DVE which I think has the Snell & Wilcox plate on it.

Now this is interesting - I just checked the old FLAiR laserdisc rip, and while it has Baby Herman's extended finger, it doesn't have Betty's Boobs.

Didn't realise that TooT actually averages the two closest captures. When I did some tests a while ago, I found that while a median function is best at removing dropouts, an average function is better at smooth over dot crawl.

Here is g-force's "pure" median function for three clips :

Function Median1(clip input_1, clip input_2, clip input_3, string "chroma")
{# median of 3 clips from Helpers.avs by G-force

chroma = default(chroma,"process") #default is "process". Alternates: "copy first" or "copy second"

Interleave(input_1,input_2,input_3)
chroma == "process" ? Clense(reduceflicker=false) : Clense(reduceflicker=false,grey=true)
SelectEvery(3,1)

chroma == "copy first" ? last.MergeChroma(input_1) : chroma == "copy second" ? last.MergeChroma(input_2) : last

Return(last)
}

captainsolo said:

Why has the thread gone italic crazy?

Because bkev broke the page.

Fixed.

Bump after thread merge.

Doctor M said:

I've found several other HDTV releases around the net.  Has anyone checked them for edits?

I've now found:

Qui veut la peau de Roger Rabbit (the one we're talking about).  1080p that fits on a DVD5 (eek). Full frame.

NeoLight 1080i - MKV still @ 25fps.  DVD9 sized.  (Widescreen)

DON 720p - Converted from NeoLight release and synced to DTS DVD track @ 23.976.  DVD5 sized. (Widescreen)

Saw something about a DiC release but never found it.  No particulars except the quality and light levels are worse.

Also a couple of Russian HDTV 1080i torrents are around too but don't ask me to figure out what's on them.

Edit: Oh, and a 720p from HDBRiSe

 

@SilverWook - what was in the short (and which short)?

HDBRiSe is censored.

Is Betty Boop's nipple slip in the French HDTV version?

Kingherb said:

We need a STAR WARS De-Myspleen edition or maybe a topic just for mypleen invites :)

Lowered black level and increased contrast, colour saturation reduced slightly, cropped and resized:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/cyx4gp

Despite all the funky stuff going on, this looks quite nice (keep in mind this is a compressed version). 

Mainly interested in anything showing comb filter performance & dot crawl (e.g. colour bars), and resolution (e.g. multiburst).

Jay said:

I disabled search. As everyone knows, it's terrible anyway. Just use Google for now.

khkgkhkg said:

The only NZB I found was encrypted, 

Look in the NFO for the password.

althor1138 said:

Here is a 10 minute clip of the beginning of side 1.  There's been no processing other than using toot and ivtc.

Thoughts?

Is this one continuous capture or spliced together from separate files? Because there is a sudden change in the border on the right hand side at frame 3923-3924 (end of the overhead flyby shot). Maybe it's on the LD like that.

The bottom border jumps up and down by 1 pixel occasionally, too.

Don't know if it's your capture settings or the disc (or Vimeo), but it's all fairly washed out. Strange that you've actually got two levels of black - that of the black bars and that of the active image itself.

(frame 1089: 00:45.420)

If it was me, I'd set the black level to that of the active image, and increase the white level by a touch as well.

Colours are nice and saturated, though - possibly even over saturated. Little bit of dot crawl evident.

More thoughts to follow.

poita said:

If anyone is interested I can upload some patterns from the Pioneer NTSC and PAL reference discs.

Yes please - http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Laserdisc-players-screenshot-comparison/topic/12907/

One of my favourites is the early '90s trailer for the widescreen collection on VHS: http://youtu.be/mWxb3rmsp_w

I have it on the Die Hard widescreen VHS, but 1) it's a strange field-blended conversion (i.e. PAL format but does not have PAL speedup) and 2) the tape's pretty worn out and has loads of dropouts.

I also have the 2006 individual DVDs trailer as a MOV file, not sure where it came from but it has a Hyperspace watermark.

Edit: This one: http://youtu.be/1Q5kgNqryHY

The MOV is only 15fps and has heavily compressed audio, so quality is about the same as this Youtube version.

PNS? Don't know that one.

Jetrell Fo said:

The link is a little visual of the GGV1069 for NTSC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSGKAPwnOTI

That's not the actual image on the disc! It looks like that is the composite video voltage (IRE) trace from a set of color bars when displayed on an oscilloscope.

althor1138 said:

Here is a 10 minute clip of the beginning of side 1.  There's been no processing other than using toot and ivtc.

Thoughts?

 

PW = OT

I'd like to download to have a closer look, but the option isn't there for some reason.

You may just need to force the correct field order.

Try avisource(...).assumebff().separtatefields() and examine the motion. Does it go backwards at all? If so try avisource(...).assumetff().separatefields().

That's way more complicated than is usually necessary.

Have a look at http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/ShowFiveVersions

Met Kenny Baker a few years ago at a convention less than 2 miles from where I live. Now have a signed photo on my sideboard.

Saw various props and costumes at an exhibition at the National Media Museum in Bradford (then the National Museum of Film and Photography). This would be around 10 years ago, after TPM but before AOTC I think. They had Anakin's pod racer suspended from the ceiling.