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#287112
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Help: looking for... 1997 SE TB Digital Broadcasts
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/287112/action/topic#287112
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Originally posted by: Number20
Originally posted by: schorman13
I've got the "five star" bootlegs. I believe they have the authentic 5.1 mix (not upmixed) as well as a 2.0 track. I'm out of town until 5/22, but I could put these tracks on demonoid when I return. Is anyone interested?


I really don't know one way or another, but I'm not sure I trust the 5-star very much to be authentic 5.1 mix.
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You're probably right. Getting a direct copy of the Dolby Digital 5.1 track off a laserdisc is not easy - you need specific hardware (a demodulator and a sound card that doesn't resample the SPDIF input). An Asian bootleg outfit is unlikely to go to these extents.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be uploaded, just that it shouldn't be assumed to be the authentic '97 audio. It probably won't sync with the GKar versions straight off the bat, either.
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#286937
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MECO's rare ESB 10" record (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286937/action/topic#286937
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Originally posted by: Mojo_LA
And to those who CAN hear the difference, many audio magazines have done the double blind listening test with compressed and uncompressed sources over and over again and the results are always the same - no one can definitively hear the difference.

If someone can point me to a test which has shown otherwise, I'd really love to see it.
LINK

For a problematic sample of trance music, this person could easily detect the difference in an ABX test between "insane quality" MP3 (320kbps CBR) and the original uncompressed. However, other codecs such as Nero AAC, Ogg, DualStream or Musepack were harder or impossible to distinguish.

EDIT: should probably point out that the test is 3 years old, and that LAME is now several versions older.
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#286863
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Paint Wars: A New Hope
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286863/action/topic#286863
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Originally posted by: corellian77
Just curious... why were both of ZigFried's threads locked? I read the forum rules in the "Edits and Preservation" thread, and it didn't appear as though he violated any of the rules.

Aside from curiosity, I'm also asking to make sure I don't mistakingly make a similar mistake myself at some point in the future. Question No. 13, HERE. Do NOT start a new thread in the forum requesting something, or post a list of DVDs offered for trade. Such threads will be deleted immediately.


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#286827
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Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286827/action/topic#286827
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Originally posted by: Dunedain
Has anyone completed a 448k DD 2.0 version (since the original PCM won't fit within the max overall DVD bit-rate limit on this DVD set) of the Definitive Collection PCM soundtracks sync'd perfectly to the GOUT Star Wars set (with removal of the Lego preview, and foreign language tracks)?
I've made a custom DVD with Belbucus' isolated score (encoded as DD 2.0 256kbps) and NTSC GOUT video re-encoded so it all fits on a single layer disc. All menus, extras and original audio tracks have been removed, chapter points and English subtitle stream retained.

Very cool.
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#286816
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Would like help (tips/tutorials) for my upcoming SW:OUT project
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286816/action/topic#286816
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A multitude of 2-channel to multichannel guides can be found HERE. For film sound, I would steer towards the GraphEdit/DirectX methods because they use Dolby Pro-logic or Pro-logic II processing.

Once you have generated your channels, you can use the new Sound Forge 9 to play around with your multi-channel audio (and then render as AC3). I don't know of any free program that is able to edit multi-channel audio.
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#286808
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MECO's rare ESB 10" record (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286808/action/topic#286808
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Straying off topic, I think the (lossy) compressed/uncompressed debate is interesting.

Obviously if you are doing any audio editing or processing, it makes sense to use the original PCM as a source.

For actual listening, I've seen quite a few members on here who claim they can hear a difference. I can certainly hear the "listening inside an oil drum underwater" type of compression in very low bitrate audio, such as on Youtube videos, but I find any MP3 or AC3 encode with a reasonable bitrate to be transparent. But then, I don't have a hugely expensive hi-fi, and I know my hearing response dips at high frequencies (kids - if you regularly go to nightclubs and value your hearing, wear ear protection, 'k?)

While working on the mono mix, I compared two samples of AC3; one at 448kbps and one at 96kbps. I thought I could percieve a difference - but was that because I knew that sample A was a higher bitrate? (I.e. this wasn't a 'blind' test).

I'm considering doing a blind trial on you lot - it wouldn't "prove" anything because there would be too many variables, but it would be interesting nonetheless. Who's up for that?
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#286667
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A question about NTSC telecine
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286667/action/topic#286667
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei
I guess my next question would be, do the high definition formats get around this problem? I definitely found the flicker a whole lot more noticeable when I checked out the HD-DVD and Blu-ray demos, which led me to believe that it was a true 24p playback. Flicker? I don't really know much about the HD formats, but I believe that the display refresh rate is still 59.94Hz.
For the 1080i format, the output is telecined with 3:2 pulldown as for SD video.
For 720p (and 1080p, I suppose?) a 24fps film would display frames in the sequence 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 4 4 4 and so on.
Either way, the display framerate is 23.976fps.Originally posted by: Arnie.d
So PAL audio is sped up and NTSC audio is actually slowed down? I didn't know that.
Yes, but there is a big difference between a 0.1% slowdown and a 4% speedup.
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#286548
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286548/action/topic#286548
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Originally posted by: adywan
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2. Changed 3P0's line from " there will be no escape for the princess this time" to " there will be no escape this time". Fixes an error when Luke sees the hologram but 3PO has no idea who she is but hasn't had his memory wiped.
Heh, I had thought about this change before (was thinking about changing to "there will be no escape for the captain this time" - setting up the Vader choking Antilles scene).

Or you could believe that 3PO received an instruction to keep Leia's identity secret...
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#286037
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Would like help (tips/tutorials) for my upcoming SW:OUT project
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286037/action/topic#286037
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Originally posted by: Uhfgood
Okay so for Goal #1 - To get the best copy of the movies I can based on the dvds of the original star wars trilogy. -- Essentially what the x0 project is doing with their laserdisc versions. I want to make sure that all the contrast is correct, (stuff like missing stars rediscovered as in one of x0 projects articles), color corrected, and that "ghosting" removed as well as getting rid of the film specs like scratches, dust particles, etc... Basically getting the best quality video I can after messing with the video. Before I can do anythiing else to it I need to be able to make the best copy of the movies I can. Personally I don't think the GOUT DVDs need much contrast or colour correction (unlike the 2004 version), but I'm not a film expert. I think some millennium falcon scenes could do with black level adjustments.

I don't think there's a reliable way to remove the temporal ghosting/smearing. The X0 project are using a capture from the Japanese Special Collection laserdisc (which doesn't have this processing) to replace the worst affected shots.

MeBeJedi is removing scratches and film defects by hand using Combustion. You can see this process here:
http://www.x0project.com/media.php?i=00018
Okay for Goal #2 - To make my own "special edition" version -- Basically here I want to correct things that I thought were problems in the movies, effect wise. I would like to make sure the titles and scroll are stable and not "wobbly" (like when film registration slips a bit)... I want to remove garbage mattes, and correct stuff like the fact that the contrast or brightness level between bluescreen elements and backgrounds are different. I even wouldn't mind coloring "Black artoo" blue. I know it's not original but it's my special edition version. They couldn't do blue because of the blue screen, and now it can be corrected. Anything like semi-transparent matting, matte paintings that don't quite match the live action elements, lightsaber consistancy, even turning on and off the light saber in ANH could be fixed by animation and a little morphing between frames. Basically everything to me that looked like it needed some fix up for effects I want to fix. Obviously i don't want to add any cg, because for one, I can't do cg, for another it wouldn't really be the originals would it? I'd suggest read the following threads, and put these types of question to one of these fine forum members:
Darth Editous
tellan
adywanFinally for Goal #3 - To make the letterbox movies into anamorphic widescreen dvd, and convert the original 2.0 dolby into 5.1 enhanced mix. -- Firstly I know there is a tutorial here that has tips on converting from letterbox into anamorphic widescreen. I realize it involves resizing the width to fit into 720, and cropping or completely redoing the black bars on top and bottom (as the widescreen is even wider than a 16:9 aspect ratio).
The tutorial you're referring to can be found here:
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=12&threadid=6486Also a note about the sound. When I listened to the sound on the dvd's I preferred it to the sound on the "special special editions" or the 2004 dvd versions. Mostly because they seem to remix everything, and it all just sounds slightly different. I would like to take the original dolby surround (or stereo or whatever) and build a 5.1 enhanced mix. This is perhaps the hardest of all, and to some purists the most contreversial. I would just like to make sure there's more bass when I need it, and better stereo seperation. If this can't be done, well i won't do it then.
You're right, this is a controversial subject. You could upmix the matrixed 2-channel Dolby Surround into a "fake" 5.1 mix. IMHO there isn't really a valid reason to do this, I would leave it as it is and just play the audio through a Dolby Pro-logic decoder when watching the DVD. To make a 5.1 mix worthwhile, it would have to be sourced from individual non-matrixed channels, e.g. the 5.1 mix on the 1997 special edition laserdisc.
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#286026
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The Mono Mix Restoration Project (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286026/action/topic#286026
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I've not listened to the whole file yet, just occasional sections.

Obviously, due to the source material for this - television broadcast audio recorded to VHS linear track - it's never going to have the dynamic range or fidelity of the '93 mix. However, from what I've heard so far, Belbucus has done an outstanding job with this. There is a surprisingly strong low-frequency content and any differences in sources used to patch up the damaged sections are inaudible.
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#285877
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The Mono Mix Restoration Project (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/285877/action/topic#285877
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Update: I have the "release candidate" from Belbucus, just need to cut him a test disc for final verification of audio sync before the track is released to the masses.

Assuming all is well, I intend to post the mono mix to a.b.sw as a FLAC file (lossless compression, can be decoded to recover the original PCM for those that want it). I've been doing some trial Dolby Digital encodes, so I can also provide a ready encoded .ac3 file that can be muxed with the video off the official NTSC GOUT to create a custom DVD.
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#285873
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Help: looking for... Belbucus PCM for ANH, ESB, ROTJ
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/285873/action/topic#285873
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Darth Mallwalker hinted that a repost of all Belbucus' audio files might be happening. If it doesn't, I can repost the ones I have:

- ANH '77 original Dolby mix (with 0dB peaks)
- ANH '93 remix
- ESB '93 remix
- ROTJ '93 remix
- ANH iso-score/'93 hybrid
(I don't have the "lowered level" '77 mix).

However, I want to get the mono mix finished first. See other thread for an update.