Monroville

STAR WARS fans... (sheesh!)

As a suggestion for Ady (to actually bring it back on subject), when you do the reshoot on the Wampa scene(s) (no doubt specifically the one where the Wampa rushes up on Luke right when he frees himself from the cave ceiling), maybe you could have the new Wampa costume/puppet pull its right arm back and end the shot in mid-swing, so when you go to the next cut showing Luke swing his lightsabre (and the following scene showing the Wampa arm fall onto the ground) it would give the impression that Luke is cutting the Wampa's arm off as it is swinging towards him.

Siliconmaster482 said:

I'm not sure if you've seen the blu ray release yet, but my god it looks beautiful. Makes every previous release look like it was at 50% brightness, and it even has the cocoon scene inserted at full quality into the movie. If you're still working on this edit, I highly recommend you find a way to use that footage as a base.

That was always the intent... I will be using the ALIEN theatrical cut on the blu-ray as the base.

One thing that I was really tense over was those scenes I mentioned earlier regarding the last ALIEN dvd release (concerning the "Brett looking for Jonesy in the cargo room" and most of the Alien scenes - the prior had a copper wash over the entire image and most if not all of the Alien scenes had a desaturated blue wash over the image). 

Thankfully, Ridley must have reconsidered these changes, as the copper and blue tints are gone, and ALIEN looks proper with a natural color timing.

Personally, if one was to do the plot to assassinate Hitler/Palpatine, why would a Death Star even be necessary?  Such things weren't necessary in WW2; if JEDI is in essence a "men on a mission" movie anyways, why not make it one?

Granted, the hardest part would be replacing Endor with cityscapes (though that could be where the Prequels come into play as offering plenty of background scenery).  Also, there is nothing saying that the Ewoks and the forest couldn't exist outside the city - we are talking about an entire planet here.

I would have to watch JEDI again to really listen to the dialogue, but this is definitely an interesting idea to see if it could be plotted out.

Ripplin said:

Imagine if it had stayed on when Obi-Wan died. His robes probably would've caught fire when the lit saber fell on them. :p One could almost make a version where it does that and when Vader pokes the robes with his foot, he's actually putting out the fire. Haha...oy.

Oh, um...ESB:R is cool.

Yes, and then Vader's cape catches on fire, and as Luke shoots the door control and everyone is getting onboard the Falcon, Vader is catching on fire and frantically trying to put himself out.  Meanwhile, the stormtroopers try to put Vader out, only to realize just how easy plastic melts, much less the acrylic undergarments underneath.

Later, everyone on Yavin 4 is wondering: "Shouldn't the Death Star be here by now?"  Whereupon an edit later and the DS is the Towering Inferno.

EyeShotFirst said:

It isn't like he is buying beer and hookers with your money guys, he is using it for the project.

You know, after all the crap Ady has been going through, maybe he SHOULD have a "Beer and Hookers" donation account.

I say after JEDI:R (or after ARSE) we set up a "vacation for Ady account" so he can at least take a week off with the wife (and/or kids) that is STAR WARS free.

Ripplin: but would that even be a part of his training?  Can you imagine Yoda saying something like:

Yoda: "Your weapons.. you will not need them.."
Luke puts them on anyways
Yoda: "(sigh) But if you are going to take your weapons, just remember that if your hand is chopped off, you must concentrate to keep your sabre activated."
Luke: "What was that last part?!?"

I think it's one of those things where a lightsabre is only on if the user has his/her finger on the activation button.  Thus, once one takes their finger off the button, it automatically deactivates (or in this case, their entire hand).

Granted, in JEDI Vader throws his lightsabre at Luke up on the walkway and the sabre stays activated when it knocks the walkway down (and Luke with it).  One can say that a Force user can use the Force to keep the button pressed down to allow the throwing of an active lightsabre, but that would require at least a small bit of concentration.  When one is getting their hand chopped off, it's probably a bit hard to concentrate on anything.

Not to keep this off-topic, but in regards to the (shudder) Prequels, the biggest problem is the script and the acting.  Everything else you can edit around: Jar-Jar edited down and/or having a different voice and even different lines.. same with all of the non-human characters.  But the human characters are just as wooden, if not more so, since they do not have the excuse of being fabricated and operated by 10 or more people.

Short of even dubbing in most if not all of the human characters with voice actors, you still have to deal with the same insipid dialogue.

Maybe he can pull it off... you have some really talented anime voice actors/actresses that do some fantastic voice-over work.  Maybe just having some better voices to say the same dialogue could improve things alone.  Regardless, if Ady needs an aspirin account, I'll have some money ready to go.

Don't forget the idea someone (Vaderios?) had to make the ANH Falcon interiors have the same color scheme as they do in EMPIRE.

I guess that is what it comes down to.

Kenobius Prime: ARE you going to give Ady at least the amount his bank charged him for overdrawing his account?  I think that is the only thing that could possibly keep you here, since you've done more than just write some cuss words, but cost someone close to $50 to $80 right when his dad gets cancer. At Christmas.

Has someone notified Moth3r and Jay about this?

Cantina Scene said:

adywan said:

Cantina Scene said:

Fwiw the star field should not move by in the background like it does, as if it's a landscape passing by.

Which part are you talking about?

 

I'm thinking of the Death Star battle at the end, when they often show side views of the cockpit with stars racing by like pinpricks in a curtain. I should clarify this isn't a request or me attempting to point out an error. It just bugs me because I think it looks kind of silly.

I probably should have just kept quiet, it's really a pet peeve of mine. 

While technically/scientifically you are right, I think this was done for the visual aspect of establishing the speed of the spacecraft.  STAR WARS (fantasy film or not) is primarily about pulling one in emotionally through the visuals.. hence the star field spinning when the Falcon jumps to hyperspace.  Scientifically it would mean the Star Destroyer crew would see the Falcon corkscrew away, which would look quite silly from their perspective.  From OURS though, it gives a sense of vertigo (like those tunnels in the fun houses on Halloween), which is the visual/emotional point of its use.

Adywan said:
A 720p HD version will be coming out around 2016 after ROTJ:R is finished.

There will be some differences because i can't recreate it 100% faithfully but it will be as close as possible. But i won't be taking any suggestions for changes/ fixes for the HD version

I know, I know... but that probably won't stop a few from showing up here and there...

As a suggestion (please don't hit me), I would maybe add a bit of subtlety.  Someone had the idea of using the orchestral version of the ROTS music during the Ben and Vader scene, and I still think the EMPIRE dirge is out of place for the TIE reveal (ie.could use something faster, more ANH sounding)

buuut....

2016 is a long way off, and there will be plenty of things to do during the wait.  Overall, what we have still has pretty fantastic PQ.  Regardless, it will be interesting to see what slight tweaks may be in store when it comes out...

Warbler said:

Monroville said:

Warbler said:

I wonder how some of the older 3D movies would look on 3D BD?

I think there are quite a few older movies that would be spectacular in 3D:

SOUND OF MUSIC
HOW THE WEST WAS WON (imagine the smile box version in 3D on a 65" HDTV)
JAWS (or any Spielberg movie for that matter... even DUEL)
BEN HUR
ROAD WARRIOR

Hell, even older Disney animated works would be interesting to see in 3D (and being animated, it should be a lot easier than converting live action material).

I was referring to older movies that were originally made in 3D,  not somehow making 3D versions of older movies that were originally made in 2D.    Movies that were originally made in 2D should be left that way. 

 Can't say I agree there... would still like to see the above titles in 3D... and whether anyone likes it or not, once the tech is perfected, expect to see the above released in a 3D format.

And as far as previous 3D stuff (the red and blue version) converted to the newer 3D process... not sure if it would make those movies any better, since most of them were pretty gimmicky.

I mean, would COMIN' AT YA! really improve in quality as a movie if the 3D was better?  Or TREASURE OF THE 4 CROWNS?

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My thing is it would make sense that there would be an airlock of a sort attached to the entrance of Vader's chamber, due to his medical condition.  You could say that the meditation pod would serve that function, but being that it is wide open with Vader helmet-less (to provide Piett and the audience a gross Vader head shot), it kind of defeats that purpose.

I would consider the "doing it because you can" to be near a frivolous change with no logical merit (not that adding something of yourself is off-limits, as one of the purposes of fan edits is to be creative and add a bit of yourself to the movie... especially considering that most of us won't have a chance at directing movies, much less big-budget ones).

One could consider the planet the DS1 orbits in ANH:R to be a DIBYC, but it also helps establish consistency with JEDI as well as help showcase the presence of the Empire as an expansive force.

Regardless of what is added or subtracted, the main considerations are:

(1) does it help the flow of the storytelling (edits, visuals, etc)
(2) does it make logical sense (the side of the Executor being darkened and the windows being brighter and bluer to match continuity with the other model shots)

Bingowings said:

I might give it a go at a later date as some of the materials I'm working with on my project cross over into the same sort of ground.

Similarly I might do a reworking of Dracula Dead And Loving It more in the visual vein of Young Frankenstein (I can't do much about the crap jokes but it would be nice to tart up a Les performance seeing as we recently lost the guy).

 Good to hear that about DRACULA.

Shame about DEAD AND LOVING IT sucking as much as it does... I think the only jokes that worked for me (as in actually made me laugh) was the "stake through the heart" scene and Dracula's dream/nightmare. 

Here is another mock-up as far as the general gist of my direction:



Now I'm not saying you would necessarily see the "Piett door", much less have it OPEN when Vader is talking to the Emperor... but the mock-up (as sloppy as it is) is to create the overall impression of what could be done to indicate the meditation room as connected to the holo room.

I guess a couple of points to bring up too:

(1) will the holo room walls be toned to grey to match the meditation room wall colors?
(2) will there be anything coming out of the "red lights" on the posts to indicate the hologram projector(s) (nothing as harsh as say when R2 projects a hologram, but maybe have the red lights turn brighter blue and flicker a bit - even if there is no hint of a projector beam - just to show that the holo-room is on and active).

I can also understand if any of that (regarding the hologram projector beams/lights) would cause distraction, as the main point of the scene is the conversation not the FX.

Angel: actually, I was the one who offered the elevator idea.  Here is my mock-up (I think it was me.. maybe we had the same idea... damn old age):



Frankly, this would be the simplest thing to do, as it could place the room anywhere on the Executor (far away or near the bridge), give Vader an airlock/privacy and wouldn't involve creating any extensive FX work (okay, a TON of FX work). 

The door behind Piett could be shown closing as the doorway he is in now opens, or there could be a slight lag whereupon the white light panels on either side of Piett give a slight glow of red and turn green.. then the doors open and Piett comes in (indicating the airlock is sealed on the other side and/or Piett has been decontaminated).

Ripplin said:

I like the idea of the entrance to the meditation room either being guarded or extended (like in vaderios' old mock-up) being brought up again. Makes sense that it would be more secluded, not open so that every no-name Imperial noob could see Vader in his big black egg as they walk by, especially if he has his helmet off.

 Or at least another set of doors behind Piett to serve as an airlock... Vader is in that suit for a reason, and to have one set of doors where everyone's germs can get in and infect him (being that the pod was open for Piett to see his knarly head BEFORE the helmet was lowered and re-attached to his suit) wouldn't serve a Sith Lord too well if the one thing that killed him was the common flu.

Imp Fighter: I think the biggest problem would be the timing/editing of the shot, ie. will the edit come across as a jump cut with Vader just "appearing" on the pedestal (and miss the flow of showing Vader coming down the chamber steps and then onto the pedestal)?

While I understand you're trying to figure out how to make it so it appears Vader just entered the room and went straight for the giant "Emperor pager button", my main concern would be how it comes across visually.

I have to concur with Vaderios too in regards to the area behind Piett and Veers.  The chamber has to be a figure 8 if you take into account the profile shot of Vader talking to the Emperor



- the walls around Vader show Vader to be on the edge of the circular wall, not somewhere within the middle of a much larger room.  This would mean that the meditation chamber would have to be to Vader's left, which can only mean that it is in a seperate room.  This would also mean that the area behind Piett and Veers has to be altered to suggest an opening into the hologram room).

I suspect what they did was some typical cost-saving set manipulation (like how Ridley took the Nostromo bridge set, as well as some of the hallways, and converted it for the entire Narcissus section - the bridge turned into the shuttle and the outer hallways redecorated, ie. the Narcissus airlock was originally the kitchen).  In this case, the above set is probably the same set the meditation chamber was in, but they removed it to create an empty room.  But like with ALIEN, this causes problems when the nerds (like us) try to fit it all together... 

If there is to be any sort of geographical sense of this, the area behind Vader would have to be altered to create an opening to the meditation chamber - the mediation chamber steps wouldn't need to be shown, as the foreground wall beside Vader could conceiveably cover them (though an opening would still have to be created).

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It would have to be along these lines:




either the area behind Vader has to be recreated to show the meditation chamber room (being that the pedestal he kneels on is about ONE FOOT away from the bottom circular step to his med chamber),



as we should be able to see the edge of the step behind Vader's extended leg, or:



Vader has to be pushed back towards the edge of the wall to account for NOT seeing any part of the med chamber steps, much less the room that surrounds it.  You would also have to add some sort of light source (on the airbrushed wall area above and behind Vader) or light "back wash" from the med chamber to help indicate the presence of another room and opening.

That is, if this really needs to be done... personally, I can see it left "as-is", with maybe some lighting backwash from the left area (to account for the med chamber being more brightly lit than the hologram chamber) and the area between the 2 columns behind Vader to indicate something of an opening.

That's a shame... would have been interesting to see..

Anyone else thinking of picking up where Boost leaves off?

Sounds good.. do you have any images?  If you don't see this, I'll PM within the next few days.

Also, apparently there is a full 3-D CGI version of the Halcyon model on Deviant Art.. if someone has the link to the full model, let me know as well...

What the Hell?!?  EYE SHOT FIRST got banned?  How did that happen?  It's not like he's been Janskeeting the forum or anything...

Bingowings said:

Having recently spent many snowy evenings watching the sun sink fast, I've noticed the light conditions do resemble those of the otherwise awful DVD version of the Hoth scenes.

While I'm loving the the fresh tint free snows of ESB:R another editor might like to employ intelligent blue shifting to the tint free evening shots (maybe making the blue shift more notable as the evening came on) for the scenes after the ice-cave.

It shouldn't be just a blanket tint though as I'm sure area illuminated by Luke's light saber would appear brighter and maybe a different hue of blue than the general location.

It would also make the bright white snow of the morning after really stand out.

Which would make sense, being that snow is made of the same water that is in the atmosphere, which helps (along with the nitrogen and oxygen) to give the sky it's blue color to begin with (due to light refracting off of the N, H and O molecules).  In a duskish setting, ambient light is going to be refracted from the snow, which is going to refract the same light wavelength as the sky itself on a clear day for the same exact reasons.

A few other frigate ideas/points/whatnot:

(1)


will the frigate engines be changed to have a similar blue glow per the transport and Star Destroyers (or an orange one, or even a more pure white)?  As it is, the engine glow is pretty pekid.

(2)


should the window be modified ie. lit up more to better match the interior lighting, as well as how the window looks in the first pan from the Falcon to it (as seen in my previous post)?



May want to also check ship hull colors to make sure they retain consistent coloring (as the prior pre-mod shot frigate hull is brown-grey).  Could also consider creating a 3D model of the basic room, whereupon you could overlay the floor, ceiling and walls (kind of how James Cameron took photos of buildings and then glued them onto cardboard cut-outs for the buildings in ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK - yes, those buildings Snake Plissken flies over in his glider are cardboard boxes with photos on them), and the figures would be imposed on 3D stick figures within the 3D room to give some depth to the window image.  As it stands now, it looks very much like a photo projection (and thus, very flat).

Bingowings said:

It might be possible to build a small model of the section of the interior of the medical frigate seen from those angles (enough to get the lighting and a bit of the floor right) and drop it into the shots where the lights are out.

From those angles you wouldn't see much anyway but if you followed the general sweep of the model it could slip in nicely.

Something else to keep in mind as well: the inner window is not completely parallel to the outer one, as seen in this shot:



Thus, you may not be able to see into the medical bay at this angle (though it may still be lit up a bit more from the ambient light coming from inside the medical bay room).

EDIT: never mind; after looking at a much bigger version of the frigate shot above, it is clear that you would indeed see inside the medical bay, as highlighted here:



you have some really good 3D artists over at DeviantArt.com that could take the wall in the close-up window shot (#2 above), apply it to a 3D model, create a floor and roto it to the window above.  The camera focuses in on the Falcon, so you would not need anything hyper-detailed - just enough to light the window up and add some inner detail.

Warbler said:

I wonder how some of the older 3D movies would look on 3D BD?

I think there are quite a few older movies that would be spectacular in 3D:

SOUND OF MUSIC
HOW THE WEST WAS WON (imagine the smile box version in 3D on a 65" HDTV)
JAWS (or any Spielberg movie for that matter... even DUEL)
BEN HUR
ROAD WARRIOR

Hell, even older Disney animated works would be interesting to see in 3D (and being animated, it should be a lot easier than converting live action material).

I look forward to the expansion of improving virtual reality to the point where we no longer need to go outside and interact with the world and then find ourselves plugged into the matrix....

wait a minute...