Moth3r

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Post: #245851
Topic: Info: 2006 OT DVD/Laserdisc - a comparison...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245851/action/topic#245851
Time: 19-Sep-2006 5:02 AM

It certainly looks like a vertical blur has been applied to the official DVD; there is a noticeable loss of vertical detail when compared with the laserdiscs (both the DC and the PAL laserdiscs). I don't know why this might be the case, perhaps it was done to reduce the effect of IVTC artefacts (e.g. see here)?

I think the DVD could do with some processing to remove video noise/grain, and because it has superior horizontal detail/sharpness the results should look better than any laserdisc transfer, despite the vertical blurring.

That said, there are some scenes in the PAL laserdiscs that are cleaner than the DC and the official DVD - fewer dirt spots/scratches on the print. (I'm thinking of the "flyover" shot as one example.)

Post: #245396
Topic: StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245396/action/topic#245396
Time: 18-Sep-2006 9:12 AM

Please excuse my ignorance, but what is DI?

Post: #245393
Topic: Help Wanted: an MP3 of the 1.0 mono mix from the pre-ANH projects?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245393/action/topic#245393
Time: 18-Sep-2006 8:51 AM

Originally posted by: Mielr
I also noticed that the voices sound sped-up. Was this because it originated from a PAL TV broadcast? Yes. There was an AC3 version I put up that ran at the correct speed (it synched up with Doctor M's NTSC DVD). I can re-upload if there's any interest.

Originally posted by: Bahax
A friend of mine claims that originally, later in the movie after Luke says, "I'm gonna use the Force ..."

The line is "Nothing. I'm alright.", and there is no response from base. Unless you're thinking of something different?

Originally posted by: Bahax
Also, is the mono mix featured on the EditDroid DVD, or any others?

Editdroid version 1 and The Starkiller bootleg. Also the mono mix is available seperately in PAL and NTSC speeds for patching the Moth3r and Doctor M DVDs.

Post: #245101
Topic: Info Wanted: TR47 set audio question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245101/action/topic#245101
Time: 17-Sep-2006 5:05 AM

1. Analogue.

2. Yes, it will.

Post: #244970
Topic: Letterboxed to anamorphic video conversion
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244970/action/topic#244970
Time: 16-Sep-2006 5:16 PM

Use "forced film" mode in the DGIndex pulldown settings?

Post: #244724
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244724/action/topic#244724
Time: 15-Sep-2006 5:21 PM

Originally posted by: Belbucus
...
is there anyway to identify an exact start point relative the video for synch purposes?

When you ripped the AC-3 off the DVD, you will probably have noticed it had a delay value specified.

Now, as far as I know you cannot specify a delay for PCM audio when authoring a DVD. So, if you take into account this delay by either padding the start with silence, or trimming a few milliseconds from the begining of the file, you will end up with audio that will line up with the video without any modification required by the end user.

Post: #244611
Topic: Are the PAL GOUT DVDs upscaled from the NTSC masters?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244611/action/topic#244611
Time: 15-Sep-2006 10:12 AM

Who remembers this shot, posted by Citizen ages ago:

Originally posted by: Citizen
But first a comparison, cropped non-scaled caps of the definitive collection vs the German THX collection:

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLDjaggy2.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLDjaggy4.jpg

Is this the "aliasing" that is being reported on the GOUT version?

Post: #244610
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244610/action/topic#244610
Time: 15-Sep-2006 9:48 AM

A simple calculation shows that 2 hrs (7200 seconds) of uncompressed audio at 1536kbps (16 bit samples at 48000Hz) totals just under 1.4GB.

(or, 1.287GiB if you want to be really pedantic) .

Post: #244597
Topic: Are the PAL GOUT DVDs upscaled from the NTSC masters?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244597/action/topic#244597
Time: 15-Sep-2006 7:19 AM

Originally posted by: Laserman
Is it just me or does the so called 'original' crawl on the PAL GOUT look errm completely new and CG?

LM, what's your opinion on the "grain" in the GOUT version? Present on the master or added during post?

Post: #244583
Topic: Odd PAL to NTSC question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244583/action/topic#244583
Time: 15-Sep-2006 4:36 AM

I'm interested to know what's the quality like? Can you hear any digital "stepping" artefacts in the sound?

Post: #244581
Topic: Stormtrooper with 4 eyes ::( or Stormtrooper showing terrible IVTC/telecine artefacts
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244581/action/topic#244581
Time: 15-Sep-2006 4:01 AM

I'm normally really bad at spotting film defects at normal speed, but I noticed the DVNR "trails" during the Hoth battle.

Post: #244580
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244580/action/topic#244580
Time: 15-Sep-2006 3:57 AM

Originally posted by: Zion

Originally posted by: Moth3r
This is weird. Although the GOUT version has more horizontal detail, it looks like vertical detail has been filtered.
...

I think before we start throwing ideas around llike detail has been lost or they added grain, we need to compare the GOUT to the NTSC Definitive Collection LD, which all versions of the GOUT look to be sourced from. It's one thing to compare it to a PAL transfer or a pre-'93 transfer, and completely another to compare it to the version it actually came from. When I have time tonight or tomarrow I'll post screenshots of a DC capture, unless someone beats me to it. (hint

)

Well we already have screenshots from TR47, Cowclops, DrGonzo, etc... sourced from the NTSC DC laserdiscs. Even they contain more vertical detail than the GOUT version (see R2D2 in Shot 36).

And it's not due to the NTSC->PAL scaling, because the NTSC GOUT version is just as bad.

Post: #244074
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244074/action/topic#244074
Time: 14-Sep-2006 11:22 AM

In before the Boris Bashing starts...

Post: #244043
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244043/action/topic#244043
Time: 14-Sep-2006 10:34 AM

Originally posted by: R2D2
Missing frames for Moth3r and Zion are here:
http://rapidshare.de/files/32986405/pal_update.zip.html

Thanks, I've now uploaded these (link).

This is weird. Although the GOUT version has more horizontal detail, it looks like vertical detail has been filtered. Compare the width of the black line in shot 4:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3729/untitled1copyyc7.jpg

(GOUT - top, Moth3r - bottom. The increase in grain is also evident in this shot.)

So - is this loss of vertical because of the upscaling from NTSC to PAL? Please can somebody grab some comparison frames from the NTSC release?

Post: #243998
Topic: Odd PAL to NTSC question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243998/action/topic#243998
Time: 14-Sep-2006 7:50 AM

That makes more sense - the framerate is now reported as 29.97fps, which is a valid NTSC video stream.

So what's the audio, AC3? I think you should be able to use BeSweet with the -soundtouch parameters to lower the pitch by one semitone, whilst keeping the same length (and thus keeping sync with the video).

Post: #243992
Topic: Odd PAL to NTSC question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243992/action/topic#243992
Time: 14-Sep-2006 7:11 AM

Video with NTSC resolution (720x480) and a PAL framerate (25fps) is not DVD compliant.

I think that Mediainfo is probably reporting duff information. What does Bitrate Viewer say? Or try loading into VirtualDubMod and select File -> File Information.

Post: #243978
Topic: The X-Files - Worth Watching?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243978/action/topic#243978
Time: 14-Sep-2006 4:54 AM

It jumped the shark for me the season that featured a operative in a nuclear power plant called Homer, and a sequence with Mulder - occupying someone else's body - doing some stupid dance in front of a mirror.

But the early seasons are essential sci-fi viewing.

Post: #243603
Topic: So then, PAL or NTSC GOUT for best quality?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243603/action/topic#243603
Time: 13-Sep-2006 10:28 AM

Vigo - I'm surprised you even attempted a response to the scaled interlaced colour palette scanlines post.

boris - please go here and read:
http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/plainenglishguide.html

Post: #243584
Topic: So then, PAL or NTSC GOUT for best quality?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243584/action/topic#243584
Time: 13-Sep-2006 9:37 AM

Originally posted by: boris
Load of techno-bullshit I don't really understand.

Fixed your post for you, boris.

Post: #243578
Topic: Are the PAL GOUT DVDs upscaled from the NTSC masters?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243578/action/topic#243578
Time: 13-Sep-2006 9:20 AM

Hmmm. After spending time at Zion's site, there are some scenes that do look better on the PAL laserdiscs. Try shots 22 and 24.

Post: #243575
Topic: So then, PAL or NTSC GOUT for best quality?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243575/action/topic#243575
Time: 13-Sep-2006 8:48 AM

I'm guessing any difference in picture quality would be negligible (but would appreciate some sceenshots from an owner of the NTSC discs). If you live in a PAL country, you're probably marginally better off getting the PAL discs, as that is what your equipment will primarily be calibrated for.

Has the audio been pitch corrected? I've seen someone else say that it hasn't.

Post: #243567
Topic: Are the PAL GOUT DVDs upscaled from the NTSC masters?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243567/action/topic#243567
Time: 13-Sep-2006 6:13 AM

From a screenshot comparison, it appears that the PAL discs are definitley from the same master used for the NTSC laserdiscs.

However, it does seem that the DVDs do contain more picture detail than my transfers - I think screenshots I'd seen previously had been softened and did not accurately represent the quality of the DVD.

(Which is what you'd expect, as the transfer process:
D1 master -> DVD
is theoretically superior to:
D1 master -> Laserdisc -> Analogue capture -> DVD)

But the transfer process has also reproduced a fair amount of grain and noise. I'm sort of leaning towards processing the GOUT DVD for Moth3r V1.1 rather than a new laserdisc transfer, using a filter chain to remove noise and convert the image to anamorphic.

My ultimate dream for V2.0 would use colour-corrected shots from the 2004 version (which have been cleaned up without that damn ghosting), and only use the GOUT version where necessary. A sort of ultimate classic edition, if you like.

Post: #243562
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243562/action/topic#243562
Time: 13-Sep-2006 4:16 AM

I agree, Zion. The shots posted by R2D2 are sharper than those posted by boris, and they do seem to contain more detail than my laserdisc transfer.

I'll try to get the shots up on my page today.

Edit:

LINK

GOUT shots are now up, except for Nos. 3 and 5. (R2D2, could you possibly provide these please? Also, I think I need the preceding frame for shot 6 - compare the pattern of film dirt with the TR47 version.)

The GOUT version is clearly more detailed than any other version*. It's also evident that the picture contains more grain/noise.

* Edit: But a few scenes do look better on the PAL laserdisc transfers. See shots 22 and 24 on Zion's site.

Post: #243559
Topic: Help: looking for... 1997 Special Edition LD transfer?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243559/action/topic#243559
Time: 13-Sep-2006 3:47 AM

I know the search function is not brilliant on this forum, but if you'd actually taken the time to look, you might have seen this thread that was posted only yesterday.

Post: #243305
Topic: Are the PAL GOUT DVDs upscaled from the NTSC masters?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243305/action/topic#243305
Time: 12-Sep-2006 5:55 PM

Just to be clear, and to prevent any potential problems for Jay: a new laserdisc transfer would be for my own use only, and would not be illegally distributed.