Monroville

adywan said:

Monroville said:

He even wired up the cockpit interior with fibre optics and stuck a pilot in there!

 

That last comment is really full of innuendos when you read it with that picture above it.

 

You know, that wasn't supposed to be the picture I linked to... (shake's head)

but just TRY sticking THAT into EMPIRE (maybe Luke goes into Yoda's room without knocking and finds the REAL reason why Yoda's a hermit!)

I'm sure someone has no doubt posted it already, but here is another link to check out:
http://www.starwarz.com/

Specifically http://www.starwarz.com/modelshop/make.htm: this guy has tons of STAR WARS models that you may be able to use and save on time and money in construction.  Here are some examples:

adywan said:

Monroville said:

I know this has been beaten to death, but wouldn't it be easier just to remove the horns from the later "inside the cave" shot
and have the wampa keep the 1st image appearance?  Those horns just don't work!

Removing the horns from the later Wampa is not something i want to do. The wampa has always had horns and to me it should do. The horns in the clip you posted screenshots from was in HD and therefore hard to use an SD image to look any good at that res. It was also only a WIP. I might even build a new Wampa head for those shots anyway. It might be easier. lol

 

PLEASE don't do a new head!  If the first shot has to have horns, that's perfectly okay, just please keep that first shot.

Again, I think its fine if they were different wampas of perhaps even different sexes.  Like the female hunts while the male eats at home, like lions, but the horn differences more like the difference between cows and bulls.

I know this has been beaten to death, but wouldn't it be easier just to remove the horns from the later "inside the cave" shot

and have the wampa keep the 1st image appearance?  Those horns just don't work!

Bobocop said:

teharri said:

does anyone know how to rip a dvd menu. I think it would be cool to edit this scene into the movie somehow.

 

Here's a few snippets from the ESB menus that look pretty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etaA9xWsjbU

Jeez, Ady, you could probably use all 3 of these!  Just edit them before the menus appear and they'd fit right in!
Someone mentioned the "asteroid special features" menu screen.  Is there a Youtube link for that one?

doubleofive said:

 

Here is one of our takes on the shuttle:

ImperialFighter did the timing and figured that unless the unfolding process was greatly sped up, it would have to be unfolded at the beginning of the shot.

Don't worry, Adyway has seen all this, and has taken them into consideration.

That's why you would extend the shot and use Computer FX to continue to slowly move the Executor as the Lambda played out.  That way you don't have to mess with the timing of the Lambda unfolding or whatnot.

Also, if the original Needa SD is going to be kept, it needs to be darkened and worked on in a major way to fit with the rest of the shot (notice the difference in light sources between the Executor and sister SD and the brightly lit underbelly of Needa's SD).  You would also need to create a little bit of the area on the upper left (the rear of the hanger), as the SD would continue to slowly move to the right as the shuttle deploys.

Johnny Ringo said:

now considering that each SD is one mile, that makes the Executor a whopping 12 miles long!  Could you imagine being in the nose and having an important message for Vader?  You know, I'm surprised Mel Brooks didn't do something like that in SPACEBALLS....

They did make fun of the size of the ship in SPACEBALLS - several times. [I'm not sure if you were serious]

Well yeah ("We Break For Nobody!"), but I was saying having a scene with someone having to run the whole length of the ship just to get Dark Helmet a diet coke or something.  With the MOD SQUAD theme playing.  The Whole 5 minutes.  Just for Dark Helmet to smack him upside the head and say "You asshole!  I wanted a Pepsi!"

Darth Solo said:

Monroville said:

As you can see, there are 2 docking bays right behind the top 3 engines.

Erm,

;-P

Sorry to lower the tone (i keep forgetting this could also be a kids show here).

Those mock ups with Needas shuttle look really fan-fantastic BTW.

Phil Ken Sebben says: "CAN'T YOU SEE IT?  IT'S RIGHT THERE!  NO, NOT THERE!  THERE!  Darth Solo, you disgust me... and I say that with affection."

"Ha HA!  Is it just me, or does the Executor have a hard on?"

Click on me!  I DARE you!

Ganamae said:

yes it does look like a good alternative for sure, though I would change the ange of the destroyer somehow as it seems to be on a collision course type of movement, not very millitaristic of them :p

Remember the Executor and the fleet are still moving too.  If anything, if both ships are moving in a straight line, Needa's SD is heading towards the space behind the Executor's tail, where it would spin around and follow behind the flag ship.  Also remember that the Executor has a docking bay in the tail section, as seen here (thus, if the shuttle drops down and flys to the center right of the screen, it would be heading towards that tail hanger bay):

As you can see, there are 2 docking bays right behind the top 3 engines.

On a side note, www.theforce.net did their homework.  They concluded that the Executor is roughly 12 SDs in length (one element of measurement used was the conning tower - the regular SDs and the Executor's are the same):



now considering that each SD is one mile, that makes the Executor a whopping 12 miles long!  Could you imagine being in the nose and having an important message for Vader?  You know, I'm surprised Mel Brooks didn't do something like that in SPACEBALLS....

Here is a modified "Needa shuttle" scene using the images above:

-sorry for the jagged edges - I'm on another computer and just have MS paint to work with-

(1) I horizontally flipped the upper SD shuttle shot to differentiate it from the JEDI shot

(2) I flipped the Executor and shrunk it by 40% (this also keeps consistency in previous scenes where fleet was moving right to left thru asteroid sequence)

(3) cloned SD on left of Executor from unmolested shot (so it's a little bit larger than the SD on the left in this final shot) and inserted on right side (to fill in the space as well as indicate the general direction of the fleet).

(4) I also moved the SD on the left further away from the Executor as it was almost ramming it.

(5) also consider having the Executor and 2 background SDs slowly move towards the bottom left, with the star field slowly moving to the upper right, as the foreground SD slowly moves towards the center point of the frame.

(6) also keep in mind the light source: in the original shot, Needa's SD should be in shadow.  At least with the flipped JEDI SD, the left side is lighter than the right, which matches the light source falling on the Executor and sister SDs.

(7) in regards to the shot length, you could probably start the SD with the nose at the center point (as opposed to it coming into frame, passing overhead, THEN the shuttle drops down, etc), show the shuttle - unfold, and move away and then cut 2 or 3 seconds after unfolding.

(8) and in regards to whether Needa should use the prettier Lamda class or the Box class shuttle, well he IS the captain of a mile long Star Destroyer.  I would think that, being that he is going to apologize to Vader in person (thus Vader would wait patiently), he would take his captain's shuttle and try to leave a good impression (as opposed to going the cheap Motel 6 shuttle pod route).  Instead, all he left was a dead body.  HIS OWN!

Changed shot also indicates Needa's cruiser moving towards Executor to prepare him for Vader meeting.

Ziz said:

I always felt that the blue stun rings were done early in ANH production, before the budget and time crunch started to hit.  Once they saw what it cost to do that more than once, they dropped it.

Also remember it's not so much a "stun ring" so much as you are seeing the laser bolt come directly at you and then leave your field of vision.  Remember they had to do it in a way that you could still see what was going on (if they used a solid bolt of blue, the whole picture would be blue and thus unwatchable).

Erikstormtrooper said:

In ANH, the stormtrooper stuns Leia with a blue laser. It could be argued that stun blasts and ion blasts are the same thing.

 

That would kinda make sense, but Rebels have always fired red lasers, so either way is kosher with me (which is why I brought up the green AT-AT thing: yes, the stormtroopers in ANH fired red lasers from their guns, but the big stuff shot green bolts.  Regardless, moot point).

Here are some other things to consider:

FUN WITH STAR DESTROYERS!

(1) in regards to the Executor and Star Destroyers, the SDs definitely need their engines recolored to blue (being that they are white).  Would you consider changing the Executor engine color to blue to match the SD engines (not a big deal, but a question none the less).  Also need more shadow information on these shots:


the SD is directly underneath the Executor and is just as grey as the one on the background.  Again, engines are white not blue as in ANH (as seen below):




Maybe a test pic for altering the Executor engines to blue (SDs still need blue engines though).

Oh yeah, and the MF needs some blue engine work too:

(2) Now THIS needs some work; I noticed earlier you mentioned you are going to replace the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA shuttle with the tri-wing Lambda class from JEDI (definitely a good idea), but as you can see, the SD the shuttle comes from needs some lighting and shadow work - it looks rather flat and model-ly.



In fact, here is a possible replacement for the upper SD shot seen above (you could either push the Executor further away into the background to accomodate the larger SD shot, or you could either shrink the SD foreground shot below to fit the frame better or move it up inside the frame to give more room below for the Executor to be seen):

(3) and I guess this is the shot you were talking about earlier in the talkback (with the disappearing conning tower)?

(4) the SDs need to shoot more laserbolts!  They got a million of those things (or course they would still MISS... unless they're shooting at asteroids)



And more fun stuff:

DF Shadow said:

"I'm not sure if i will do anything about that. After all, with Luke missing almost all of them it does show just how inexperienced he is and that Yoda was right when he said that he wasn't ready to face Vader"

 

^^ Makes sense. Your right, it does work better having him miss...plus its not like we don't get to see a more refined warrior in RoTJ.

I would consider having Luke hit one or two and just get overwhelmed.  I can understand him being a novice and all, but he DID almost lift up the X-wing.  So Ady, consider giving Luke at least one or two connects?

BTW, here are some extra goodies:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/25/DDMH11DRSK.DTL
http://www.thegirlandrhino.com/ (look up AT-AT t-shirt)

(BTW, if anyone can post some pics of the crane and that underpass, that would be fantastic!)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wampa

Hey Ady, maybe you could change the wampas to look like this!

Hello again:

(1) as far as the wobbly Vader helmet in EMPIRE after he chops off Luke's hand, I would lock the helmet down.  Remember earlier they show a machine LOCK his helmet into place when we see the back of his head.  This would mean his "outer helmet" is locked onto the rest of the face mask, which would make it stable and not move in the wind.

(2) the helmets worn by the imperial soldiers in JEDI were worn loosely to begin with, thus would wobble.  I would still consider locking the helmets down, as this further contributes to the "goofy" and  the "look, if you're not going to take this seriously, then I'm outta here" vibe that JEDI gives off so well (which is why JEDI will be a bitch to fix).

SilverWook said:

The Neverending Story has been released on Blu Ray in Europe, so that might present a new opportunity to get that track in better quality?

Where is it? I've looked at amazon.de and amazon france and couldn't find it.

Darth Solo said:

Yeah, membership by personel invite only.

Thats you gone Joshy! And the Worm!

I really dig that second pic Monroville, i aint got that one. (Note: see me in that pic with the other *spit* Royal Guards?).

So which one are you?  Are the one on the left?  I can tell from the bushy eyebrows and the sarcastic look on your face.

Also, there are regular stormtroopers and stormtroopers with regular insignia shoulder pads due to them being in a desert (if you look at the right side of the pic, you can see some sand dunes that the AT-AT in the right background is on).

And the blue laserbolts are being shot AT them, not coming from the troopers themselves.

Bingowings said:

darth_scourge said:

If I took an original Van Gogh, cut it up, rearranged it, painted in some new bits, and then showed it at a gallery, would I be shot down?

 

Um, isn't that what Andy Warhol did for a living?!

I think there will be a way around this; c'mon folks!  If the government couldn't stop BOOZE, they can't stop fan edits.

All those rapidshare files and torrents still exist.  They CAN'T take those down.  It's just that the convenience of knowing where to go to get the links has been disabled.  I think if people want to "take a look at Dr. Zhivago (to quote Clarence Whirley)", we can figure it out.

Still, you have to wonder.  What the hell took them this long to finally close shop?  I mean, the place has been up for at least a few years.  Did someone rat out FanEdit.org?

ladyferry said:

Have you all seen this:

http://jediinsider.com/index.php?catid=255&itemid=11434

Some of the photos could give Adywan some ideas for the Hoth battle, what do you think?

Here are a few more:

http://sleetapawang.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!BD09644C5F6E196D!632.entry
(in regards to slightly altering the AT-STs for EMPIRE and JEDI, check out the window config on the 6th image, shown below.  I never liked the "droopy eye" look of the propped up windows, not to mention its kinda stupid if you have to use a walker in a non-oxygen environment... much less give your enemy a chance to shoot you as you drive the damn thing).

There is a really cool picture of 2 AT-STs attacking the rebel trench on Hoth that I believe was in one of the EMPIRE comic adaptations.  If I can find it, I will post it here.

Awww, aren't they cute?  Hey Ady: I know ROTJ is 2 or 3 (or 4 or 5) years from now, but think we could have some squished ewok under AT-ST foot action (ala 1976 KING KONG during the "escape from the show" scene)?

http://flickr.com/photos/76747220@N00/2245185567
(same thing in regards to the different windows)

Here is an interesting quote from the 1st link:

Origin and design

The AT-ST model used in The Empire Strikes Back was to have more screen time; however, one scene depicting a snowspeeder shooting at the AT-ST model was ruined when the set's background shifted. For Return of the Jedi, ILM made the AT-ST design more detailed. Numerous models were created, including a full-sized AT-ST for on-location shooting.[9] Director Richard Marquand and producer Robert Watts played the AT-ST operators for the scene in which Chewbacca (Peter Mayhew) and a pair of Ewoks commandeer an AT-ST.

Here is the thing:

The lightsabre duels in the OT movies (definitely the first 2) were actually based on Kendo and Aikido, as well as other martial art training.  In fact, if you watch some Shaw Brother films, you can see some of their moves in there.  Now you may consider it boring, but the fact is their movements were based on actual martial art training.

Compare that to the Prequels: sure, you have a LOT of spinning around and twirling of the sabre.  I do like that they had the Jedi occasionally do force jumps (when you think they'd all be able to just plain out FLY, being that a fully trained Jedi could lift an X-Wing without too much effort.  I mean, if you can lift an X-wing, you can lift yourself, right?), but overall Lucas kind of held back on the wiz-bang factor.

I mean, all they can do is force-jump, lift or throw around objects and shoot lightning bolts out their fingertips?  Really?  That's it?  And on top of that, when they fight with their lightsabres, it looks like some rehearsal for a teen band tryout than actual martial art fighting.  It doesn't help that most of the "Jedi" have a vapid look on their faces too.  OR walk right into traps and get themselves killed by weak minded clones.


So, just because there is more sword twirling, how does that make the prequel fights "cooler"?

Not to mention, what does any of this have to do with EMPIRE: REVISITED suggestions?

Ziz said:

Rhikter said:

Yesterday, I was thinking about a complaint I had read some time ago.  Someone was arguing against the elaborately choreographed saber duels in the PT because they were not as passive as the ones in the OT.  This reminded me of a comment about "Artistic License" I made some time ago.

Actually, there's a very simple and logical explanation for the difference in fight styles between the trilogies.

"Real world" - on the OT, they just made it up as they went along and had a basic knowledge of fight styles but didn't worry about making it the "ultimate battle" because the focus was on who the characters were and why they were fighting, not the fight itself.

"In universe" - in the OT, the only people using sabers are two old men who haven't done it in 20 years who are way past their prime and a kid who's running more on instinct than training.  In the PT, you've got young, strong Jedis at the peak of their careers and physical fitness, so naturally they're going to be more energetic and creative in their fight styles.

 

I kinda disagree.  In the OT series, George Lucas and company researched Aikido, Kendo and other martial arts regarding sword handling and training and you can see it especially in the Obi-Wan/ Darth Vader fight.  In the Prequels, they're just twirling their sabres around like they're in a marching band.  No perry, attack, counter-attack - just the actors looking kinda bored swinging their swords around.

You know, kinda like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GJOVPjhXMY

Ady: do you plan on making an extended EMPIRE and JEDI?  I found some interesting cut footage right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJdV_ssgfrY&feature=related

DarthStewie said:

Thanks Ady... good to be back (though I never really left but skulked around).  Thanks for the iris suggestion as well.  Just a small note however, in case you missed the little thing I changed other than the wipes and sequence, I flipped and rotated the wampa's hand when he hits Luke. His "thumb" is now at the top of the screen instead at the bottom which makes it look as though he's hitting him with his left arm instead of a twisted backhand of his right arm.  Just a little nugget for thought but that's always bugged me since I was a kid and its nice to change it around for my own sake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw6mHFccFgo

Monroville... like Ady said, all the spinning stuff and whatnot are his.

I didn't realize.  Just wanted to make the point that it was really cool and should be a keeper.

I just changed the sequence, wipes and wampa hand. This is how it will look in my personal edit once Ady's through with his. I just don't have the technical talent he has. I've got an editor's eye but not so much a technician's brain. Ady has both.  Maybe once I'm done with school I'll know more about editing and the like.  My suggestion to you is if it is something minor like the spinning starfield, why don't you just cut and paste it into ady's edit when he's done? That's my plan anyway.  I like the spinning starfield and he's taking it out. Solution:::: put it back in.  It won't really change the hard effort he put in for color correction since it is such a quick scene in space. I'm thinking of even putting the green lasers on the AT-AT's because I like it A LOT.  I'll be reworking the Vader/Shuttle scene as to keep some but not all that in too.  If Ady fixes something that I think is done correctly or to my tastes, then it stays. If not, I'm gonna tweak that part just the way I've always wanted it.  I really don't care if I "release" my edits or not. These are for me as Ady's are for him.  This simple concept is forgotten all too often :::cough cough Kurgan cough cough::: That's just the nature of all this.  None of it belongs to us and as long as credit is given then I don't know of any fan editor that would mind that their edit is tweaked to someone else's liking.

I perfectly understand.  In fact, I mentioned exactly that about 50 some odd posts ago.  Due to the power of technology, we can all do fan edits of fan edits essentially.  Better still, if we see something on fanedit.org that we like, we can do things like take the blu-ray version of say PEARL HARBOR, use the PEARL HARBOR: STRENGTH AND HONOR edition dvd as a reference, and then edit the blu-ray quality movie onto BD-R for viewing enjoyment!  I plan on doing the same for KILLER HORIZON, which turned a pretty meh movie into a pretty HOLY SHIITE MUSLIM! movie.

I also agree that I am in a "let's just see what Ady has planned for us".  It's good to hear you like the AT-AT green laser idea too (maybe I can start messing with my Sony Vegas and get ahold of Adobe After Effects and we can collaborate), so who knows!  As long as credit is given where credit is due and no profiting on the copyrighted material, then it should all be good.

And again, really love that Hoth opening you made.. maybe you could make a version 2 with the reverse Iris Ady talked about (and 2.35:1 the image, since its kinda squished)?

Okay, this is more ROTJ stuff, but here are some links to check out:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_kick

(I'm taking it that this will be dealt with... personally?)

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Narm/Film

Sorry, but this stuff was just too funny to pass up.

adywan said:

The spinning starfield is going to go, i'm afraid. It happens in ANH & ESB only. It was gone in ANH:R and i will be doing the same for the one time it appears for ESB:R

that is a bummer, man! (to quote The Dude)

Would you consider having the stars do the streaky thing at least?  I just find the non-spinning, non-anything with the stars do not give the appropriate indication that said MF is moving really, really fast.

Monroville, the footage used in that youtube clip by Darth Stewie (good to see you back by the way stewie)  is all from ESB:R.

Didn't realize it was already changed (it's been awhile since I've seen EMPIRE).  That is not a bummer.

DarthStewie said:

though). I've already done a few modifications to ANH:R and I'll do it again to ESB:R because I like certain things that others do not.

Anyway, here's my clip from a long time ago that a lot of you new guys haven't seen. PLEASE..... TURN YOUR SOUND DOWN!!!! I didn't edit the audio because my computer has a F'd up virus and won't let me! It ruins the whole idea if you don't TURN DOWN THOSE SPEAKERS. Let me know what you guys think. I think it solves the whole 2 probes or 1 probe different timeframe issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw6mHFccFgo

 

So what changes have you done to your ANH:R? 

I think the only things that I would change would be to take the "sad" music out of the slo-mo Obi-Wan robe falling scene (to act as a buffer for the climactic music and the "Luke in shock" music; as it is, it all kind of crashes into one another) and replace the EMPIRE march during the TIE reveal in the Last Battle to something more ANH sounding and faster paced (which I plan on doing once I figure out Vegas and some other editing programs).  Otherwise, ANH:R is pretty much what I will be putting into the PS3 from now on (looks FANTASTIC on my 65" Toshiba).

PS: I LOVE your opening EMPIRE edit, including the scene wipes.  They all move according to the movement(s) on screen, which is what a good transition is supposed to do.  I also love how it takes awhile for the Probot to come out of the hole - keeps the audience guessing as to what is going to come out, or what will "whatever it is" look like.  Maybe something else you could add is a sonic boom as the probot pod is coming through the atmosphere (right before Luke pulls out the binocs).

And being that you are talking about a "revised" revised EMPIRE, how do you feel about green AT-AT lasers (sorry everybody, I had to get that in there)?