Monroville

I'll pester RedLetterMedia on the Emp and Yoda voice work.  I wouldn't think he'd have an issue with giving some quality voice work to movies making fun of the Prequels, considering his glowing reviews of them.

ImperialFighter said:

Monroville, although I quite liked darth_ender's possible explanation HERE of how Luke managed to be 'sucked into' the side from the middle of the wide chasm, your theory of Vader using the 'Force' to steer him over is interesting too.  

But I've finally settled on this alternative notion now  -

Since Luke has had some 'Force' training by this point, I guess he might have been able to 'influence' his trajectory mid-fall towards the 'vents' himself ..

It's not a big deal, as it's more a "using your own imagination to explain a little thing".   I felt Vader was possibly giving him a push, as it was his son and he wanted him alive.  Luke, on the other hand, was committing suicide... so regardless of him having the power to push himself to one of the vents, I don't think he would have done it, as the whole point of allowing himself to fall was to keep himself from Vader and the Emperor (think of the music John Williams used when Luke takes the plunge, and how Luke was NOT screaming when falling.  People tend to AHHHHH! when they fall when it's unintentional.  Luke intended to fall [to his death], so no AHHHH!).

Regardless, whatever makes one comfortable with the scene is all that matters.. you know... as opposed to refilming the entire shot with a stunt double.

Or you can just look for:

Warlock 1989 720p HDTV DD5 1 x264 CRiSC

Which is something I've noticed... it is the same in regards to the recent release of SCANNERS on blu-ray in Germany as compared to the MGM-HD HDTV release.  The German blu looks like a bad DVD upconvert, whereas the MGM-HD version is crystal clear (to the point that I never knew blood was shooting out of Cameron's veins during the final psychic fight at the end).

I always felt that Vader gave Luke a nudge towards the vents, which then pulled him in once he got close enough (as that initial scene with Luke tumbling towards the vents looks too awkward for him to be naturally sucked in, not to mention it fit with Vader wanting his son to live).

Even so, I always figured Luke was under the "dish" of Cloud City, which brings us to this image:

I think the problem is the perspective of the central shaft, which should be MUCH wider at the top right, considering that Luke would not be that far away from it (the best Luke would have traveled through the tube before being ejected couldn't have been more than a football field length), not to mention that the central shaft would be as wide as a small city.

Also, regardless of flipping or altering the shot of Luke's first entry into the airshafts, should the walls be darker and the lights given any kind of FX to better match it's appearance in the farther perspective shot?:

Okay, it matches better than I first thought, but you get the idea...

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

How about at the end of ROTJ, when Anakin's mask is off, he says "Yessss!!"

You mean like this?:

YES MAN, starring Darth Vader

Lum the Insatiable said:

 

I think Darth Vader should yell "Nooooooooooooooooo" a lot in the OT.

The Death Star blows up.  Vader in his spiraling fighter:   "NOoooooooooooo!"

Millennium Falcon jumps to warp, just escaping the Empire's grasp off Bespin:  "Nooooooooooo!"

Vader can't find Obiwan's body after the killing blow.   "Noooooooooooooo!"

Luke lets go and falls down the chute at Cloud City, foiling Vader's plan to convert him to evil.  "Nooooooooooooo!"

Tarkin orders Vader to stop choking Ozzel.   Would our antihero really say "As you wish"?  On the contrary:  "Nooooooooooooooooooooo!"

I think this would be fairly easy to do, as opposed to a lot of the other ideas on here.  C'mon guys, what are the worst edit ideas that could actually be done?

Angel said:

The executor pic has a small mask error when the planet's glow meets executor. Its a small part but i think its an easy fix :)

The ties are gray again. I can take it that its an old screencap.

I personally wish Ady would go back to the grey TIEs.  Be it consistency with ANH or just that (for me) I like the grey look better than the blue (which to me makes them look more like models).  I never felt the TIEs in the Empire fleet reveal or the intro to the asteroid sequence "blended in" with the brownish-grey Star Destroyers, as they never were overlapping one another (with the exception of the first intro shot with the Falcon in the foreground and the SD directly behind it). 

Great updates.

-Angel

I concur!

Yeah, but you don't even need the skull.  If Luke can use the force to lift his lightsabre out of the snow and into his hand, he can use the force to press a button on a control panel.

Also keep in mind that as a second-level beginner, he "almost" lifted an entire X-wing out of a swamp.  Didn't quite make it, but if a beginner can still move a multiple ton object, then what can a near master do?

Keep in mind Vader doesn't throw anything at the carbonite control lever when Luke falls into the carbonite pit (so if Vader is shown flipping a switch with the force, can't Luke do it after a few years of practice?).

I could see deleting the rock/skull/whatever, show Luke pointing at the door with a nice "green to red" or just set of light switches to indicate it's closing, and then show the door closing at an increased rate of speed (slow at first, then speeding up and slamming down on the Rancor's head).  Even implying Luke is not even activating the switch, but using the force to bring the door down would add to Luke's cred as a near-master.

Maybe it's

a Haiku?

Also keep in mind guys that the Sith eyes were already established with Ian McDiarmid's make-up:

Sepharih said:

That's fine, but at what point can we suspend our disbelief to think that Luke would actually turn to the darkside here?  If one moment of weakness and anger is truly enough to cause a complete and total fall to darkness without any other motivation for our main character it makes the story feel extremely shallow to me.

Well, remember what Yoda says in EMPIRE (I believe)... the Dark Side is not stronger, just easier.

The whole point is not whether the Rebels or the Emperor wins; it has always been about a boy becoming a man.. everything else is just an elaborate smokescreen to make the real story a bit more exciting.

IE. it doesn't matter whether Luke joins/kills/becomes the Emperor.. it is all about losing oneself and becoming everything you hate and fear.  Hence, all it takes to join the Dark Side is to use what power you have to do evil things.. like kill people.

My overall problem with the scene is just the actual execution.  I could go either way with the Sith Eyes, but I always felt that simply being angry wouldn't give Luke the edge over Vader, especially after what we saw Vader was capable of in EMPIRE (which I think is the real point Sepharih and Teharri are making, is to simply SHOW how Luke is so much more powerful than Vader).

Has Luke developed and gotten stronger?  Yes... but JEDI is a mere 5 years MAX after EMPIRE... there is no way Vader would have gotten that weak in such a short period of time.

I always felt there needed to be something to visually show just how much power Luke was using, and have him ripping panels and pieces off the wall, hurtling them at Vader (to reflect Luke's position and defeat in EMPIRE).  You wouldn't need the "yellow eyes", but you do need something other than Mark Hamill wacking on Vader's lightsabre and then Vader taking a dive.

Even as a kid I felt let down... the moment David Prowse just got down ON HIS OWN and just let's Luke pummel him.. say what you want about anything, that was just terrible choreography (maybe edit out the actual kneeling down part, as well as maybe edit it so Luke is wacking at Vader's chest instead of his outstretched hand [with Vader's sabre turned inward to block multiple death blows... could have the sabre turn outward to signify Vader getting weaker, which is then when Luke cuts his hand off]?). 

Also, on the "Remember Alderaan" thing:

Maybe if one could find a group of people or one who can do a good Admiral Ackbar impersonation, you could have Ackbar say "For Alderaan!" in the shot looking over his shoulder at the fighters approaching the DS2 (so you can't see his mouth) and/or have all the fighter pilots do a follow-up Yo, Goe! "For Alderaan!" cheer/chant.

... or not... I'd have to watch that scene when they first zip up to the DS2 to see if and where it would (or could) fit...

Oops! That last one was supposed to be in the EMPIRE - JEDI WISHLIST thread (moving right now)...

You know, you could always get Red Letter Media to do your Palpatine dubbing... he does a really good Emperor.

Dusty old SIMPSON quotes aside, I can say that, as a nerd, I speak with experience on what is nerdy.

And I can't say I agree with any of that... to me, the whole point is hearing people doing voice work that, apart from Yoda and the Emperor, are doing a very good job emulating the actors they are dubbing, which to me is what makes it funny.  If you're going to go the route of having Yoda not sound like Yoda, why bother with sounding like the other actors?

Having Yoda sound like a young girl is something a random dude with a camcorder making a $100 horror movie would do.. it just comes across as too easy to do.  Or I guess to put it another way, it's something Jimmy Fallon would do.

I would either go the goofy route with all of them, or have all of them sound like their original selves as much as possible.

But, to quote someone far more famous than me: that's just me, I could be wrong.

(post moved to EMPIRE-JEDI WISHLIST thread)

I always imagined the SD "bridge" shot to be a viewscreen comparable to the one on the Death Star... so why not just modify the "window" area by cloning the DS viewscreen and imposing the outer space view over Alderaan or whatnot?  That way, it doesn't matter which direction the gun itself is facing (left/right or up/down), as the viewscreen could access any number of cameras located all over the SD hull.

In regards to the Krayt Dragon scream, here's my idea:

(1) keep the original scream.  The others are just goofy

(2) I can understand erasing Ben waving his arms around, as the scream is pretty scary, but a man flopping his arms in a loose fitting robe isn't.  So I say you could erase him so you have a scream coming from nothing (which WOULD be pretty scary) oooor if you HAVE to put a creature in there, keep it subtle to this degree:

If you look at the first image (Ben only), you will notice that the sun is behind the camera, and the shadow on the ground is coming from a hill behind us.  Why not have the shadow of a creature come over the hill, essentially filling in the area the robed man would be, so the Tuskens would think said Krayt Dragon is coming over the hill behind them?

Also (if Ady is reading this), maybe add a bit of an echo or stadium sound to the original Krayt Dragon scream, being that they are in a cavern (and it would sound GREAT on a 5.1 sound system).  You could even manipulate the directionality of the scream, so it starts out at a certain pitch far in the back (coming from the center channel speaker), and then grows louder as if something invisible is coming up on you (if you choose the "delete Ben only" option)... which would be a nice nod to FORBIDDEN PLANET, among other many nods... (meaning it would still fit with the original spirit of ANH and would be something one could see Lucas doing in 1977).

One more thing you could do regarding FP is add depressions into the ground and some animated rocks rolling down to the left, ie. footprints of an invisible beast as it approaches.

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It seems one thing no one really mentions is what can be done with the manipulation of sound.  Visual FX are obviously a straight-forward change, but what sound options could be utilized to either improve or add effect to the story telling process?

Things such as manipulating sound FX to be more directional (X-wing, MF, TIE fighter[s] etc moving from one side of the screen to the other in a more audibly dramatic way by taking the existing sound FX but increasing/decreasing the original sounds from one set of speakers to the other to really emphasize movement), or adding more background sound elements to things like the Cantina scene or ANH/EMPIRE rebel base scenes (layered in loudness to add depth to crowd scenes). 

Hearing speaking/conversations (nothing too loud) over our shoulders (in rear speakers) say during Luke's confrontation with the "wanted men" in the Cantina.

 During the Detention Block rescue, emphasizing the sound of the lasers to go over our shoulder and maybe add impact explosion sounds in the rear speakers.

And while slightly off topic, I just had to share these for you:

Are you sure you want to do that, Ady?  Have you watched that deleted clip and listened to both women?:

... looks like Youtube or the user deleted the posted clip.  If I can dig it up, I'll post a link.  Regardless, there is a reason why she was dubbed over (though I will say that some of the things Marquand has the Calamari pilot say is pretty hilarious).

Now I could see you redubbing her voice with another woman...

Sepharih said:

Monroville said:

Here's something that came to me the other day: considering in ANH Tarkin doesn't go after an actual threat (pirates, thugs, an actual military threat) but a peaceful world with no weapons JUST for the sake of demoralizing Princess Leia (well... it was her homeworld), would it be conceivable that it was Alderaan's destruction that really got the Rebellion going and (with Adobe and other FX programs) write "Remember Alderaan" on the side of some of the larger ships in the JEDI battle?

 

That would be a GREAT idea..........except for one problem.  Aurebesh.

True, but is Aurebesh the universal language in STAR WARS?  And wasn't there english text in ANH (the tractor beam console, etc)?  Anyways, just an idea.. maybe if the "Remember Alderaan" were done in an Aurebesh font (as opposed to Arial or Times New Roman)?

Here's something that came to me the other day: considering in ANH Tarkin doesn't go after an actual threat (pirates, thugs, an actual military threat) but a peaceful world with no weapons JUST for the sake of demoralizing Princess Leia (well... it was her homeworld), would it be conceivable that it was Alderaan's destruction that really got the Rebellion going and (with Adobe and other FX programs) write "Remember Alderaan" on the side of some of the larger ships in the JEDI battle?

On a side note, I would like to see the confrontation with Jar-Jarrod and the Emperor's guards included in the JEDI:R edit (maybe alter the hallways to look more like the 1st Death Star, or at least longer and better detailed as what stands looks a bit set-ish), if for no other reason that just to show the guards actually DO something (and show some menace.. much less that even Vader respects them).

Here's one suggestion he's got I concur with:

Stormtrooper accuracy

Why: The stormtroopers throughout the movie prove to be extremely inaccurate when shooting, which seems strange as they have the best weaponry and training the galaxy has to offer.

How: Include a shot where a stormtrooper hits Chewbacca, but not causing any injury because of the Wookiee natural physical strength. Have Chewie look down on his wound – his arm or lower torso or something – and give a growl, followed by him shooting the stormtrooper that hit him.

Why not have the Stormtrooper hit 3P0 and ricochet into the right wall, with Chewy turning around and hitting the Stormtrooper?  Even a little bit of accuracy would heighten the tension.

Well, the idea is not to make a distinction between ST and SW nerds, but to simply comment that the voicing of Yoda sounds like "a" nerd or 10 year old girl... as in it does not sound at all like Yoda.

I understand the voices can't be perfect, but considering the effort put into Padme, Obi-Wan, Anakin and the rest (which are pretty spot on to sounding close to almost exactly like the original actors) it just seems strange that the 2 one would think would be easier to immitate (the Emperor and Yoda) are by far the weakest voices on the dub.

Can anyone confirm if the Nelvana cartoon is indeed on the blu-ray set?

But the real thing about the borders on the Disney blu-rays is that at the least they put the time and effort to make it fill in the extra black areas and blend with the rest of the film (I rather like them).

This on the other hand, looks like it took a few minutes to slap together...